My beliefs on dowsing

[ClonedSIM]

Sorry about that....I didn't take the time to check the spelling...It is Radiodynamometer....Art

I wasn't having any luck finding a definition for radiodynamometer either. I found a dynamometer, but it seems to be useful for measuring weight and that's about it. How does a radiodynamometer work?

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Gee af....I don't know the how the thing works..It was in use in 1939...All I know is that something turns the disk and that i went to the other side of the jar and my rods closed...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Gee af....I don't know the how the thing works..It was in use in 1939...All I know is that something turns the disk and that i went to the other side of the jar and my rods closed...Art

So, you don't know how the radiodynamometer works, but it somehow proves to you that all objects emit energy? Is there a similar machine available today?

 

[aarthrj3811]

So, you don't know how the radiodynamometer works, but it somehow proves to you that all objects emit energy? Is there a similar machine available today?

….Make a radiodynamometer and give it a try…..When you see for yourself that the disk turns a different amount of degrees for each object that is placed beside it, try to explain to me how this happens if they do not emit some sort of energy. This energy will make a set of Dowsing rods cross.

If you can’t do the two simple experiments that I have posted that prove you are completely wrong in your theory of dowsing it is because you are not willing to admit that dowsing works…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

So, you don't know how the radiodynamometer works, but it somehow proves to you that all objects emit energy? Is there a similar machine available today?

….Make a radiodynamometer and give it a try…..When you see for yourself that the disk turns a different amount of degrees for each object that is placed beside it, try to explain to me how this happens if they do not emit some sort of energy. This energy will make a set of Dowsing rods cross.

If you can’t do the two simple experiments that I have posted that prove you are completely wrong in your theory of dowsing it is because you are not willing to admit that dowsing works…Art

Touchy, are we? Forgive me, for I didn't realize that questioning a machine that I can't seem to locate any information on and that apparently hasn't been used in almost 70 years would create such a thorn in your side.

Maybe....just maybe....is it possible that this radiodynamometer you seem to put so much stock into doesn't really do what you claim it does?

I mean, you don't know what the machine does, how it works or what it measures. Chances are you don't know who created it or whether it's even in use anymore. Isn't it logical that you shouldn't make assumptions about what it may or may not be telling you?

Looking at your description of the machine, it seems likely that the heat of your hand going near the jar to place objects could cause the aluminum foil to warm slightly and that could explain the turning. Or, even more likely, the spiderweb of glue warms and causes the turning.

But Art, let's be practical here. To say this device proves that objects emit energy it getting way ahead of yourself, isn't it?

 

[aarthrj3811]

This is the book where I got the information about the Radionameter.

Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of Matter, Divining Rods, Electric Waves
By Dr. Paul E. Dobler, Ph.D

http://www.rexresearch.com/dobler/dobler.htm

http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=biophysical-experiments

Look it up if you dare…You will learn nothing unless you have a good search engine..Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

This is the book where I got the information about the Radionameter.

Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of Matter, Divining Rods, Electric Waves
By Dr. Paul E. Dobler, Ph.D

http://www.rexresearch.com/dobler/dobler.htm

http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=biophysical-experiments

Look it up if you dare…You will learn nothing unless you have a good search engine..Art

Please tell me, what's the correct spelling?

Radiodymometer, Radiodynamometer , or Radionameter? A search engine is useless if you have no idea what you're searching for or how to spell it....

Of course, if you have the book, then surely you can tell us what this machine is supposed to do?

Wait, wait...let me make a prediction....Art's response, "Why should I tell you what it does? Look it up yourself!"

 

[aarthrj3811]

Radiodynamometer....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Radiodynamometer....Art

Okay, searched Radiodynamometer in Google, Yahoo and Wikipedia. I fould several links to posts on T'Net and another forum, all from you, and a couple of links like the ones you've described above. Looks like only you and Dobler use this machine.

Unfortunately I was unable to locate a description of the machine and it's use except for one written in German, which I cannot read. I did notice than Dobler was really into dowsing, though. Maybe this machine is one of those things you have to believe in before it will work.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Great dialogue guys. I do enjoy reading both (and I mean both) sides, trying to see who has left questions unanswered (even if I have to agree it's the skeptic's side).

Dell, you say "every career skeptic that posts on here tries to tie applications of Electronics to Mental dowsing. Why is that?" To this I would have to answer that it is based in the very question I asked earlier: If you (or another dowser) tries to explain mental dowsing by using electronic or electrical terms and theory (signal lines "that can be measured" and such), THAT is how electronics and electrical get entered into a thread. I mean, how is it fair that a dowser brings up the topic, but it can't be cross-questioned? Yes, I admit that when dowsers bring up terms and phrases along those lines, they are NOT referring to the banned subject of LRL (dowsing rods with batterys and wires in them). I grant you that. But nonetheless, electronics and electrical was brought up as it pertains to mental dowsing. So as such, it should be permitted to be talked about, cross-questioned, etc...., as long as it doesn't devolve into LRLs.

If you disagree with that, then I can only guess that means that you could no longer put out theories as to how dowsing works, if you do think it has scientific merit, which naturally .... would lead to electronic and electrical words. I don't want you to NOT be able to explain. I mean, if you truly believe that mental dowsing works in a certain way, the by all means, you should be able to float those theories & explanations. So I'm not lobbying for your hands being tied too, I'm just lobbying that someone else should be able to respond to mental dowsing.

Look back over pro-dowsers (yes, even mental dowsing) threads, and you will see what I mean. They are heavily laced with electronic and electrical terms. Nothing wrong with that! If that's what is here to be discussed, so be it! I think the moderaters original rules were to quell the discussion of LRL related electronics, not all electronics/electrical altogether. Can we all agree with that?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Dr. Paul E. Dobler of Heilbronn, Germany discovered that turbulent water emits powerful bursts of energy in the millimeter electronic wave band. Turbulent motion of water generates millions of vortexes which act as energy transmitters.

This energy waveband was once called the X-band by physicists as it included the range from the infrared light band to the edge of the microwave radio band. It was called the X-band because no one could differentiate specific frequencies in this band. These energies have very interesting properties.

Dr. Dobler discovered that energies in this waveband could cause certain metallic crystals to emit photons of light which will expose certain tpes of chromatic film. Dr. Dobler made interferometers, resonators, and other devices that could accurately measure the wavelengths emitted by water.

He was also able to measure millimeter wavelengths that are emitted by crystals and magnets. The exact techniques used by Dobler are described in his two books: Biophysikalische Untersuchungen uber Stralung der Materie, Wunchelrute, Elecktrische Wellen (Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of matter, Divining Rods, Electric Waves, 1939) and Physickalischer und Photographischer machweis de Erdstrahlen Losung des Problems der Wunschelrute (Physical and Photographic Proof of Radiation from the Earth, 1934). Unfortunately this great scientist's work was lost for many years due to the destruction of scientific libraries in Germany during WWII.

These waves were also photographed in 1898 by Dr Gustav LeBon in France. His experiments are described in his masterpiece, The Evolution of Matter (1909). Dr. LeBon used energized zinc sulfide plates to make these photographs. When zinc sulfide is exposed to bright light it glows in the dark. When it is exposed to infrared and millimeter waves, these waves extinguish the photon emission of the zinc plate. By focusing these waves by means of special devices, photographs can be taken through walls. Both LeBon and Dobler were able to demonstrate the power of these waves to penetrate all physical matter such as wood, earth and stones. These waves are, however, powerfully absorbed by water...


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Dr Paul Dobler's German Patent

DE698496

 

[Tom_in_CA]

"powerful bursts of energy in the millimeter electronic wave band" Interesting Art.

Question though: are these terms teetering on electronics (I mean, they blatantly even use the words). Can we talk about them? (ie.: not "banned", right?)

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Tom….I think it would be alright…We are talking about a simple instrument the measures what objects emit…If I am wrong I think Jeff will let us know…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Look back over pro-dowsers (yes, even mental dowsing) threads, and you will see what I mean. They are heavily laced with electronic and electrical terms. Nothing wrong with that! If that's what is here to be discussed, so be it! I think the moderaters original rules were to quell the discussion of LRL related electronics, not all electronics/electrical altogether. Can we all agree with that?

Hear hear!

 

[ClonedSIM]

Dr. Paul E. Dobler of Heilbronn, Germany discovered that turbulent water emits powerful bursts of energy in the millimeter electronic wave band. Turbulent motion of water generates millions of vortexes which act as energy transmitters.

This energy waveband was once called the X-band by physicists as it included the range from the infrared light band to the edge of the microwave radio band. It was called the X-band because no one could differentiate specific frequencies in this band. These energies have very interesting properties.

Dr. Dobler discovered that energies in this waveband could cause certain metallic crystals to emit photons of light which will expose certain tpes of chromatic film. Dr. Dobler made interferometers, resonators, and other devices that could accurately measure the wavelengths emitted by water.

He was also able to measure millimeter wavelengths that are emitted by crystals and magnets. The exact techniques used by Dobler are described in his two books: Biophysikalische Untersuchungen uber Stralung der Materie, Wunchelrute, Elecktrische Wellen (Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of matter, Divining Rods, Electric Waves, 1939) and Physickalischer und Photographischer machweis de Erdstrahlen Losung des Problems der Wunschelrute (Physical and Photographic Proof of Radiation from the Earth, 1934). Unfortunately this great scientist's work was lost for many years due to the destruction of scientific libraries in Germany during WWII.

These waves were also photographed in 1898 by Dr Gustav LeBon in France. His experiments are described in his masterpiece, The Evolution of Matter (1909). Dr. LeBon used energized zinc sulfide plates to make these photographs. When zinc sulfide is exposed to bright light it glows in the dark. When it is exposed to infrared and millimeter waves, these waves extinguish the photon emission of the zinc plate. By focusing these waves by means of special devices, photographs can be taken through walls. Both LeBon and Dobler were able to demonstrate the power of these waves to penetrate all physical matter such as wood, earth and stones. These waves are, however, powerfully absorbed by water...


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Dr Paul Dobler's German Patent

DE698496

I read all this in the links you provided, Art, but I'm afraid I'm still failing to make the connection to the Radiodynamometer and what it's supposed to measure.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey af…I didn’t expect you to understand the experiment. It proves that objects produce energy that can be measured…Nothing more…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey af…I didn’t expect you to understand the experiment. It proves that objects produce energy that can be measured…Nothing more…Art

It proves nothing since you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures.

You assume that since Dobler worked with various types of energy this Radiodynamometer must measure energy. You haven't take into account any other factors. All you did was see what you wanted to.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Radiodynamometer

I learned a lot from this a simple instrument. I experimented for months with it. I learned that the emissions from the objects were the strongest in the 4 cardinal directions. I found that the 4 cardinal directions were the best place to locate objects with two dowsing rods. I don’t need to know what kind of signals object emit, I just need to know how to use them. How do they make the rods cross…I know that the signals enter my foot through my heels. I know that my right hand is positive and my left hand is negative. I know I have 100 mill volts running between my hands. What I don’t know is how these signals make the rods cross. I do know that when I stand on a signal line the rods will cross and if I raise either foot off the ground the rods will open. That tells me that this signal is flowing through my body. Am I dowsing? Heck I don’t know. All I know is what I am doing lets me find objects …Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 12:20:10 PM
Hey af…I didn’t expect you to understand the experiment. It proves that objects produce energy that can be measured…Nothing more…Art

It proves nothing since you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures.

You assume that since Dobler worked with various types of energy this Radiodynamometer must measure energy. You haven't take into account any other factors. All you did was see what you wanted to.

1000 % correct....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 12:20:10 PM
Hey af…I didn’t expect you to understand the experiment. It proves that objects produce energy that can be measured…Nothing more…Art

It proves nothing since you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures.

You assume that since Dobler worked with various types of energy this Radiodynamometer must measure energy. You haven't take into account any other factors. All you did was see what you wanted to.

1000 % correct....Art

Glad to see you agree that a Radiodynamometer proves nothing. Maybe there's hope for you yet.