Larson1951 would like some opinions

[larson1951]

i have a good friend that owns a tree service contracting business
he lives by me
a person from central ND is wanting to sell him the following artifacts
what is your opinion on the origin of these as it seems obvious that most are not mandan.........but some are
i feel that this is something to stay away from
these were supposed to be found 40 miles south of the KRF quarries

 

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[old digger]

Looks like they are from several different regions. Also there are a few good ones in there.

The one in the center look like a newer fancy remake.

 

[larson1951]

Looks like they are from several different regions. Also there are a few good ones in there.

View attachment 754189 The one in the center look like a newer fancy remake.

yup and so does the stone fish hook
i just want opinions
please tnetters....say anything you think, i welcome all opinions

 

[old digger]

these points look similar to those found in Montana and surrounding states.

 

[tomclark]

Field grade and funky clean-out with a few fakes which taint the entire collection anyway boom! A few are O.K. but in it's entirety it stinks.

 

[wvwildman]

20 bucks is what i would give for them

 

[GatorBoy]

The fact that there are some bad apples would ruin the whole bunch for me. Any honest collection from an honest collector in my opinion would never have items snuck in like that.....
The most diagnostic thing to me is the marking on the pottery pieces.. it looks to be exactly the same chord marked style as yours. I think it's a case of someone trying to sweeten the pot and make a sale for more than they otherwise have. I would personally stay away from that.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I say it would depend on the price. I wouldn't pay top dollar for it, but if you get those for a couple hundred dollars it would be worth it. After you get it take the two obvious fakes out and destroy them and save the rest. They are all mostly field grade, but to get that many for that price would be a decent deal.

 

[bci101tractors]

Ditto on what Grim said.

 

[Tnmountains]

Did you see the thunderbird effigy on the Indian frame? The exotics say stay away to me as they seem to almost be his best pieces. Some of the field grades are ok but the collection looks like something you might see at a Cracker Barrel. On a side note many exotics can be real from Central and South America.

 

[pointshunter]

So what your saying if it looks to good or looks a little bit to exotic then don't chance it right. I think I have a lot to learn . I look a lot on the Internet at what's being sold or has been found and ones I've thought we're real we're fakes and ones that were fakes real. It's hard for me to tell the difference .

 

[RGINN]

I don' buy and sell artifacts so no help here. If the price is affordable and he just wants to say he has some arrowheads well go for it. I am from the southern plains and have no clue about Mandan culture, other than what little I've read. I have heard stories and speculation that Vikings pre-Colombus came in contact with the Mandans. IF all this collection was found in a Mandan area in the SAME archaeological context, that hooked knife looking thing and the fish hook looking thing are very interesting.

 

[GatorBoy]

There's a lot of things to consider besides how good they look. You really need to have some Providence and the knowledge of the material in that area together with the style certain artifacts were made in that area.. and that's before even looking closely. I wouldn't recommend buying anything off the internet without a deep knowledge of ancient artifacts to begin with... the track record of the seller and the authenticator.You can't even hold it first. Just seems more logical to me to invest money in the hunt.. that way you know everything is real.
I can't imagine a piece that was bought could have much impact as in personal connection. Just a thing you bought. This is only my opinion but it seems rather empty.

 

[rock]

If I see a collection for sale and it has repros in the collection mixed into the frames I stay away from it but thats just me. If your friend can cherry pick the frames then it might be a different story. The repros might of been gifts from people that didnt know what they were and maybe the seller didnt know either. But I wouldnt buy the whole thing. Just my 2 cents.

 

[NC field hunter]

If I were one to trade money for artifacts, I would have to talk to the seller. I would also have to be sharp on the area or culture these pieces represent. If the seller told me that the pieces in question were added to the display as an eye catcher, and that they were repro. pieces, then I would think he is cool. If he told the opposite of what I expected, I'd say interesting and boogie on down the line. The pieces that are in question here look different than the others. Oddities are eye catchers. Their is no crime in being good at marketing. However, in the artifact field, I say odd is ok but plain strange or foreign pieces would not be marketing at its best. The too good to be true saying is probably your best bet here. I have a find that I would never display at a show, just because it looks too good to be true. Also, I'm not sure it is "true". I found this bone pendant on the river bank, but it was in sight of the boat ramp. That puts a huge possibility of modern man ( like 1999 type modern) being the creator of this one. On the other hand, the river is loaded with artifacts and the thought of modern man wearing this with their tommy Hilfiger is odd. Who knows? I wish I had never seen it on the bank.



I wouldn't call the guy a phony before speaking to him eye ball to eye ball!

 

[larson1951]

your opinions are appreciated so please keep them coming
thanks much
steve

 

[old digger]

As previously mentioned, you may suggest that your neighbor purchase them ''a-la-carte''. Just purchase the ones that are authentic, and those that will enhance or be a good begining to a cared for collection.

 

[Martingeetars]

Steve if you are asking,because you are very familar with stuff from your area, then there must be concern in your mind and thats enough to throw up red flags, some look right others look like flea market items!JMO

 

[larson1951]

well i want to thank everybody for the opinions and it is about what i expected now this is why
my friend that just found that nice KRF knife that i posted last week called me yesterday and had a bunch of pictures of a collection that was for sale
the seller lives about 10 miles south of the mouth of the Knife river where it flows into the missouri
you can google 'knife river indian village at stanton north dakota' and see that this is prime mandan, arikara, hidatsa territory
all the artifacts found in that area all look like mine
when i saw these pictures i told my friend that this is phony and it is a bunch of mostly junk with a few mandan pottery shards and a tiny bit of KRF thrown in the mix but most of the material is not from here and neither are the point types
.... he said well what if i go to his farm and find that same material?
i told him that he isn't gonna find most of that in north dakota and to stay away from it completely and don't go back there...then he said the guy wanted a lot of money for it
so i offered to post it and told him to stop back today and review the replys................for which i thank you'all for

I hope this will convince him to stay away............once again, thanks

 

[unclemac]

my thoughts echo the rest...the center pieces like the fish hook and knife...nice try...looks like a new bone handled knife too. The rest look like pretty common points from all over.