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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

Guys I give up. I really do. You continue to overreact and just flat out make stuff up. I cannot argue against such foolishness. Have a good day.
Take your cheerleader UncleMatt with you. I know we're supposed to be more tolerant of alternative lifestyles these days but this guy "liking" you on nearly every post you make is kinda creepy....
 
Take your cheerleader UncleMatt with you. I know we're supposed to be more tolerant of alternative lifestyles these days but this guy "liking" you on nearly every post you make is kinda creepy....

Its one of those types of relationships:sign10:
 
We need the right to be left a freak alone, that's what we really need.
 
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Fireplaces illegal? Hard to bring them up to some silly ppm spec.

Restricting the chimney could only cause problems.

I had an old boss tell me a cooking fire is legal period. In other words if you are using the fire to heat your food, they can't stop you.:dontknow:
 
I was worried for a while when I first read this post. I'm sure glad I live in the middle of nowhere. Nobody's going to be sniffing my chimney. My neighbor spends about $800 more a year on propane than I do and his house is about 40 years newer. Sorry, I don't have an extra $800. Hell, I'm almost 60 and I wouldn't be lugging a chainsaw and firewood around if I didn't have to. I'd love to be able to flip a switch and be warm. Gotta go throw another log on.

I wish they'd figure out where I'm supposed to get that $300+ a month for health insurance.
 
My buds spend 15 grand on wood boilers, not counting the labor and costs for wood. I could heat my electric geo-home for 20 years on their cost.
 
Makes ya wonder how we managed to survive at all for the past 240 years without the government telling us when to eat, when to breathe, when to go to the bathroom... What really blows my mind though is how many people think this is a good thing. Trying to make people completely helpless to make their own decisions is progress ? Keep drinking that Kool Aid fellas.
 
My buds spend 15 grand on wood boilers, not counting the labor and costs for wood. I could heat my electric geo-home for 20 years on their cost.

I am trying to recall the cost of my geothermal unit.. About 12K sounds close?
 
Here around me the corn stoves are getting huge right now. It was for a while the big outdoor burners, but since wood went from 145 a cord to 270 a cord at 13" long your spending to much.

But my theory why they are going against the wood burner is 1. Wood is getting scarce for some regions of the country. 2. It's kinda a business move. With the corn industry throwing away millions of pounds of waste they have to figureout a way to recoup some lose. With higher operating expenses why not lobby the EPA to outlaw wood burners for the corn pellets. You do away with all waste, you make a ton of money, and it's a more renewable source of fuel. And all they have to do to get it passed, show its has cleaner emissions then wood, and its cheaper then propane. When you get to the bottom of everything it's all about the dollar.
 
Hmm. Emissions regulations are one of the reasons stove makers have tried to improve them.The faint memories of valleys smoked up burning coal once in a while. Yes I recall coal. More to it than design though,size is critical,in relation to space being heated , to run one the right temp (many I ran around 350,i think) gives cleaner burn.
Catalytic type units were used a while but found no favor or incentive to improve,at least around here.Run proper a stove and hardwood is not bad,its start up and tapering off are the challenge.
Burning waste products deserves applause and success will come when simple stoves at reasonable cost start showing up in third world countries. Attempts are being made but far to go. Wood is renewable. Planting in succession works with forethought.Storm damage and recycling too.
The family farm of yore is fading with its woodlot(s) and near self sufficiency but the stove burning fuel lingers. What fuel at what cost and effect deserves notice.
An annual competition with a respectable cash prize for greatest efficiency would be great.
So would examples of tiny heat bills, (yes it happens) in cold climates due to construction of earth berm as well as other highly insulated structures and they do exist.We have built some huge energy wasting structures that heat poorly.
Homes are being built now with lots of "green" material,in harmony with annual winter sun southern exposure,and utilizing thermal mass.
Fuel will be burned in the future,all ways somewhere, especially where technology's reach is short due to location or money.,what can be saved costs less than developing or supplying it.Conserve and save cost through greatest efficiency.
I miss wood heat.Still have some pieces I built for my next version of a wood burner. To me the right draft is going to be key,latest looks interesting but needs tested! My attempt at downflow.
Any one remember Sotz ? Their barrel stove kits heated multiple places I seen them work. Burned even poor quality wood like a modern cigarette,from one end to the other. Any one want to sell one of their auto non electric drafts reasonable?l,o,l,.
A demand of manufacturers not all ways welcome, how much of a demand reflected in its products cost.
Were some one to build efficient waste burners...
Keep your stove pipes and chimneys cleaned and healthy all.
Go stoves!:hello2:
 
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http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/pdfs/woodsmoke_health_effects_jan07.pdf

chopped a lot of wood an carried tons of ash....but wood smoke is a health hazard...perhaps living in flat lands, the smoke build up is not noticeable...
but you get in mountain valleys and basins...during a temp inversion....wood smoke kills...
Yep,like I noted with coals effect.
Too, note that taller stacks dump it farther away allowing pollution many hundreds of miles away.
Family history has one home and one business burnt to ground.
I still like it.
Measuring particulates going to be all over the board till exhaust is burnt before discharge. I have run it being burned but with out proper measuring process can not make claims to efficiency.
Run right it bugged me less than my gas furnace exhaust does today if I,m outside.
The desire for a universally available stove trumps not using them when people burn fuel with out decent systems and smoke is in the living quarters when fire burns.
Bear in mind same fuel is used to cook and not all ways wood.
Also stoves to burn coal /wood are annually requested in S.W. U.S.. Currently eco friendly is not being requested and heat is a priority.
Better is deserved and health may be affected though less than a burnt home or freezing. Should this be stopped?


http://www.southwestindian.com/service/stove.cfm
 
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hey...i know several veterans who froze to death in flagstaff...{came close myself}
push comes to shove...burn the couch...
but...some people are 'styling' using wood just because they can...not because they can not afford to use alternate heat sources...
then raise a fuss like they are loosing basic human rights not to poison the neighborhood.
like most things...the middle path is the one i push for.
 
I didn't read all of this thread, so this may have been already addressed.
As I live off the grid, I only have a wood stove for my heat.
I live up on a hill, but when I go downtown I can see all the smoke just like fog engulfing everything.
Its worth it to have a newer stove that meets current EPA standards...not only is it clean burning in comparison, but it only takes three pieces of wood to get a 24 hr burn...I will upgrade next year..am sick of going through several cords in a winter!!

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Being fairly new to this board i'm going to dive in here with great trepidation.

I just had to scrap a running toyota camry with a check engine light on because I couldn't afford the repair to turn it off the light, although it ran fine. The mechanic said it was because of a transmission sensor which could be trash clogging the sensor or actual transmission slippage. Either way I couldn't afford to fix it and it ran just fine for the short distance I needed to get to work and back. Even if it was the transmission Im sure it could have had many more miles put on it; Except for the amount of cops I pass. Nobody cares about the pollution it creates to build a car from scratch they only care about what money they can beat you out of at this very instant. They recently changed the regulations here and don't inspect things like your brake lights. Because local police can give you a ticket for that. He said he recently saw a guy scrap his vehicle because on newer cars air conditioning problems will throw the check engine light. Where in the past people would just ride around without the $1000-1200 dollar air conditioning repair now its just easier to scrap it. So in my state you can have no tread on your tires and no break lights and pass state inspection but if your check engine light is on forget about it.

On a side note for sentimental reasons I have lugged around a cast iron stove that would have been my great grandmothers for over a decade. Maybe she was worried about the ban. :icon_scratch: Nope she just remembers it from her childhood. If you have ever tried to move a cast iron stove you realize how crazy this is. But just maybe this will increase its resale value.

Im registered independent because i believe money has trumped both parties morals.
 
Dumpster D...I agree with everything you said..so sorry about the Camry. ..they run forever!
I know how heavy those stoves are..ours is cast iron as well and I love them.
Fortunately where I live you can burn anything if you are off the grid..

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Oh..I am non-partisan. .they are all corrupt. ..whoops sorry mods realized this is wrong thread for political stuff..:(

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Im still trying to understand why the regulation of wood stoves is a problem? How does this affect anyone negatively (besides wood stove manufacturers)?

OMG!!! Do you think that they make those changes and absorb the costs?

In a sinking economy (truth, not propaganda, is what's important), how much more rising cost can the individuals and families absorb before it is too much?
 
Ben, did you happen to hear the video from 00:10 to 00:20? Inspectors are going out,
and a possible $1000 fine. Even I could hear it.

Who's making stuff up here?

The truth became too easy to see, so they bugged out. Good riddance!
 

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