another old unknown pistol

[dozer dan]

engravered on the side is: PORTO and more that i cant make out. and 1779
i know theres a conflict with dates, but im pretty sure its "1779"

 

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[dozer dan]

and:

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Sweet gun

 

[shaun7]

nice!

 

[sniffer]

looks like Lewis and Clark style flintlock

 

[baspinall]

It looks like a Continental Army pistol. Is it 69 cal.? Although I think they had a brass plate on the butt of the handle.

Brian

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Porto Rico?

 

[dozer dan]

I'll try to get some better pics with the date and partial name.

 

[chipveres]

http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unidentified-flintlock-blunderbus-pistol-1-c-6s3d9aq3rt

seems to be a similar pistol. Maybe a reproduction or decoration?

Chip V.

 

[dozer dan]

there has never been a question as to its authenticity. only its exact age, maker and origin.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Porto Rico?

Porto = Oporto, PORTUGAL. 


Hence, "Port Wine"   "Porto." 

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Chipveres link shows an unidentified flintlock with PORTO 1800 markings at auction.. Too bad we cant see a better pic without signing in.

Description:
UNIDENTIFIED FLINTLOCK BLUNDERBUS PISTOL. Cal. 60. NSN. 8-1/2" rnd bbl. Marked "PORTO / 1800" at rear of lockplate with "JPR" monogram on lockplate in front of hammer. Remains of a proofmark are on upper left rear of bbl. Styling is English. Size of muzzle makes ramrod nonfunctional and there is no furniture at rear of stock. CONDITION: All metal shows signs of cleaning with some blue being added to bbl. Stock is also cleaned and re-oiled. 4-30442

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Dozer Dan - what are the initial under the crown? English military locks were marked "GR" for Fat George (Georgvs Rex) from 1760 to 1820 or so. The name on the tail of the sideplate is the lock maker. "Tower" was most common (Tower of London) but Grice, Ketland, and others pop up.

The serpentine plate opposit the lock doesn't look quite English, but that's just a personal opinion.

Also note - locks were sold seperately and often reused. It may or may not date the rest of the pistol.

 

[dozer dan]

Dozer Dan - what are the initial under the crown? English military locks were marked "GR" for Fat George (Georgvs Rex) from 1760 to 1820 or so. The name on the tail of the sideplate is the lock maker. "Tower" was most common (Tower of London) but Grice, Ketland, and others pop up.

The serpentine plate opposit the lock doesn't look quite English, but that's just a personal opinion.

Also note - locks were sold seperately and often reused. It may or may not date the rest of the pistol.

there are 2 side by side fancy scroll "RR"S below the crown

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

So all you have to do is figure out which country had a regent with a name beginning with "R" in 1779. We can rule out the United States, England, France, Spain, Prussia, the Holy Roman Empire (Germany) and Russia.

http://www.economicexpert.com/2a/List:of:state:leaders:in:1779.htm

Maybe one of the Italian states?

Queen Regina?

King Rupert?

 

[ivan salis]

rifle regiment? RR * english group of soldiers .

 

[dozer dan]

http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unidentified-flintlock-blunderbus-pistol-1-c-6s3d9aq3rt

seems to be a similar pistol. Maybe a reproduction or decoration?

Chip V.

TOP PISTOL: ANTIQUE


BOTTOM PISTOL: REPRO

no comparison.

 

[dozer dan]

these pics should show a little more detail:

 

[dozer dan]

well, is everyone thoroughly stumped?

 

[ivan salis]

no heres my thoughts -- foreign made (spanish) flintlock pistol carried by english troops (rifle regiment) thus the RR marking --1779 ish -- colonial war of independance time frame * -- taken as a "war prize" most likely by an american soldier