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Yep, that's what I thought you were shoveling!
Beale Ciphers Have Been Cracked?
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It was named for the fur stashes, known in French as Caches, not an English word! Right? LOL How did you Improvise that in a Stampeed?[The territorial legislature created a large Cache County in 1856. Eight years later, the legislators split off the eastern part of the county to form Richland (now Rich) County.]
Cache County
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What?
Are you declaring Cache was or wasn't used before 65 after I show you multiple reference's to it having been used?
I loaned Russells works out and thier long gone so I won't look for his mention for associations sake. But go ahead. You can find it if you look. (No Osborn wasn't promoting French or writing in French.)
Journal of a Trapper, by Osborne Russell
Nine years residence among the Rocky Mountains between the years of 1834 and 1843 -- Comprising a general description of the country, climate, rivers, lakes, mountains, etc., the nature and habits of animals, manners and customs of Indians and a complete view of the life led by a hunter in those...
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[Did you know the words Cache, Obscure, Underground, Concealment, Code, Cipher, were not used before 1865?]
What that has to do with stampede or cache escapes me.
By the time the Beale papers first printing in 1885 there were likely multiple new words used. Stampede reads better than we were faced with an active herd of wild cows.
After all the papers were for profit. Not as a cautionary tale.
Well except for the warning about attempts to decipher being a waste.
There are an easy dozen Bible versions.
And theology amid translations.
When not quoting gospel; who cares if You and thou are interchanged? It's still an old account. Merely a translated version of an account.
Who claims Beale wasn't translated for the sake of rural folks troubles of handing over some coin in exchange?
Beale . Cache. French. Oh my!
My stars!
Beales being handsome was distinctly noted (in English.) His complexion may have been noted even. Almost as if deliberately ehh? Can't say you read that much elsewhere. Would have been an eyebrow raiser in an unrelated dime novel though a man gets to admiring another mans complexion.
Could he have been French ? Could he have been involved in a cache? Oh my!!!
Swarthy. Now that's almost worth a coin itself for a description. Not dark. Not black. Not albino.
Not quite Erol Flynn corrupting pirate history ( Oh wait that's the wrong era) but swarthy.
Loosely translated he was French, beautiful, and dark. But maybe not quite exactly. What was your Beale cache term question again?
[Beale is a surname of European origin, particularly prominent in England and France. It's derived from the Old French 'Bel', which means 'beautiful' or 'fair'. Thus, the Beale surname often denotes someone who is attractive or fair-complexioned. In some instances, it may also be linked to the Old English term 'beo', referring to a bee, symbolizing a person of industrious nature.]
Websters not adding "code" to the dictionary until 1966 doesn't mean the word wasn't used prior.
Cotton or whomever was in the printing business had editing experience and impacts from others.
Word choice in media has never had to run between two rails only based on a common (English) dictionary.. C'est vrai.
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Doing a search here, it looks like people have already had this chat. About people who said they have decrypted the Beale Ciphers. 
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The Harts come to mind on this one. There are a few more, what do you think?
TruthbeTold
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Still waiting on why your "solve" is correct vs. all the other solves here.
When are you going to dig up the treasure and prove to everyone why your "solve" was correct on the fictional code?
When are you going to dig up the treasure and prove to everyone why your "solve" was correct on the fictional code?
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Because I used the keys to decipher them. And no one else has. First, they will be verified by someone in the correct field of cryptography. One of the main items in the ciphers is the grave of the men he buried sometime before the box was given to Morriss.
TruthbeTold
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So your “solve” is no different than Franklin’s.
Both Franklin and you claim to have “solved” the code yet neither have been able to show treasure.
chalkoutline
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It seems to me there are three ways to solve the ciphers.
1. Method used on DOI:
correctly numbering the correct document and version, then you may need a key/offset to break the Caesar cipher followed by shifting left and right to adjust for mistakes made during numbering. This would produce the EXACT intended message.
2. Frequency analysis:
since multiple numBers were used for the same letter, this would need to be an iterative process best performed by a computer and probably tried by many.
I don't believe the decoded message will result in the EXACT message written by TB and why one might think they have solved it but not specific enough to start digging.
3. Decoding the Alphabetical strings:
these strings are intentional and could mean Cipher 1 was made up. They could also be the first clue to solving the ciphers.
Maybe they are keys,
maybe the decoded strings provide the name or initials of the correct document,
maybe they reveal the numbering sequence for the document, etc.
This could launch a series of clues leading one to the EXACT message. If so, I don't think it is TB who left these clues but the pamphlet author providing entertainment for his readers.
JohnnyRev, I've read your posts and it sounds like you followed a series of clues to your "solve". Does your effort fall into one of the three mentioned or is there a fourth?
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chalkoutline
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BTW, decoder is posted only helps with method #1.
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What's your time frame on this?
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I have been trying to reach out to Nick Pelling and Elonka Dunin regarding my work on the Beale Ciphers and Kryptos Code 4. Additionally, Professor Creage B is aware of my findings, but he seemed quite busy and merely wished me luck. I am also looking to contact someone I know of who is knowledgeable about the Beale story to see if they can refer me to a person who can help verify my work.
Regarding Kryptos, Elonka was very helpful in connecting me with Sanborn. I hope to discuss this matter further with her in the future. I will be contacting each of these individuals before the year's end. I had to step away from the Beale Project for a time, had an illness in the family, 2018-2024, that resulted in me leaving my job to be a caretaker for 5 years, and passed last May.
Regarding Kryptos, Elonka was very helpful in connecting me with Sanborn. I hope to discuss this matter further with her in the future. I will be contacting each of these individuals before the year's end. I had to step away from the Beale Project for a time, had an illness in the family, 2018-2024, that resulted in me leaving my job to be a caretaker for 5 years, and passed last May.
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Time will tell! Keep your eyes open!
treasure1822
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Oh I have solved and do own a shovel...What I need is the correct approach to the land owner...I had in the beginning of possible 3 spots. The first land owner wanted $100,000 to step foot on their land and 3/4's of what I found. That was not a financial option for myself. I took more time and defined it down to one spot requiring access from a different land owner and now the quandary began...how do you approach without losing most of it? Can anyone answer that?
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How certain are you the treasure actually exists, and that your solution is correct? $10,000 certain? $1,000 certain? $100 certain? I would write up a contract that offers cash up front just for the right to go onto the property and do non-invasive probing/scanning; if the probes/scans are positive, you have the right to excavate up to a certain area, and if the treasure is found you will split it 50/50. Something along those lines. You will not get in for free, I'm very certain of that.
treasure1822
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Oh I am 100% certain it's real...know who put it where it is...pretty sure I know why he did it...A scan is definite...50/50 is what I want...the problem is the money up front...Still taking care of a family, not much extra to give and my time on this earth is limited...TJB said the game was worth the candle and he was right so far...
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Sounds like you don't really have a shovel.
treasure1822
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Seams like I spent all my money on the shovel, but that's not stopping me...granted they may want money it but will be the after affect...
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The property owners in Bedford county have had a long history of people trespassing and doing night digs. Most of them don't believe the legend is true and aren't going to agree to anyone coming on their property unless there is cash up front, because that's all the cash they're likely to ever see. If you don't have the cash, then find an investor who does.
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What if I have found that one person who hasn't heard of the Beale Treasuse and has not had any request to get on their land?
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In Bedford County? I'd say they also own a unicorn. If you have found that person, then go for it.
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