Big cats in East TN

ok...why on earth is any government agency responsible for predation among domesticated flocks?
why on earth should a rancher sue the government for damages both past an future?...and win???? outlandish.
this is where the term welfare ranchers comes from...

{geeze, I sound all republican here?}

.......because the GOV. owns all wildlife.................not our fault...they took owner ship...thats exactly why I said...every time there is a fatality(human) the Gov. has to pay out
 

When I lived in West Virginia, Coyotes were responsible for thousands (yes, I said thousands and not hundreds) of Sheep kills and who knows how many Cattle and especially Calf kills. A friend that owned lots of land, Sheep and Cattle eventually sold off all of his' Sheep and Cattle and began growing Feed crops due to his losses of Sheep and Cattle to Coyotes. He told me that he usually moved 150 head of Sheep to high mountain meadows in the Spring and would move them back to the property near his' barn in the Fall. Most of Sheep were close to giving birth when moved to the high mountain meadows in the Spring and with no losses, he should have had 250+ Sheep in the Fall. However, almost every year when they herded them from the high mountain meadows in the Fall, he would only have 50 or 60 head of Sheep left as all of the others had been killed by Coyotes. It got so bad and without any help or compensation from the West Virginia DNR, the West Virginia Sheep Breeders Association recruited and paid for a young man to attend College and get a degree in Wildlife Management and Biology. This young man graduated and eventually landed a job at the WVDNR Headquarters in Charleston, WV where he searched files and emails to the WVDNR's involvement in bringing Coyotes to West Virginia. Well, he finally found an email trail to their (the WV DNR's) involvement, turned the evidence over to the West Virginia Sheep Herders Association and they quickly took the WV DNR to court and won compensation for past losses, compensation for future losses and a ruling which requires the WV DNR to supply and maintain poison bait stations on Farm/Ranches that breed and raise considerable head of both Sheep and Cattle. Sadly, my friend died before ever receiving any compensation for his losses over many, many years of breeding and raising both Sheep and Cattle!

I live on the edge of the city in Jefferson City, Tennesse and the two fields near my' home (one borders and the other is across the highway) have anywhere from 50 to 100 Coyotes in each of them. I have lost many cats over the years and I cannot let my grandchildren walk around the property at night or even venture to the back of my' property during the day due to the threat of Coyote attacks. Something has to be done about them as they breed and drop pups like rabbits and every year, there are more and more of them in these same fields that I mentioned above. Also, there is hardly any wild game left in this area due to the Coyotes.


Frank
Supply the food and the predators will thrive...it's a simple no food and nature controls it's own numbers.

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.......because the GOV. owns all wildlife.................not our fault...they took owner ship...thats exactly why I said...every time there is a fatality(human) the Gov. has to pay out

And because they (the WV DNR) were the ones that reintroduced the Coyotes back into the State when there were none for probably 100 years or more, did nothing about them when their populations exploded and then did everything they could to deny and cover-up their involvement.

To make matters even worse for them, West Virginia's economy somewhat depends upon out of state hunters and license and permit sales but now, some of the counties that recorded some of the highest harvest numbers for Deer nationwide back in the 1980's and early 1990's are now nearly devoid of Deer, although the Coyotes were only partially responsible for this delimma.


Frank
 

I have a very large collection of usgs 7.5 minute topo maps. i carry part of them in a double ammo box.i fold them so I can see the name of the quad as I flip through them. They start about calhoun georgia and run up to the kentucky line. And from South Pittsburg to over around Murphy. The reason I say this is ...I bet there are over a hundred " panther creek" in my A.O. on the topo maps. The oldtimes did not call them panthers. they called them " painters" and they were everywhere.
 

I have a very large collection of usgs 7.5 minute topo maps. i carry part of them in a double ammo box.i fold them so I can see the name of the quad as I flip through them. They start about calhoun georgia and run up to the kentucky line. And from South Pittsburg to over around Murphy. The reason I say this is ...I bet there are over a hundred " panther creek" in my A.O. on the topo maps. The oldtimes did not call them panthers. they called them " painters" and they were everywhere.
..........I beleive that.....just not black ones...:thumbsup:
 

..........I beleive that.....just not black ones...:thumbsup:

We seem to have a heck of a problem around here! With all the black Great Danes running loose, everyone is seeing Black Panthers!:laughing7:
 

Kuger...

i don't know anyone better than you to ask this question...

Many people say they have heard a "woman screaming" which they believe is a large cat.
What large cat would be able to make this sound, if any?
 


Frank.....you need to comprehend my comment if you are going to quote it.....#1 my quote was referring to the fact I beleive that there used to be many panthers(you do understand that a panther is a puma,is a Mtn. Lion,is a cougar???)not lots of black(Melanistic)ones.....it is FACT there is NO breed of BLACK big Cat any where in the world.The one in your link does appear to be a big black cat(ONE...not plural)....and an expert that that looked at it said it appeared to look like an AFRICAN leopard...you do know that there has never been Leopards here,or anywhere near here?Likely an escaped pet.

#9,as I have said before I am completly honest when I tell you I have personally never heard a lion scream like a woman,nor have many all time great Mtn. Men,and Lion hunters...also people that have raised lions...that being said I have been told by some top notch lion guys that they have heard them??Just odd that so many never have??I will say again that 90% of the calls I have been on where people have "heard",a lion scream,have turned out to be fox
 

or a coyote...

!!!Absolutely!I actually have a coyote on my property right now that sounds just like a screaming woman(I have heard quite a few through the years)...sends chills down your neck...I howl at it,and it screams back at me....quite the visual huh? :laughing7:
 

This is a more recent bug cat sighting from over here...it looks like the real thing to me. Big cat Britain: The sightings - Telegraph

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Colin...when time allows...I want to comment on several pictures in that series.....but will say,even if there are Big Black Cats...its easily explained that they are likely escaped pet,leopard,or Jaguars(Likely Leopards)which both have higher tendencies to be melanistic
 

lol...yep...that proves you are an outdoorsmen to me...

coyote loves to howl...

...I sure hope it continues to mind its manners...its been around for the last few years and helped me in my war with the gophers,but the wife texted me this morning that it was eyeballing y daughters little dog,when she let it out this morning
 

...and whats your point???

My point is that even though you've been presented with several examples of why you are wrong, you still argue the point.

Your kind crack me up, you know everything, talk in circles and when shown why you are wrong, you get defensive. By your own admission you are not an expert. I posted two different resources that show you there are black cats, yet you argue there are none!

So you tell me how those black jaguars got black then! melanism / black, its the same thing, they APPEAR black due to melanism...smh! jaguar2.webp Guess you want us to believe that this is orange? LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panther
 

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I believe this photo might help

edit: this quote came from the same site as the 'black cat' photo in question:

the jaguar can be distinguished by the presence of small dots or irregular shapes within the larger rosette markings, a more stocky and muscular body and a shorter tail. Melanistic or black jaguars (see below) are common in certain parts of its range and are often confusingly labelled 'Black Panthers', a name which is also applied to black Leopards. In this melanistic form the cats are more difficult to separate, however the jaguars large head and stocky forelimbs are often a good way to differentiate between the two cats.
 

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