My beliefs on dowsing

[aarthrj3811]

Glad to see you agree that a Radiodynamometer proves nothing. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

Yes it proves nothing…The only thing that a book or an experiment can tell you is what you are willing to learn…Art

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Glad to see you agree that a Radiodynamometer proves nothing. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

Yes it proves nothing…The only thing that a book or an experiment can tell you is what you are willing to learn…Art

That's true. Of course, one can easily skew that learning by only reading books that agree with their point of view, or by only performing experiments they already know the outcomes of.

Here's what I'm guessing, Art. This little Radiodynamometer thing was pointed out to you, so you tried it. Your rods crossed at some point, so you automatically assume that all objects send out energy signals that flow predominately in the cardinal directions.

If the Radiodynamometer had done nothing at all, you never would have mentioned it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

As I have pointed out before…I checked many objects…Of course I was most interested in gold and silver. The thing that amazed me was that an onion turned the disk more than anything else that I tried. This is a valid experiment. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. This week we have studied the Ideomotor response and the fact that objects omit a signal that can be measured. That answers all your questions. The only thing that can be determined is that Dowsing Works and the fact that you and Jerry have been proved to wrong…Now I have to figure out how to prove Toms problem...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

As I have pointed out before…I checked many objects…Of course I was most interested in gold and silver. The thing that amazed me was that an onion turned the disk more than anything else that I tried. This is a valid experiment. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. This week we have studied the Ideomotor response and the fact that objects omit a signal that can be measured. That answers all your questions. The only thing that can be determined is that Dowsing Works and the fact that you have been proved to wrong…Art

Ding, ding, ding, ding.....
Let's play; WHAT'S WRONG WITH ART'S POST?!?!?!?!?
1. This is a valid experiment. As has been shown, you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures. How can you possibly claim it's a valid experiment when you don't even know what you're doing?
2. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. You didn't create a vacuum, so the jar is not air-proof.
3. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. Smell excuse? What smell excuse?
4. the fact that objects omit a signal that can be measured. What are you referring to, because it can't possibly be the Radiodynamometer. See #1.
5. That answers all your questions. Not quite. Radiodynamometer; What is it, what does it measure, how does it work?
6. The only thing that can be determined is that Dowsing Works and the fact that you have been proved to wrong....Art This one is just too easy.

Seems like the only fact in your post is your name, Art....

 

[aarthrj3811]

This is a valid experiment. As has been shown, you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures. How can you possible claim it's a valid experiment when you don't even know what you're doing?

Did the disk not turn…What turned the disk? The book as simple instructions on how to do the experiments. So simple that anyone can do the experiments

2. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. You didn't create a vacuum, so the jar is not air-proof.

When you put a jar in the fridge do you suck the air out of it

4. the fact that objects omit a signal that can be measured. What are you referring to, because it can't possibly be the Radiodynamometer. See #1.

Don’t you wish

5. That answers all your questions. Not quite. Radiodynamometer; What is it, what does it measure, how does it work?

It measures emissions from objects

The only thing that can be determined is that Dowsing Works and the fact that you have been proved to wrong....Art This one is just too easy

.

I have to agree

Seems like the only fact in your post is your name, Art....

Another wrong fact....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Whew, this is quite a mess, Art. Let's see if I can sort it out a little:

This is a valid experiment. As has been shown, you don't know what a Radiodynamometer is, what a Radiodynamometer does, nor what a Radiodynamometer measures. How can you possible claim it's a valid experiment when you don't even know what you're doing?

Did the disk not turn…What turned the disk? The book as simple instructions on how to do the experiments. So simple that anyone can do the experiments

That's a great question Art. What did turn the disk? Certainly if you have the book and it's so simple anyone can do the experiments, surely it actually tells you what is turning the disk, i.e. the point of the experiment?

2. The jar is air proof so don’t give me that smell excuse. You didn't create a vacuum, so the jar is not air-proof.

When you put a jar in the fridge do you suck the air out of it

Huh? The jar isn't air-proof because you didn't create a vacuum in the jar. There is air in the jar, so it is not air-proof. Simple, really it is. What does this have to do with putting a jar in the fridge?

4. the fact that objects omit a signal that can be measured. What are you referring to, because it can't possibly be the Radiodynamometer. See #1.

Don’t you wish

Don't I wish what? I wish you could find the time between splattering this thread with your nonsense to just explain what this machine is and what it's supposed to do. That's what I wish, Art.

5. That answers all your questions. Not quite. Radiodynamometer; What is it, what does it measure, how does it work?

It measures emissions from objects

Now we're getting somewhere! Okay, it's measuring emissions from objects? Great.

What kind of emissions?
What unit of measure does it use?
How does it communicate the amount of emissions to you?

Seems like the only fact in your post is your name, Art....

Another wrong fact....Art

Umm, so you got your name wrong?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Bottom line is dowsers have an innate fear of seeing that all they believe in is incorrect and can't stand up to a simple test.

Do you know what day of the week it is, Dell? Have you taken any falls lately? Any bumps to the head?

Care to discuss common sense with me, Dell? It'd really be a stretch for you, I know.

What part of "information leakage" do you not understand, Art? Could you not find a listing in your Wikipedia


I saw some of those down at my local rock and gem shop, Art. How much did you pay for yours?

And here goes Art again, ignoring the most basic scientific findings and pretending he holds the secret to the universe that everyone else is searching for.

Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

I've tried to tell them you just have to pick the rocks up, but they insist that they can't find them without the coathangers.

None are so blind as those that refuse to see.....

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existance of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

Again, read man! Before you go spouting off perhaps you should have at least the tiniest comprehension of the conversation?

You don't get it, Art, and you never will. I for one am tired of trying to teach you anything.

You have nothing intelligent to add to a conversation and simply clutter up this board with your nonsense.

Oh no, wait. I get it now. Art doesn't understand the definition he quoted himself. Try this. Read the definition again, sound out the bigger words or ask someone for help, then get back with us.

I'm actually amazed that you were able to understand Occam's Razor enough to come to that conclusion. Aren't you glad the wool has been lifted from your eyes?

"Bearing false witness..."

How's that grab ya, Art?


No. But, like the old saying goes, if an infinite number of monkeys banged on an infinite number of typewriters....

And the winner is….

Stick with what I can prove? Well, I've proven that you have the vocabulary of a 9-year-old and the mentailty of a 12-year-old. Your knowledge of reading and comprehension is so bad it seems you did not graduate 6th grade.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Bottom line is dowsers have an innate fear of seeing that all they believe in is incorrect and can't stand up to a simple test.

Do you know what day of the week it is, Dell? Have you taken any falls lately? Any bumps to the head?

Care to discuss common sense with me, Dell? It'd really be a stretch for you, I know.

What part of "information leakage" do you not understand, Art? Could you not find a listing in your Wikipedia


I saw some of those down at my local rock and gem shop, Art. How much did you pay for yours?

And here goes Art again, ignoring the most basic scientific findings and pretending he holds the secret to the universe that everyone else is searching for.

Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

I've tried to tell them you just have to pick the rocks up, but they insist that they can't find them without the coathangers.

None are so blind as those that refuse to see.....

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existance of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

Again, read man! Before you go spouting off perhaps you should have at least the tiniest comprehension of the conversation?

You don't get it, Art, and you never will. I for one am tired of trying to teach you anything.

You have nothing intelligent to add to a conversation and simply clutter up this board with your nonsense.

Oh no, wait. I get it now. Art doesn't understand the definition he quoted himself. Try this. Read the definition again, sound out the bigger words or ask someone for help, then get back with us.

I'm actually amazed that you were able to understand Occam's Razor enough to come to that conclusion. Aren't you glad the wool has been lifted from your eyes?

"Bearing false witness..."

How's that grab ya, Art?


No. But, like the old saying goes, if an infinite number of monkeys banged on an infinite number of typewriters....

And the winner is….

Stick with what I can prove? Well, I've proven that you have the vocabulary of a 9-year-old and the mentailty of a 12-year-old. Your knowledge of reading and comprehension is so bad it seems you did not graduate 6th grade.

Don't be afraid to ask me to explain some of the more complex lines, okay Art?

Oh, and by the way:
Okay, it's measuring emissions from objects? Great.

What kind of emissions?
What unit of measure does it use?
How does it communicate the amount of emissions to you?

 

[aarthrj3811]

What kind of emissions?
What unit of measure does it use?
How does it communicate the amount of emissions to you?

I hope you can understand this…Dr.Paul Dobler PHD says he was measuring millimeter electronic wave band.. This was in the 1930’s. It is my understanding that the Radiodynamometer has evolved into what is known as a MRI machine. It turns the alum disk a different amount of degrees for each object that you check. …Art


"The door to knowledge & understanding is always open, I can’t make you come in and want to learn"…Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI af mi friend: You said--->

"Looking at your description of the machine, it seems likely that the heat of your hand going near the jar to place objects could cause the aluminum foil to warm slightly and that could explain the turning. Or, even more likely, the spiderweb of glue warms and causes the turning."
~~~~~~~~~

Being of a true scientific mind, and wanting to actually learn instead of merely down grading someone, why don't you just built it and test it yourself

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Af, you say: "The only thing that can be determined is that Dowsing Works" A results oriented explanation. Not trying to pin it to science or nature. I'm ok with that

As for the "Radiodynamometer", if there is something that can be shown, to proove that ordinary innert objects, like coins or treasures (let's forget water for the moment) emit signals that can be measured for distances, I'd be interested in seeing a link. Surely in this day and age of any possible subject a person can dream up, being a click-away, there ought to be something about this on the net? I mean, all the things you're saying are interesting, but of course, it's just you saying them here (nothing wrong with that). Just wondering if there's a base source (science journal? encyclopedic entry? etc...) that talks about this. And not only that, but how these "signals", can make an ordinary brass rod turn. Thanx.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Tom: Try a version of psychotronics as developed in Czechoslakia.. The gentleman in question developed a series of aluminum objects that were moved , charged , and / or controlled with the mind only. I will have to see if I can relocate a web with the information, unless yuo beat me to it.

Don Jose de La Mancha.

 

[ClonedSIM]

HI af mi friend: You said--->

"Looking at your description of the machine, it seems likely that the heat of your hand going near the jar to place objects could cause the aluminum foil to warm slightly and that could explain the turning. Or, even more likely, the spiderweb of glue warms and causes the turning."
~~~~~~~~~

Being of a true scientific mind, and wanting to actually learn instead of merely down grading someone, why don't you just built it and test it yourself

Don Jose de La Mancha

On paper this looks great, but the problem is that we have no clue what the original intent of the machine was. Another big issue I'm having is the fact that there only seem to be two sources of this information, Art and Dobler. That alone is very telling.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Real de Tayopa, you say: "controlled with the mind only" That sounds more like supernaturally based, eh?

 

[ClonedSIM]

What kind of emissions?
What unit of measure does it use?
How does it communicate the amount of emissions to you?

I hope you can understand this…Dr.Paul Dobler PHD says he was measuring millimeter electronic wave band.. This was in the 1930’s. It is my understanding that the Radiodynamometer has evolved into what is known as a MRI machine. It turns the alum disk a different amount of degrees for each object that you check. …Art


"The door to knowledge & understanding is always open, I can’t make you come in and want to learn"…Art

And how did you come up with your understanding that the Radiodynamometer evolved into the MRI machine? I'm really curious about this one.

 

[aarthrj3811]

As for the "Radiodynamometer", if there is something that can be shown, to proove that ordinary innert objects, like coins or treasures (let's forget water for the moment) emit signals that can be measured for distances,

This instrument only tells us that inert objects emit energy that can be measured by how many degrees that an alum disk turns. Nothing about distance. I don’t need a test for distance as I can follow this energy to it’ source…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

As for the "Radiodynamometer", if there is something that can be shown, to proove that ordinary innert objects, like coins or treasures (let's forget water for the moment) emit signals that can be measured for distances,

This instrument only tells us that inert objects emit energy that can be measured by how many degrees that an alum disk turns. Nothing about distance. I don’t need a test for distance as I can follow this energy to it’ source…Art

I think you missed the really important pieces of Tom's post, Art.

As for the "Radiodynamometer", if there is something that can be shown, to proove that ordinary innert objects, like coins or treasures (let's forget water for the moment) emit signals that can be measured for distances, I'd be interested in seeing a link. Surely in this day and age of any possible subject a person can dream up, being a click-away, there ought to be something about this on the net? I mean, all the things you're saying are interesting, but of course, it's just you saying them here (nothing wrong with that). Just wondering if there's a base source (science journal? encyclopedic entry? etc...) that talks about this. And not only that, but how these "signals", can make an ordinary brass rod turn. Thanx.

Surely just an oversight on your part.

 

[aarthrj3811]

On paper this looks great, but the problem is that we have no clue what the original intent of the machine was. Another big issue I'm having is the fact that there only seem to be two sources of this information, Art and Dobler. That alone is very telling.

It is a simple device that was used to measure millimeter electronic wave band..

Have a Disney Day. ..Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

On paper this looks great, but the problem is that we have no clue what the original intent of the machine was. Another big issue I'm having is the fact that there only seem to be two sources of this information, Art and Dobler. That alone is very telling.

It is a simple device that was used to measure millimeter electronic wave band..

Have a Disney Day. ..Art

Okay, smarty. So tell me, if it's so simple......what's millimeter electronic wave band?

Don't say, "gee af, why don't you look it up?"
or
"gee, why should I do the work for you?"

You use the device and claim it does these amazing things, you should understand what it does. In fact, you should be able to rattle a definition right off the top of your head.

 

[aarthrj3811]

********* The X Band****************
Dr. Paul E. Dobler of Heilbronn, Germany discovered that turbulent water
emits powerful bursts of energy in the millimeter electronic wave band.
Turbulent motion of water generates millions of vortexes which act as
energy transmitters.


This energy waveband was once called the X-band by physicists as it
included the range from the infrared light band to the edge of the
microwave radio band. It was called the X-band because no one could
differentiate specific frequencies in this band. These energies have
very interesting properties.


Dr. Dobler discovered that energies in this waveband could cause certain
metallic crystals to emit photons of light which will expose certain
tpes of chromatic film.


Dr. Dobler made interferometers, resonators, and other devices that
could accurately measure the wavelengths emitted by water.


He was also able to measure millimeter wavelengths that are emitted by
crystals and magnets.


The exact techniques used by Dobler are described in his two books:
Biophysikalische Untersuchungen uber Stralung der Materie, Wunchelrute,
Elecktrische Wellen (Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of matter,
Divining Rods, Electric Waves, 1939) and Physickalischer und
Photographischer machweis de Erdstrahlen Losung des Problems der
Wunschelrute (Physical and Photographic Proof of Radiation from the
Earth, 1934).


Unfortunately this great scientist's work was lost for many years due to
the destruction of scientific libraries in Germany during WWII.
Consequently the techniques used for their generation and detection rely
on a mixture of optical and radio wave techniques. Such systems might
use aerials,optical lenses,metal lenses, mirrors and circuits. Because
of this the technology is often referred to as 'quasi optics'.


At 0.1 THz (just above 10=B9=B2 Hz) the waves can be detected using a
radio which operates in much the same way as a car radio. The only
difference is that the aerial or antenna is only a millimetre long. The
whole radio can fit into an area of only 2 mm2.


This image (not shown) shows an artists impression of a simple terahertz
radio receiver. The pyramidal horn is made from stacked layers of etched
silicon. This focuses the terahertz waves onto the T shaped aerial at
the bottom which carries the signal to the detector Because of this the
technology relies on extremely precise components which until recently
have been incredibly expensive (it is not unusual for a single terahertz
component to cost more than 75,000 Euros).


Due to the expense, terahertz systems have only really been used in
areas of technology where cost is not an issue such as Space Science and
Astronomy.

Recently, however, the cost of manufacture has been dramatically reduced
such that newer everyday uses may be envisioned..


This has been possible by borrowing some of the technologies that have
been developed by the silicon chip industry. By using printing or
lithography, terahertz circuits and aerials can be manufactured cheaply
on silicon wafers. This means that it now may be possible, for the first
time, to build an array of terahertz detectors or pixels in much the
same way as a CCD camera. This technology has succeeded in takeing a
color terahertz photograph of a human hand.

terahertz waves 'quasi optics'