Met a jerk today

[art of fact]

I opoligize if I stepped over my bounderies Buckleboy I guess I didnt think I would be coming on to this sight and have some posting threats against this hobby that I love very much, I guess I took it as a personal attack, My mistake Sorry for any offense taken.

 

[BuckleBoy]

I opoligize if I stepped over my bounderies Buckleboy I guess I didnt think I would be coming on to this sight and have some posting threats against this hobby that I love very much, I guess I took it as a personal attack, My mistake Sorry for any offense taken.

Art,

No offense is taken here, but I don't blame Blacksheep one bit for being offended. He has been a great help on this forum identifying finds for people and his replies have all had something important to say--all 800+ of them.

The reason I have posted what I posted on this thread is not because I have something against the hobby, but precisely Because I love this hobby so much, and I wish to see it continue Legally far into the future on both public And private land. We cannot continue to have the rights that we have if we keep being a nuisance. A little foresight goes a long way. It is why I do not hunt easements, and it is why I promote asking permission before hunting them--because the potential rewards outweigh any small benefeits that might be gained by hunting without permission "because it is our right to do so." These rewards are both Public Relations ones, as well as the Quality of Finds. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.


Regards,


Buckleboy

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA mi amigo Ed!

Ed T wrote

Does anyone else have more rights than any other person.

HOO-boy there is one loaded rhetorical question amigo! In theory NO, in practice.....you know that answer! There is an element in society that hates to see anyone enjoy themselves, and want to put a stop to it - especially if the person having fun just might make a buck while at it. You have said pretty much what I was going to, thanks amigo!

Ray in WA
I say keep on swinging that detector, if it bugs the jerks so much the better! If you have a mean streak like some folks (maybe even me?) then, while the jerk is watching, you could pretend that you found a $50 gold piece and put on a show just to really get his goat. Not admitting that I have in fact done this very thing, mind you (5th amendment pleading! ) but a jerk like that deserves such salt in his "wound".
Oroblanco

 

[hogge]

Hey Guys, I have followed this thread the whole way. The guy Ray met, is obviously, "The Jackass", of the neighborhood, that no-one will probably listen to anyway. We all have our opinions on what the "Right" thing to do is, and was, in this situation. Ray was within his rights, legally and morally. If this clown came up to me and fired the first shot right away, (you can't argue with people that are like this), I would return fire. Whether it reflects on this hobby or not. If you're within your rights, you don't win any respect from anyone by backing down. MYO. All this guy is going to do is blat to his "cronies" how he stopped someone from metal detecting across the street. I'm 5' 10" and weigh 180. I don't care if this moron was 6' 5" 300lbs., I would have told him to drag a$$ and leave me alone! (then call 911 for ). The guy really had NO business confronting RAY. If Ray was on this guys easement, maybe he has a gripe.( Even I would go out and ask). I hunt old foundations in the middle of the woods, as to avoid people. Confrontation is one of the reasons. The other is when I'm confronted with someone like this, I have a tendency to "SNAP"!

 

[ohiochris]

I hunt easements from time to time but only in front of abandoned or unlived in homes. If somebody bothers me while I am doing that he better be wearing a badge , I wont argue with a bonafide police officer even if he is wrong , but if he isnt wearing a badge and just says he is a cop then I pay him no mind. Hunting easements in front of occupied homes is just rude however , unless you have specific permission to do it. Doesnt matter who owns it, if someone is cutting the grass and trying to keep it looking nice then they have every right to object as far as Im concerned.

 

[terryo]

You could just stop talking, kinda look around desperately, and mutter" please god , don't let the voices make me kill again", while getting that look in your eyes.....

 

[ohiochris]

You could just stop talking, kinda look around desperately, and mutter" please god , don't let the voices make me kill again", while getting that look in your eyes.....

yes!!! I do believe that may solve the problem

 

[RGINN]

Sorry you had a bad day, Ray. I understand where Blacksheep is comin from too. I don't think Ray went in there with the attitude that 'By Gawd, It's My RIGHT'. It pretty much gets down to politeness. I bet if that fellow across the street would have been polite and presented his case in a reasonable manner, Ray would have moved on, even if he thought the guy was full of it. I grew up in a culture where rudeness was not tolerated, and it was acceptable to answer it with violence. We were also very polite to each other, as everyone had a gun or knife around. Not very politcally correct, but Ray handled it way better than I would have, I guess. And I make no apologies for the folks I grew up with. That's the way it was, we might be different now.

 

[Trackerman]

Bottom line is theres too manny aholes that accupy the world . And most of these guys are geezers that just are plain wierd to begin with. And they have beef with the world and anyone who seems new to there turf. Happend to me the other day . I was hitting a local park and this geezer almost hit my car as i was parcking he was backing up with his 50 year old car. Then this geezer circles mee and the block with his pitch black terminator loacks. And was peranoid as hell it was kinda funny. So i acted like i left and parcked a bit down on a block next to his . And saw him leave after it was funny.

 

[cybercop106]

Sounds like most everyone agrees:

Permission should be sought on ROW easements of occupied property.
PUBLIC PROPERTY is fair game for detecting if it's not prohibited by law.
Detectorists should do everything possible to avoid permanent damage to property.
Complainers without merit to their diatribes are annoying.

The only issue here appears to be how to 'deal' with the complainers.

In two decades of policework, I learned there are plenty of inconsiderate and self-important people who will harass someone when they themselves are wrong. When proven to be in the wrong, the worst of these A-holes continue to push
'their' views on you. Generally, if you acquiesce to their unfair demands it emboldens them to continue. Whether you
let them get away with it or not, there is pretty much the same (very slim) chance they will use their influence or annoyance factor to have undesirable ordinances or laws changed.......
For two reasons:
They don't care about "the law".
They are generally already well known to lawmakers and enforcers and are unwelcome or shunned.

In my experience it's better to point out why/where they are wrong and then ignore them. Or ignore them completely from the start.
Those types usually become worse when they get their way.........
And being self-important, it embarrasses some of them into desisting when they are proven wrong a few times.
The ones that aren't will be a problem no matter what. So I don't let them get away with it and don't recommend people allow the jerks to do so either. It makes us feel better to defend our rights and legal standing......... having and exercising your rights under the law is one of the best things about being an American.

 

[hogge]

Sounds like most everyone agrees:

Permission should be sought on ROW easements of occupied property.
PUBLIC PROPERTY is fair game for detecting if it's not prohibited by law.
Detectorists should do everything possible to avoid permanent damage to property.
Complainers without merit to their diatribes are annoying.

The only issue here appears to be how to 'deal' with the complainers.

In two decades of policework, I learned there are plenty of inconsiderate and self-important people who will harass someone when they themselves are wrong. When proven to be in the wrong, the worst of these A-holes continue to push
'their' views on you. Generally, if you acquiesce to their unfair demands it emboldens them to continue. Whether you
let them get away with it or not, there is pretty much the same (very slim) chance they will use their influence or annoyance factor to have undesirable ordinances or laws changed.......
For two reasons:
They don't care about "the law".
They are generally already well known to lawmakers and enforcers and are unwelcome or shunned.

In my experience it's better to point out why/where they are wrong and then ignore them. Or ignore them completely from the start.
Those types usually become worse when they get their way.........
And being self-important, it embarrasses some of them into desisting when they are proven wrong a few times.
The ones that aren't will be a problem no matter what. So I don't let them get away with it and don't recommend people allow the jerks to do so either. It makes us feel better to defend our rights and legal standing......... having and exercising your rights under the law is one of the best things about being an American.

We must have been seperated at birth. I think I found my long lost twin brother!

 

[allen]

you did the right thing by leaving,
you couldve lost your cool and
ended up getting loud and maybe
ended up getting cited for something
like disturbing the peace.

 

[nova treasure]

I am sorry to hear that you had to deal with a nosey neighbor. I will have to say in my own experience in Detecting and work, My Respect to others will lead the way to my future. If this would had happened to me, I may have not been happy about the circumstances but I would find the understanding that the people live there and what they may deal with on a daily bases is enough for me to move on with a smile.

Metal Detecting is a hobby and will never win an argument, like personal Respect.
Your title is: "Met a Jerk Today"
The nosey Neighbors message to the Neighborhood is: "I Met A Jerk with one of those Metal Detectors Today".

Nova Treasure

 

[Sandman]

Sounds like most everyone agrees:

Permission should be sought on ROW easements of occupied property.
PUBLIC PROPERTY is fair game for detecting if it's not prohibited by law.
Detectorists should do everything possible to avoid permanent damage to property.
Complainers without merit to their diatribes are annoying.

The only issue here appears to be how to 'deal' with the complainers.

In two decades of policework, I learned there are plenty of inconsiderate and self-important people who will harass someone when they themselves are wrong. When proven to be in the wrong, the worst of these A-holes continue to push
'their' views on you. Generally, if you acquiesce to their unfair demands it emboldens them to continue. Whether you
let them get away with it or not, there is pretty much the same (very slim) chance they will use their influence or annoyance factor to have undesirable ordinances or laws changed.......
For two reasons:
They don't care about "the law".
They are generally already well known to lawmakers and enforcers and are unwelcome or shunned.

In my experience it's better to point out why/where they are wrong and then ignore them. Or ignore them completely from the start.
Those types usually become worse when they get their way.........
And being self-important, it embarrasses some of them into desisting when they are proven wrong a few times.
The ones that aren't will be a problem no matter what. So I don't let them get away with it and don't recommend people allow the jerks to do so either. It makes us feel better to defend our rights and legal standing......... having and exercising your rights under the law is one of the best things about being an American.


[/quoteVery good thread and I read every one. Some wouldsay I haveno life. Tom, I agree with you 110 %. My gripe coes from those that think theyy need to dig a hole to get a coin

 

[diamondjim]

OMG this thread has gotten WAY, WAY out of hand!!!!

I've posted several controversial things lately so I'll use this thread to sum it up.

MDing friends, PLEASE stop being ashamed for obeying the law. PLEASE stop being ashamed of respecting property rights, both those "legal" and those "implied." Ray DID NOTHING WRONG, and at no point point in this conflict did he remotely besmirch MDing in general.

I want all of you who actually dig public lands to answer a few simple questions:

1) Have you EVER removed live ammunition from public areas?

2) Have you EVER removed a knife from a park?

3) Have you EVER removed twisted metal, broken glass, rusty nails or even random trash in your your path?

FORGET about the quality of the hole, the cranks and the MD forum bashers...have you made the world a better place by keeping a live bullet out of the hands of children?

99.9% of all people who actually dig holes on this site can and HAVE made the world a better place. NEVER forget that. Somehow, we've been brainwashed into this idea that our hobby is bad, evil, history destroying, public land demolishing plot against the public at large. MDing friends, PLEASE stand up and take credit for our work, for our contribution to society.

RAY, I am SO sorry for adding my soap box rant to your thread, but I feel it needs to be said...not just to you, but to all metal detector hobby folks...STOP APOLOGIZING for making the world a better place.

I will relate to you the story of South Carolina State Parks. It is TABOO, in a MASSIVE way to swing on ANY state land here. However, drive to Hunting Island state park and the Park Rangers themselves will gladly, HAPPILY, escort you to the beach..."technically" historical state lands...but they invite you to hunt without limits. WHY? Metal Detectorist remove so much trash, so many hazards, the good VASTLY out weighs the rare historical find you might make. The beaches here are beautifully clean and MDing people are a BIG reason for it. Even the PSYCHO SC Park Rangers recognize the value.

Point being, we need to STOP feeling ashamed over every little conflict and understand our greater roll in society. We need to hold up what we do for what it is...a VALUE added to society and stop begging forgiveness for every square inch of ground we legally cover. Would you apologize for patching pot holes in the road? Would you feel ashamed removing offensive graffiti?

And it's not the JUST the brainwashing, even in our ranks, it's the sheer violence of the execution. I do NOT disagree with anyone's right to disagree, but it's the instant violence and anger of the posts that worries me. Poor Ray, set off a fire storm here quite innocently...if you feel Ray was wrong, do you REALLY think screaming angrily at him will get him to change his mind? I've been shouted down here often enough, so be it... but is anger really the tone you think will change minds, considering this IS a treasure hunting forum and not being read by the public officials you are trying to impress? Is forum self-righteousness more important to you than improving the hobby? Improving the hobby can NEVER be accomplished by shouting down those who disagree with you...it will only serve to drive them away.

I stand by my original opinion, RAY acted in as curtious of a fashion while exercising his legal rights as any one could have.

 

[BuckleBoy]

This post here is Exactly like the post of the guy who brought the handgun to the Obama speech.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

diamond jim, well put.

All it takes is a few bootings stories, and loaded words like "holes" or whatever, and we can think "oh no, the world hates md'rs! Therefore I must snivel and wimper and get the mayors sanction to go to the sandbox!". But in reality, it's attitudes like that, if we think that about ourselves, that only serve to perpetuate the attitude even more! Haven't you ever met a psychologically depressed person, who has the "I'm a worm, and nobody likes me" attitude? And yeah, pretty soon people like that have no friends at all, because it just becomes a self-fullfilling prophesy.

So on the contrary, stop the brainwashing for the negatives side, and believe in the positive side! For every naysayer I run into, there's 100 positive people! Ie.: "wow that looks fun. What's the best thing you've ever found?" and "where can I buy one of those?" or "can you help me find my car keys?" etc..... So why is it that the negative press gets all the attention? It must be human nature to put bad news "on the front page", and bury good news on the back-page.

If we all buy into this negative view (where some busy-body or over-zealous cop snipes at you) all the time, then heck, you might as well stop driving your car too. I mean, any of us, at one time or another has been flipped off in traffic for what someone else thought was a poor lane change on our part. So why not just assume those persons are right, so therefore stay at home and never drive?

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

There is always someone somewhere -


Tell me - is there an easement in front of this guy's property that you could detect on?


B

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

SWR,

Depends on where you live. I don't know if what you quoted was from the town of this particular individual, but, if it is - you are correct.

If you were talking about here where I live, it's not - people even grow part of their garden in the easments and the strip between the sidewalk and the road!

B

 

[Blacksheep]

Most people think of that easement as a "free zone". This is not always true. You should still check with your local municipality as to the restrictions to these easements. Call before you dig.


No individual shall be allowed to prospect on public property including the public rights of way, nor can any individual remove artifacts from public property or public right of way without the express written permission of the town or the appropriate legal authority controlling the right of way. The permission must be carried with the prospector at all times while searching the public property. Furthermore, no disturbances or construction activities shall be authorized within properties belonging to the town, including public streets and rights-of-way, without a town right-of-way permit and without such archaeology efforts as may be addressed by this ordinance.

http://growth-management.alachua.fl.us/historic/micord.htm


These are some of the things the "me me me" crowd purposely omit.

Added later: Folks...you do not have the "right" to dig on any ROW or easement without a locate ticket...period. If you do not know what a locate ticket is, you shouldn't be digging.

In our city, property owners are responsible for the cost of repair and maintenance of all piping, wiring, sewer laterals and vegetation in the R.0.W. fronting their properties starting from the center line of the road. That`s at 100 percent. (50 percent shared cost for street surface repair (beyond patching), curbing, sidewalks, corners and ramps. (tree`s are the exception, no cost for removal/planting)

Check your local laws thoroughly to avoid misunderstandings.