Kenworthy Decodes the Waltz Doodle

[skyhawk1251]

I was able to obtain a copy of Charles A. Kenworthy's book, "Treasure Secrets of the Lost Dutchman." This book is the last one written by Kenworthy, published in 1997, and is now long out-of-print. In one chapter of the book he decodes what is commonly known as the "Waltz Doodle." Those pages are inserted below.

I am ignorant as far as European coded maps are concerned, so I can't comment on Kenworthy's decoding methods. I'll just say that this is another way to look at the Waltz Doodle.

Anyone who is interested in reading more of this book should contact me by direct message.

 

[393stroker]

I seriously doubt Waltz had all that going on when he was dying in his deathbed trying to convey the location of his mine to someone he knew wasn’t paying attention.

 

[Oroblanco]

I wasn’t there when he died. But actions speak louder than words. If it’s untrue that Waltz gave the directions to the mine, why would Holmes and for that matter Julia go off into the mountains to search?

They must have had reason to believe that they would find the mine and perhaps the cache.

Please do continue 👍

 

[393stroker]

Reminds me when I explain the job scope to my workers sometimes, they all shake their heads and say they got it. 5 minutes later someone asks what we are going to do. Smacking my head.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Reminds me when I explain the job scope to my workers sometimes, they all shake their heads and say they got it. 5 minutes later someone asks what we are going to do. Smacking my head.

I happen to agree with you...that Waltz was unlikely to have drawn Ye Olde Doodle in coded format based on the story associated with said Doodle. If we can even believe it, but that's another story.

I liked Chuck, but sometimes I think he had more money than sense. Not you, Kenworthy He was a decent guy, good salesman...I just thought he was nuts. But I was just a kid then. Wish I'd taped his spiel. Especially the part on Ft. Huachuca...I kind of half-a$$ looked for it later. Had to have something to do with my free time while working there .

Regarding the Supes, Chuck was sure he was going to find the Peralta and/or Waltz gold...which maybe he did, he just didn't dig it out himself...another story

The CIA sure liked ol' Chuck but again, that's another story.

 

[skyhawk1251]

I seriously doubt Waltz had all that going on when he was dying in his deathbed trying to convey the location of his mine to someone he knew wasn’t paying attention.

I'm in complete agreement with what you wrote. My first thought was, "how could a man near death think coherently enough to draw a three-part diagram?" Notice that I did not refer to the diagram as a "map", because even after being "assembled" by Kenworthy it does not contain enough information, coded or otherwise, to be called a "map."

My main criticism of Kenworthy is that he used one map (not this diagram) to locate what he calls the "X mine." He became so fixated on that one location that he then tried to show that other maps led the way to that same location. In doing so, he stretched his imagination to its limits.

I do have to admit, however, that Kenworthy used some sophisticated science to examine the site of his "X mine", if what he writes is true. Of course, the science behind the equipment he used could have been "tricked" by factors beyond his control.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Skyhawk,

He certainly carted all that stuff in there. Or, I should say, Ron probably carted all that stuff in there

I guess he figured he would never be able to dig it out. He wound up across the canyon later. He kept at it until the end, when they closed off new mineral entry and started inspecting everyone's claims. I remember that time...I thought all those people looking for the LDM were crazy. Not that I would've ever said that out loud. But Chuck had quite a bit of local press and he was a very personable guy, especially compared to most of the other guys in there.

Chuck's kid is a lawyer, BTW, handled all his Dad's legal stuff.

 

[sdcfia]

I happen to agree with you...that Waltz was unlikely to have drawn Ye Olde Doodle in coded format based on the story associated with said Doodle. If we can even believe it, but that's another story.

I liked Chuck, but sometimes I think he had more money than sense. Not you, Kenworthy He was a decent guy, good salesman...I just thought he was nuts. But I was just a kid then. Wish I'd taped his spiel. Especially the part on Ft. Huachuca...I kind of half-a$$ looked for it later. Had to have something to do with my free time while working there .

Regarding the Supes, Chuck was sure he was going to find the Peralta and/or Waltz gold...which maybe he did, he just didn't dig it out himself...another story

The CIA sure liked ol' Chuck but again, that's another story.

I bought most of his publications - bought 'em when I was younger, eager and more naive. Sold most later for a good profit, so in that respect, thumbs up to Chuck. Gave his best one away recently to another younger eager searcher. Good luck to him. One thing about good salesmen - "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Hard to believe I bought my Kenworthy books over 30 years ago. I only bought two and learned quick that I had two too many and quit buying them. I should put them on Ebay..."great condition, never read (only skimmed once) and then forgotten about on a bookshelf for 33 years."

Chuck could take every natural rock formation, damaged cactus, and shadow at exactly 11:43 AM or 3:19 PM, and write an entire story from what he saw. Kind of reminded me of scrying innards or astrology.

I often wondered if I took all of his pics and explanations from First Water to Charlesbois, if the instructions would make any sense...or if they would have me turning in circles, or have me wind up at the Farrells at Metrocenter

 

[sgtfda]

The best treasure hunter can take all this BS and bundle it into a story. No treasure other than the story. The story takes on a life of its own. The doodle is BS. There was stuff out there found. Usually stumbled upon. If you do enough stumbling about following BS you may stumble also.

 

[skyhawk1251]

Those watching this thread will want to click the link below. It seems that Charles Kenworthy had some success as a treasure hunter. The man interviewed in this Terry Carter video explains how he visited a cache pit discovered by Kenworthy. That site is discussed just a few minutes into the video, but I recommend watching the entire video, if only to see what the monuments along the "monumented trail" in the Superstitions could have looked like before they were toppled and scattered. The stacked-stone monoliths in Utah are also a mysterious and puzzling addition to the video.

I can only advise those exploring the Superstitions to proceed slowly and to examine everything closely. Valuable clues could be visible to those with keen eyes.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

My apologies, Skyhawk, if you took my posts to mean I thought Chuck was not a good treasure hunter...As far as I know, he is one of the very, very few modern day TH'ers to have actually found some verifiable, valuable things during his long "career" in this hobby. Unfortunately, there is much more straight up, unadulterated, total BS about Chuck finding things, than what he really DID find over the years.

Chuck was one of those guys who really believed what he was doing. He did get caught in a few non-truths here and there, and I am certain that he never found any gold on Bluff Spring Mtn or over at the "Quest Heart". Or, for that matter, in the "Caverna Con Casa" brought up in the video. His son, last I heard, which was awhile ago, was still looking in the Supes...the son who actually wrote most of what's in Chuck's books, including the one under discussion here I believe he also owns the copyright to all these books we've been talking about. Getting him to talk, I think, would be next to impossible.

I do believe that Chuck DID get a lot of gold out of the Supes...but I won't comment on where he got it and who the people were that witnessed it. All I can say is that this was years after the wilderness closure and after Chuck had wrapped up his operations in the Supes. I can also say that the gold didn't come from any site Chuck had found using his Spanish King's Code.

The subject of Chuck Kenworthy is well-plowed ground and at least a few folks that were around AJ and in the mountains when this was going on, are still with us.

Also...Mike may choke me out the next time he sees me for doing this...but...anyone who wants to seriously research what was true, and what wasn't regarding Chuck Kenworthy...ask Gollum here on TNET and if you're actually serious and he likes you and you don't annoy him, he may share some of his own research. Or maybe he won't.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

The best treasure hunter can take all this BS and bundle it into a story. No treasure other than the story. The story takes on a life of its own. The doodle is BS. There was stuff out there found. Usually stumbled upon. If you do enough stumbling about following BS you may stumble also.

'you may stumble also' is sort of a foregone conclusion to your previous words 'If you do enough stumbling about'... so please enlighten us as to what you were trying to say. You be putting a hurt on my understanding.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . I often wondered if I took all of his pics and explanations from First Water to Charlesbois, if the instructions would make any sense...or if they would have me turning in circles . . .

Bingo!! There's a method in this madness - it's called disinformation. Happens a lot, in many different places. Some versed in pattern recognition might start getting suspicious.

 

[Carl-NC]

'If you do enough stumbling about'... so please enlighten us as to what you were trying to say.

Probably the same thing I say about people who hunt for treasure with dowsing rods and LRLs... because it gets them out in the field instead of sitting at home, they are more likely to just stumble upon something good even if their methods are total nonsense. The blind squirrel scenario.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Bingo!! There's a method in this madness - it's called disinformation. Happens a lot, in many different places. Some versed in pattern recognition might start getting suspicious.

I never looked close enough to see anything like that...but am not surprised. It's treasure hunting, after all. There were those that believed (based on hard evidence that cannot be explained away) that what Chuck was purporting 1) did not originate in Spain, and 2) was of modern authorship.

Why should we be surprised? I never take anything at face value, because if someone believes they truly have information of value, they will conceal it, mislead, etc. We see the same thing happening over and over...it's human nature. Even Brownie Holmes once admitted that he lied about his Dad's info in order to get people off his back. He said "The mountains will make a liar out of you". He was essentially admitting that he'd lied, probably many times, for one reason or another. Probably had more than one reason...concealing, misleading, wanting people to leave him alone, etc.