Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

[Shortfinger]

Just a couple of general comments: First, the entire premise of this particular thread was to have a place to post any and all miscellaneous stories, data, etc., many not even as closely related to Tayopa as the El Naranjal topic, so there is no reason for Oro to worry about being off topic, since he is not. Second, how about we agree to call the mine "an" El Naranjal mine, but necessarily "the" El Naranjal mine.



JB

 

[rockhound]

Sure all these things happened for one reason or another. Many ranchers dynamited mines after the miners left so they could run their cattle on the open range then. Other landowners who owned adjoining land simple broke down any barriers and claimed the land and mines for themselves, especially after records were destroyed. In some towns, especially deadwood, even the sheriff was in on the take most times and allowed wealth ranchers to have their way with these abandoned properties, for a fee of course. In Utah especially and in many other places that were mined by the Spanish long ago, many ranchers went out of their way to hide or conceal evidence to prevent prospectors from finding those mines. Good luck. rockhound

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Oro de Tayopa. I have taken the liberty of copying some of your statements from the Naranjal thread;

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The mention of a hidden side canyon agrees with another version I read some years ago (in a magazine, wish I could remember which one) - by any chance did he mention the presence of rather large boulders close by the entrance to the side canyon

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See pictures, are these by any chance the boulders or small hills referred to

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Oro, another of your posts in El Naranjar

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If favor of this theory, we could note that Napoleon III had a plan (and maps) to build a railroad to Tayopa and el Naranjal, which we have no details on but in the way it was mentioned, could be taken to mean that a single railroad could run to both locations without any great divergence of route, suggesting that they may be in close proximity. Without Napoleon's maps, it is impossible to say what was in his plan, as far as I could learn not even Maximilian had the full details.
Oroblanco

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Accordding to your statement, hey are close to each other, as They are !

 

[Not Peralta]

La Mandarina ?? nah, let's call it the 'Oro de Tayopa'. ( Tayopa was Silver ) And it is in line with the general theme of the forum. Which includes Burros such as yourself

Amigo's speaking of burro's. why not call it "Oro De Tayopa Escondido burro"MMMMMMMMMMMMMM np

 

[Shortfinger]

Oro, another of your posts in El Naranjar

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If favor of this theory, we could note that Napoleon III had a plan (and maps) to build a railroad to Tayopa and el Naranjal, which we have no details on but in the way it was mentioned, could be taken to mean that a single railroad could run to both locations without any great divergence of route, suggesting that they may be in close proximity. Without Napoleon's maps, it is impossible to say what was in his plan, as far as I could learn not even Maximilian had the full details.
Oroblanco


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Accordding to your statement, hey are close to each other, as They are !

Don Jose,
I'm going to throw out another possible here. The "Juana del Arco" was supposed to be close to "El Naranjal". Since there are numerous mines associated with Tayopa, and at least some of them show some evidence of being worked after the Jesuits departed (at least, I seem to remember you saying something like that in one of the threads here), it is entirely possible that one of those was the mine known as "Juana del Arco". I would say the preponderance of evidence (most of it, of course, circumstantial) is tilting in your direction. More coffee?



JB

 

[tintin_treasure]

Based on the discussions ,It seems there is quiet a lot of activity in search and discovery of lost mines that folks like me know nothing about while we are merely chasing buried and hidden treasures...Is the 'Tayopa' mine project a code word for the lost gold mine of Ophir people searched for ages?..On a serious note what is your take on Ophir?..it has been suggested literally everywhere on the globe ,,from middle east,to Africa to Asia ,to Latina America and to western Europe.

TT

 

[Oroblanco]

Oro, another of your posts in El Naranjar

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If favor of this theory, we could note that Napoleon III had a plan (and maps) to build a railroad to Tayopa and el Naranjal, which we have no details on but in the way it was mentioned, could be taken to mean that a single railroad could run to both locations without any great divergence of route, suggesting that they may be in close proximity. Without Napoleon's maps, it is impossible to say what was in his plan, as far as I could learn not even Maximilian had the full details.
Oroblanco

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Accordding to your statement, hey are close to each other, as They are !

Hmm it seems that you may be misunderstanding that old post. I wrote that it COULD be, not MUST be in proximity. A very big difference. Just like I COULD be wrong, and that you indeed have the most famous lost mine in Sinaloa, in Chihuaha/Sonora area far north, along with the seventeen other mines of Tayopa.
However lets re-examine it. You say your Naranjal fits in almost every particular.

The Lost El Naranjal, a mine with a gigantic pile of rich gold ore dug from it and stockpiled inside is located in the area of El Naranjo, east of Los Mochis and about 100 miles southwest of the Seven Cities ruins site in the vicinity of the small stream named Evera Mocorito. The ancient diggings are on a high mesa in the shadow of a towering mountain.

That does not sound at all like your Tayopa region to me.

IF we wish to call up our OLD posts, we might note what you yourself posted:

HIO: Ed from what i understand Naranjal lies east of Cosala, Sinaloa, below Culican inside of Durango. on the rio San Lorenzo drainage.

Don Jose de La Mancha

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/tayopa/36414-el-naranjal-3.html#post610517

That too, does not sound like your Tayopa region to me.

I would watch whom I start calling a burro, arriero!

Shortfinger wrote

I'm going to throw out another possible here. The "Juana del Arco" was supposed to be close to "El Naranjal". Since there are numerous mines associated with Tayopa, and at least some of them show some evidence of being worked after the Jesuits departed (at least, I seem to remember you saying something like that in one of the threads here), it is entirely possible that one of those was the mine known as "Juana del Arco".

Great theory except that all of the mines associated with Tayopa already have names, none of which are Juana de Arco.

Not Peralta wrote

Amigo's speaking of burro's. why not call it "Oro De Tayopa Escondido burro

"MMMMMMMMMMMMMM np

More of that donkey juice amigo? Sheesh we have got to get you some proper coffee! Heck even some roasted wheat with a bit of chicory in it would be an improvement!

Speaking of which, it is coffee time anyway!

 

[Simon1]

Its getting to were you cant do anything any more without some one watching .he is proud to donate,See how his ears are back,thats good and fresh.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.cant get any better than that,anyone have a bucket.np

C'mon NP, if it was that good, why don't we see him coming back to "re-cycle" it, so to speak ? ? ? ?

 

[Not Peralta]

C'mon NP, if it was that good, why don't we see him coming back to "re-cycle" it, so to speak ? ? ? ?

Amigo, we have been to busy with inventing an automatic juice recovery system,If I could just convince the burro to wear a different color of lipstick,always orders the same old same old,O well,at least the burro wears a different scarf and vest. got to go,have to interview someone for the juice machine.np

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

So I have an open mind == new evidence, new ideas.Oro de tayopa

 

[Simon1]

Just equip them with "Depends", then ring them out. Why do I suddenly feel like switching to Green Tea ?

 

[Shortfinger]

Shortfinger wrote


Great theory except that all of the mines associated with Tayopa already have names, none of which are Juana de Arco.


Speaking of which, it is coffee time anyway!

True. However, However, all 17 of the Tayopa mines were named long before the time frame for the El Naranjal, and were long lost by that time. As has been noted many times here is this thread, mine names are continually changing, not only in Mexico, but north of the border as well. Any of the Tayopa mines "discovered" during the time frame of El Naranjal would be very unlikely to be given the original name, as no one would be aware of the fact that it was one of the mines of the Tayopa complex. I don't insist on this, it is possible that Juana del Arco is an entirely separate mine from any of the Tayopa complex, but it still may be associated with the mineralization of the region. I doubt that the Jesuits found every single vein outcropping in this incredibly difficult terrain. Some coffee while we think about this?



JB

 

[Oroblanco]

True. However, However, all 17 of the Tayopa mines were named long before the time frame for the El Naranjal, and were long lost by that time. As has been noted many times here is this thread, mine names are continually changing, not only in Mexico, but north of the border as well. Any of the Tayopa mines "discovered" during the time frame of El Naranjal would be very unlikely to be given the original name, as no one would be aware of the fact that it was one of the mines of the Tayopa complex. I don't insist on this, it is possible that Juana del Arco is an entirely separate mine from any of the Tayopa complex, but it still may be associated with the mineralization of the region. I doubt that the Jesuits found every single vein outcropping in this incredibly difficult terrain. Some coffee while we think about this?



JB

It is possible that the Lost Dutchman mine is one of those 17 named mines of Tayopa as well, perhaps it was the Remedios or Virgin?

Usually with lost mines, the area where most treasure hunters have been searching, is the right area. Most of the treasure hunters hunting for El Naranjal look in Sinaloa and Durango. Lost mines are scattered all over Mexico and the US (and Canada and South America too) it is not a case that all of them are "funneled" into one spot.

The way I see it, why not go ahead and start mining this Naranjal of Don Jose' and see what the ore looks like? Perhaps the ore will help tilt the balance for his argument? Or perhaps he won't give a flying crap because he will be so rich?

Actually Shortfinger amigo your post sounds a bit like more 'shoe-fitting' to try to make it fit. Could be, possibly, could be &c. Also I would point out that there are no Jesuits or Franciscans or Dominicans or any other priestly Order involved in the story of El Naranjal, just a wealthy landowner. Of course there was a small chapel at the hacienda, likely for his workers and family, but the mine was not among the Jesuits numerous holdings as far as I could determine. There is no mention of it by Nentvig for instance, yet he does mention Teopira and other mines closely associated with the Jesuits.

NO donkey excretions, coffee?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Anyone for the Explorers club dinner at the Waldorf Astoria ? You can be my guest, I can't go, but you pay and go---- am broke, not rich as Oro de Tayopa suggests

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

https://explorers.org/about/112th_annual_dinner_ticketing

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

now back to normalcy. Oro de Naranjal/Tayopa, I can't account for the hacienda, but on the Western side of the sierra de obscuro are the remains of a large, unknown Hacienda.in a barranca, with oranges. Only a few miles / Kilometrs away/ Perhaps, just perhaps ?

Where do you think the Joan of Arc is located

 

[Oroblanco]

now back to normalcy. Oro de Naranjal/Tayopa, I can't account for the hacienda, but on the Western side of the sierra de obscuro are the remains of a large, unknown Hacienda.in a barranca, with oranges. Only a few miles / Kilometrs away/ Perhaps, just perhaps ?

Where do you think the Joan of Arc is located

Probably in a side canyon of the Rio San Lorenzo, within a few leagues of the hacienda of El Naranjal.

Side point here but remember that Henry Flipper found documents proving that Tayopa was real, before Tayopa was found. Has anyone done a thorough search for documents pertaining to El Naranjal?

Unfortunately can't attend the Club, thanks for the invite; not sure if the Waldorf serves burgers and fries, and probably doesn't allow smoking so I won't feel too bad about being left out this time.

 

[Simon1]

Probably in a side canyon of the Rio San Lorenzo, within a few leagues of the hacienda of El Naranjal.

Side point here but remember that Henry Flipper found documents proving that Tayopa was real, before Tayopa was found. Has anyone done a thorough search for documents pertaining to El Naranjal?

Unfortunately can't attend the Club, thanks for the invite; not sure if the Waldorf serves burgers and fries, and probably doesn't allow smoking so I won't feel too bad about being left out this time.

Don't sell yourself short there Oro, I'll bet more than half those members are big time smokers as well as McDonald Charter members.

 

[tintin_treasure]

Enjoy this 1911 Chicago tribune article on treasure hunting summarizing many yarns from around the world.It is a critical article but one can see how several yarns were told before the treasure hunting fever started in 1920s.It is an interesting piece.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1911/01/22/page/52/article/lure-of-the-sunken-treasure

TT