BuckleBoy
Gold Member
Tom,
For a person who is always blathering on about "not rocking the boat" and "being unobtrusive" your stance on this has me really confused. Here you are PROMOTING people do this, and put themselves in situations where they are likely to stir up trouble! It goes against everything that you have said in other threads on this forum!
Or perhaps your stance on this is because you know that if you tell them to "hunt when you're less likely to be seen" (what does this mean, hunt at night? In the wee hours of the morning?)--you know that if you tell them this like you've done on other threads, then it will look even more suspicious. Is this the case?
I really don't understand NOT asking permission, since I am sure that the "lucrative" easements are in front of old houses anyhow. Why not get permission on one yard out of three, and that easement too?! That's my permission rate when I go door to door in the city.
This is NOT a hobby for people who are shy or have something against asking permission. Period. Those folks can save themselves the cost of the black clothing, the looking over their shoulder, and the jail time by following the law and ABOVE ALL being considerate to other people.
Oh contraire! I get permission all the time to do just that. I try to be as up-front and honest about what I will be doing on a property as I can, and it pays off every hunt for me!
The problem is when you ask permission like you said in the quote above ("Hi, can I dig up your yard?"). This tells me that you're either warping things out of proportion just to try and make a point, or you've never successfully asked permission from a person that you didn't know. If you ask like that, you're sure to get a "NO!" from just about anyone.
I see it as my Responsibility to the owner, to the quality of my experience there, and to my hobby, to be as Clear as I can be.
This issue is not as cut and dried as your ideas about public land, because whether you like it or not, there Are and Will Be property owners involved. Whether they can legally be involved or not, or even legally have an opnion about an easement it is open to debate--but it will happen either way, Tom.
At worst, it is illegal in some areas from the city's standpoint--and at best you may have just lost the potential for permission on a whole street of historic yards behind those easements if an incident occurs.
For a guy who tries to lay low and be off the radar, telling folks to create a high possibility of confrontation by doing this just doesn't make any sense. You speak with two mouths.
-Buck
For a person who is always blathering on about "not rocking the boat" and "being unobtrusive" your stance on this has me really confused. Here you are PROMOTING people do this, and put themselves in situations where they are likely to stir up trouble! It goes against everything that you have said in other threads on this forum!
Or perhaps your stance on this is because you know that if you tell them to "hunt when you're less likely to be seen" (what does this mean, hunt at night? In the wee hours of the morning?)--you know that if you tell them this like you've done on other threads, then it will look even more suspicious. Is this the case?
I really don't understand NOT asking permission, since I am sure that the "lucrative" easements are in front of old houses anyhow. Why not get permission on one yard out of three, and that easement too?! That's my permission rate when I go door to door in the city.
This is NOT a hobby for people who are shy or have something against asking permission. Period. Those folks can save themselves the cost of the black clothing, the looking over their shoulder, and the jail time by following the law and ABOVE ALL being considerate to other people.
Tom_in_CA said:think of it: if you walk into ANY city hall, ANYWHERE, and asked "Can I dig holes in the eavesements (or parks, or schools or whatever) and alter the surface"? What do you THINK their answer will be? Doh!
Oh contraire! I get permission all the time to do just that. I try to be as up-front and honest about what I will be doing on a property as I can, and it pays off every hunt for me!
The problem is when you ask permission like you said in the quote above ("Hi, can I dig up your yard?"). This tells me that you're either warping things out of proportion just to try and make a point, or you've never successfully asked permission from a person that you didn't know. If you ask like that, you're sure to get a "NO!" from just about anyone.
I see it as my Responsibility to the owner, to the quality of my experience there, and to my hobby, to be as Clear as I can be.
This issue is not as cut and dried as your ideas about public land, because whether you like it or not, there Are and Will Be property owners involved. Whether they can legally be involved or not, or even legally have an opnion about an easement it is open to debate--but it will happen either way, Tom.
At worst, it is illegal in some areas from the city's standpoint--and at best you may have just lost the potential for permission on a whole street of historic yards behind those easements if an incident occurs.
For a guy who tries to lay low and be off the radar, telling folks to create a high possibility of confrontation by doing this just doesn't make any sense. You speak with two mouths.
-Buck