Beale Ciphers Have Been Cracked?

[treasure1822]

I would like to know why?

" I shall not only rejoice with them, but feel that I have at least accomplished something in contributing to the happiness of others." This is the "WHY"...The papers were written after 1843...The person who created "The Beale Papers" read one book that changed the view of all who read it...Charles Dickens, "A Christmas Carol"..."If that spirit goes not forth in life, it is condemned to do so after death. It is doomed to wander through the world—oh, woe is me!—and witness what it cannot share, but might have shared on earth, and turned to happiness!"... “Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!”...Matthew 6;1-4 "“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."...This person is looking for his own salvation from deeds in life...

 

[johnnyrev]

" I shall not only rejoice with them, but feel that I have at least accomplished something in contributing to the happiness of others." The pamphlet was published in 1885. And the author of this pamphlet is the one who made this statement, not Beale in 1822.

 

[treasure1822]

" I shall not only rejoice with them, but feel that I have at least accomplished something in contributing to the happiness of others." The pamphlet was published in 1885. And the author of this pamphlet is the one who made this statement, not Beale in 1822.

" I shall not only rejoice with them, but feel that I have at least accomplished something in contributing to the happiness of others." The pamphlet was published in 1885. And the author of this pamphlet is the one who made this statement, not Beale in 1822.

Tell me this then how did the author make the same mistake in numbering the DOI without noting this to his readers? That's a BIG find...

 

[johnnyrev]

Tell me this then how did the author make the same mistake in numbering the DOI without noting this to his readers? That's a BIG find...

Please provide a specific example of the item you are having difficulty understanding.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Can you share specific examples of the 'word salads' or claims you're referring to? I'm curious to understand your perspective.

Post #77 is a good example.

Nothing factual, just immaterial statements.

Hoping that those here who have made claims of solving the codes can produce their findings along with treasure.

Otherwise as Franklin previously stated, it all fiction.

 

[johnnyrev]

Post #77 is a good example.

Nothing factual, just immaterial statements.

Hoping that those here who have made claims of solving the codes can produce their findings along with treasure.

Otherwise as Franklin previously stated, it all fiction.

Isn't Franklin one of the few who claimed he decoded the ciphers? There are copies of his decoding online!

 

[treasure1822]

Please provide a specific example of the item you are having difficulty understanding.

I'm not having trouble...how can Beale and the mystery Author makes the same mistake in numbering the DOI? The numbers 480 thru 489 were used twice. The author did not receive a numbered copy of the DOI so he had to make the same mistake. If he had realized the error you think he would have noted it in the papers...try decoding the second cipher without knowing this...

 

[chalkoutline]

I'm not having trouble...how can Beale and the mystery Author makes the same mistake in numbering the DOI? The numbers 480 thru 489 were used twice. The author did not receive a numbered copy of the DOI so he had to make the same mistake. If he had realized the error you think he would have noted it in the papers...try decoding the second cipher without knowing this...

Another way to account for this 10 word mistake is...
The books of the era averaged 10 words per line. If Beale used a book such as "the Constitutions of the United States" published in 1820, the Declaration of Independence is the first document.

Since there is no room above the words in the book to number them, TB would have copied the DOI to a separate paper leaving room to number them.
In the process of coping he could have simply skipped a 10 word line by accident around 480.
This also explains the three other single words skipped at 245, 625 and 668.

Keeping with your thought, how could the unknown author skip the exact same 3 words and line as TB did about 1820.

 

[chalkoutline]

Another way to account for this 10 word mistake is...
The books of the era averaged 10 words per line. If Beale used a book such as "the Constitutions of the United States" published in 1820, the Declaration of Independence is the first document.

Since there is no room above the words in the book to number them, TB would have copied the DOI to a separate paper leaving room to number them.
In the process of coping he could have simply skipped a 10 word line by accident around 480.
This also explains the three other single words skipped at 245, 625 and 668.

Keeping with your thought, how could the unknown author skip the exact same 3 words and line as TB did about 1820.

BTW, the last Beale Decoder i posted has two versions of the DOI: the original 1820 book version and the corrected version. By switching back and forth you can see the difference.

 

[treasure1822]

Another way to account for this 10 word mistake is...
The books of the era averaged 10 words per line. If Beale used a book such as "the Constitutions of the United States" published in 1820, the Declaration of Independence is the first document.

Since there is no room above the words in the book to number them, TB would have copied the DOI to a separate paper leaving room to number them.
In the process of coping he could have simply skipped a 10 word line by accident around 480.
This also explains the three other single words skipped at 245, 625 and 668.

Keeping with your thought, how could the unknown author skip the exact same 3 words and line as TB did about 1820.

Exactly! One thought comes to mind...the only one that makes sence...the one thing that allowed me to find the key...

 

[chalkoutline]

Exactly! One thought comes to mind...the only one that makes sence...the one thing that allowed me to find the key...

What comes to mind for me must not be same as what comes to mind for you....
because what comes to mind for me is they both couldn't have skipped the same words so Cipher 2 had to be created by the unknown author and not TB in 1820.

 

[chalkoutline]

What comes to mind for me must not be same as what comes to mind for you....
because what comes to mind for me is they both couldn't have skipped the same words so Cipher 2 had to be created by the unknown author and not TB in 1820.

But then again, all that matters is what comes to mind for you since you found the key.

 

[johnnyrev]

I'm not having trouble...how can Beale and the mystery Author makes the same mistake in numbering the DOI? The numbers 480 thru 489 were used twice. The author did not receive a numbered copy of the DOI so he had to make the same mistake. If he had realized the error you think he would have noted it in the papers...try decoding the second cipher without knowing this...

You are saying that the mistakes Beale made in 20% of the decoded text of #2 were because of a 10-digit leap made by Beale?

 

[TruthbeTold]

Isn't Franklin one of the few who claimed he decoded the ciphers? There are copies of his decoding online!

Yep. Then he stated the codes were fiction (most already know that).

 

[chalkoutline]

You are saying that the mistakes Beale made in 20% of the decoded text of #2 were because of a 10-digit leap made by Beale?

When i sequentially numbered the DOI found in the book "the Constitutions of the United States" published in 1820, I found like you, 80% of the letters were correct and 20% of the letters in the Cipher 2 message were incorrect.

I had to shift the numbering of the DOI to the right at various points when numbering the document.

When i dug deeper, I attributed this "right shift" to skipped words when TB copied the DOI to a separate sheet of paper for numbering. It appears he skipped
"Forms" located at 245
"The people he has refused for a long time after" located from 480 to 489
"Officers" located at 625
"Has" located at 668

Once you sequentially number the DOI without including these words, 97% of the letters of the Cipher 2 message will be correct.

In order to reach 100% you need to make word 811 a "Y" and word 1005 an "X" because the DOI doesn't have words starting with X and Y yet TB used words such as countY and eXcavation in the Cipher 2 message.

But you already knew all this.

 

[chalkoutline]

When i sequentially numbered the DOI found in the book "the Constitutions of the United States" published in 1820, I found like you, 80% of the letters were correct and 20% of the letters in the Cipher 2 message were incorrect.

I had to shift the numbering of the DOI to the right at various points when numbering the document.

When i dug deeper, I attributed this "right shift" to skipped words when TB copied the DOI to a separate sheet of paper for numbering. It appears he skipped
"Forms" located at 245
"The people he has refused for a long time after" located from 480 to 489
"Officers" located at 625
"Has" located at 668

Once you sequentially number the DOI without including these words, 97% of the letters of the Cipher 2 message will be correct.

In order to reach 100% you need to make word 811 a "Y" and word 1005 an "X" because the DOI doesn't have words starting with X and Y yet TB used words such as countY and eXcavation in the Cipher 2 message.

But you already knew all this.

BTW, when the unamed author numbered the DOI in the 1885 pamphlet, he took the skipped words into account so the reader could get a readable message without any trouble...except for the X and Y.

 

[chalkoutline]

BTW, when the unamed author numbered the DOI in the 1885 pamphlet, he took the skipped words into account so the reader could get a readable message without any trouble...except for the X and Y.

When you use the "KEY" created by "skipping words" when sequentially numbering the DOI on Cipher 1, you will see the alphabetical strings in the Cipher 1 message. Otherwise you won't see the strings.

 

[treasure1822]

You are saying that the mistakes Beale made in 20% of the decoded text of #2 were because of a 10-digit leap made by Beale?

Nope...i'm saying the errors were due to a person with a basic knowledge of coding not proofing his work. I am also saying that two people separated by 20 to 30 years can not make the identical errors...

 

[treasure1822]

Yep. Then he stated the codes were fiction (most already know that).

no they are very real and do hold a treasure.

 

[chalkoutline]

Nope...i'm saying the errors were due to a person with a basic knowledge of coding not proofing his work. I am also saying that two people separated by 20 to 30 years can not make the identical errors...

Nope...i'm saying the errors were due to a person with a basic knowledge of coding not proofing his work. I am also saying that two people separated by 20 to 30 years can not make the identical errors...

The DOI contains 1312 words. The Cipher 2 message is 763 letters long consisting of 180 different letters.

So the Key TB left in St Louis would have been a list of the 180 cipher numbers used in the Cipher 2 message along with which letter is assigned to each number.

It didn't matter whether TB made a mistake because the numbered DOI wasn't the final product. The KEY with 180 Cipher numbers was thus hiding any mistakes.

If anything, the mistakes made it harder to decode Cipher 2.