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If I were in Sweden, I can tell you what I'd be doing right now. I'll leave that to your imagination.
I am sorry for your pain. It is too bad that the government is killing the hobby because it caused them to have to do work.
True, but if he can do what he has been doing under the name of archaeology, he hasn't lost his ability to detect. He would be allowed to keep the same items as he were allowed to before the restriction. I just think it would be something to check out.![]()
Hey Sweeden...I use my saab to go metal detecting and put all my finds in and use it to bing my finds home .sweeden making laws to cover every aspect of humanity.next they will require a permit to grow a garden or tell you what to grow... what next....?
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4dd3, sorry to hear of your plight. Your post was very well written. Although it's "too little too late" to do anything about it now, But some questions about the background :
a) you've only been into the hobby since 2013, and
b) there were a few hundred hobbyist by that time in 2013, and
c) since it had a "permit" system already in place at that time in 2013, then...
d) Do you know what precipitated that ? Ie.: have you ever talked to old-timers to see WHY THERE WAS EVEN A "PERMIT" dreamed up in the first place ? What put md'ing on the govt's or archies plate in the first place, to dream that up ?
The reason I ask is: Obviously this "constant presence" on their bureaucratic plate, is what eventually brought about the current dilemma. It's only a matter of time before someone thinks "Gee do we really want all these yahoos digging up our past ?" and "Gee, this costs us time to process these". Hence much better if it were silent on the subject. Yes I realize this isn't helping you any now. It's too little too late. But this should serve as a reminder for other md'rs and other countries to NOT make themselves a giant bullseye
Goes to show that the LESS they think of us, the better. Some people think of "permits" as good. As a sort of carte-blanche ability. Happy to have in the pocket so you can whip out to show people, eh ? But as your post shows: It always only ever leads to silly rules. And/or eventual abolishments.
I agree with you 4dd3 : The more you gripe (as md'rs here are trigger happy to advocate) THE MORE RULES AGAINST YOU IT WILL CREATE. In fact, I'll bet that even has something to do with the reason why the current situation exists. And you're right: Any griping or clarification or petitioning you do, will have to cross the desk of Govt. archies. And ...we all know they hate md'rs. You are simply not going to win.
I'll bet that in the entire country of Sweden there's only a handful of purist govt. archies. (yet 100's and 100's of md'rs) The odds of those few archies ever happen-chancing on to an md'r is very slim. So the worst thing you can do, is to make yourselves an even bigger bullseye for them to "think about". But yes, I agree, it's too late now and this is "too little too late".
If I were in Sweden, I can tell you what I'd be doing right now. I'll leave that to your imagination.
.... there are just a handful archeologists in the entire country. I think we have like 2-3 just in my entire province.....
... 4dd3's post could be taken as a warning as to how things could "Creep" up on us all, as it did in Sweden.....
Sorry TH.What I posted had to do with metal detecting though.Cant metal detect without land![]()
Sorry TH.What I posted had to do with metal detecting though.Cant metal detect without land![]()
No biggy buddyI understand, although I agree with your post, the post still falls under politics. thanks for understanding.
4dd3, thanx for taking a stab at that.
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So I wonder if those "2 or 3 people" were brought to this "pressing need for a law" by virtue of all the people coming from abroad in the early '90s. (Eg.: Poles and Latvians & local Sweeds), who perhaps sought to know, before going to detect: "What are the rules/laws here?" Makes perfect sense to inquire ahead of time after all, eh ? You wouldn't want trouble, eh ?
Otherwise, we are to assume that the 2 or 3 purist archies were randomly out and about ? And saw various md'rs and thought "oh no, we must make a law" ? Yes that's possible. But I have to wonder if the md'rs , back in those earlier days, didn't make THEMSELVES a giant bullseye. Which started that ball rolling ?
Yes I realize it's "too little too late" on that. And too late on the current one . But ... curious because of those persons who read a post like this, and will think "Oh no! Coming to a country near you!". Like sprailroad's post:
The knee-jerk reaction is to get pre-emptive. And to now think "the sky is falling". Go fight. Go seek clarifications. Go create solidarities, etc... But I wonder if that's VERY SPOTLIGHT that brought about the restrictions in the first place.
... Do you really think I am now running around crying "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"? ......