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It is interesting that every ancient culture had a global deluge story, myth, belief. Even land locked desert cultures and those high in the mountains had stories about a world wide flood.

Indeed, and in many of the locations there are datable sediments consistent with ancient flood legends (but the dates and probable causes vary widely, as does the apparent extent of the flooding). In ancient times, people had no way of knowing the full extent of a flood and the multiple massive floods for which there is evidence were probably regarded as 'worldwide' in terms of limited geographic knowledge.

The Biblical account of Noah's flood has interesting parallels to the ancient Greek legend of the hero Deucalion, who, like Noah, is warned of a flood, builds an ark, and sends a bird to check on the flood's aftermath.

For what it's worth, the genealogical account in Genesis 5 says that Noah was the son of Lamech who was 182 years old when Noah was born, and that Noah was 500 years old when his sons Shem, Ham and Japheth were born.
 
They will know after more extensive exploration. This does not prove or disprove the supernatural (until it can confirm we have an Ark). GPR is far from reliable, vertical cracks in rock could show up like walls.
 
... silly is still silly.... yes of course catastrophic flooding happens periodically, especially with glacial retreat. But just how high up did the water have to be to place this "ark" where it is now? sill is still silly.
 
Jurassic layers uplifted can contain marine life.

What about gold... Most ancient gold‑bearing river channels in the Sierra Nevada occur between 2,000 and 6,000 feet in elevation, with some preserved remnants reaching even higher on ridge tops.
 
Jurassic layers uplifted can contain marine life.

What about gold... Most ancient gold‑bearing river channels in the Sierra Nevada occur between 2,000 and 6,000 feet in elevation, with some preserved remnants reaching even higher on ridge tops.
Of course the gold can be from eroding quartz veins,
But... Yes — mountain slopes can absolutely contain marine fossils. When Jurassic (or any other age) marine layers are uplifted during mountain building, those fossil‑bearing rocks can appear not only on peaks but all along the flanks and slopes of the mountains as erosion exposes them.
 
It is interesting that every ancient culture had a global deluge story, myth, belief. Even land locked desert cultures and those high in the mountains had stories about a world wide flood.
Many ancient cultures favored being near water, where floods were an occasional hazard. Those in high mountains were often living on land that was once underwater. Imagine an ancient Himalayan finding fossilized fish in the mountain rock. Would he then assume that those mountains were upthrust from the ocean floor by tectonic plate movements that resulted in the Indian subcontinent slamming into Asia, or would he assume that an angry deity must have flooded the place?

The Durupinar site is a mud flow around a rock formation. There are others in the area, it just so happens this one looks a bit boat-shaped and roughly the dimensions of the Ark. Here's an aerial of one that's a little bigger, supposedly in Oregon though I've never confirmed that:
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The Durupinar site has been geologically investigated in the past, and was the subject of past vigorous debates right here on these forums. The feature was first noticed by a Turkish pilot in the 1950s and largely ignored until pretend-archaeologist Ron Wyatt decided it had to be the Ark. Wyatt (who also found the Ark of the Covenant and the Red Sea crossing... it's all on his web site so it must be true!) traveled to the site and, armed with a long-range locator, mapped out the ribs of the boat. The LRL that he used was called an Omnitron, and the guy who made those was Dell Winders who was once a mainstay of this very forum.

The problem is, the Omnitron LRL was just a pair of dowsing rods and had no ability to detect anything at all, other than gravity. Now, this is the Dowsing forum and as such there are a lot of dowsing believers here, so I don't expect to convince anyone that dowsing doesn't actually work. But Wyatt then got a real geophysicist, Dr. John Baumgardner of Los Alamos Nat'l Lab, to go over and do some real geologic testing. Baumgardner's tests completely refuted everything Wyatt was claiming, and there was absolutely no correlation between the results of the LRL and Baumgardner's tests. Here's the funny part: Baumgardner is a young-Earth creationist who believes the flood story is literally true. He had every reason to want to accept Wyatt's claims, but instead accepted what his scientific instruments told him. During those past forum debates, I once called Baumgardner on the phone and talked to him about his results. He had no doubt whatsoever that the Durupinar site was merely a natural formation.

Turkish scientists likewise investigated the site and came to the same conclusion: natural. However, the Turkish government built a visitor's center overlooking the site. So I emailed someone about this (25 years ago so I don't remember who) and I was told that this region of Turkey is fairly impoverished, so the visitor's center was built to attract evangelical Christians who wanted to gaze upon the Ark's final resting place. Apparently it's been successful.

Now someone else wants to investigate. I suppose that, like the Oak Island money pit, as long as there continues to be anyone believing this is Noah's Ark there will continue to be investigations, whether pretend or real. That's fine, it's how science works. In the end, I'm certain it will continue to be a geologic oddity and not a mythical boat.
 
One wonders why God wouldn't have just snapped His fingers and killed everyone but Noah's little posse. Saved poor Noah a century of gnawing doen trees without iron or steel tools. I guess for the same reason He put the Tree of Knowledge right in the Garden of Eden and not in the middle of Canada.

Because it makes a good story, I guess.
 
The problem is, the Omnitron LRL was just a pair of dowsing rods and had no ability to detect anything at all, other than gravity. Now, this is the Dowsing forum and as such there are a lot of dowsing believers here, so I don't expect to convince anyone that dowsing doesn't actually work.
What is your scientific explanation of the Omnitron problem.
I never tried one. Was there a problem or just opinion on lack of scientific knowledge?
Did it work off Frequencies?
 
Same as the Omnitron the PMRAM could do the same thing.
But you don't spend $400.000 then say it was an ideometer response.
Where is the science in their explanation of their attempts?
 

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I remember reading an old post from Dell Winders that said one of his customers had posted photos of themselves with an actual find of gold bars made with the Omnitron. They admitted to being shocked that the Omnitron had worked at all, but it did that time. The finders deleted the post shortly afterwards. Did anyone else ever see the photos of the gold bars?
 
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I have the Omni-range Molecular resonater Lrl, the Molecular resonater is only a frequency generator running a Hz frequency.
I have multiple specific Frequencies that represent/resonate specific, materials, elements and minerals.
Wood is organic, which I have no frequency for wood.
The electronics become irrelevant because of no frequencies to signal.
That leaves the Dowsing rods, that don't need the electronics to work.
The Dowsing rods signal off different density perimeters. All shapes and depths, but not Organics in frequency.
I'm not sure if nails were used in building the Ark?
Dowsing rods make the Dowse, not the machine.
They've been selling the gimic for years, but people keep buying. Maybe not so much now..
 

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Fixed the thread title for you.
 
Jurassic layers uplifted can contain marine life.

What about gold... Most ancient gold‑bearing river channels in the Sierra Nevada occur between 2,000 and 6,000 feet in elevation, with some preserved remnants reaching even higher on ridge tops.
...right... so is this a suggestion that Noah lived during the Jurassic era? Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never read anything to suggest that.
 
...right... so is this a suggestion that Noah lived during the Jurassic era? Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never read anything to suggest that.
{ don't know but Jewish generations have been recorded back to Noah. Years back I spent time stuying info on a university website in Jordan. This Jurassic uplift on mountains in Jordan was mentioned. I would think Noah lived long after The Jurassic period.
 
What is your scientific explanation of the Omnitron problem.
I never tried one. Was there a problem or just opinion on lack of scientific knowledge?
Did it work off Frequencies?
The Omnitrons consist of a pair of dowsing rods and an electronics box. The box is a simple 555-timer-based oscillator with 6 frequency settings. Here is a complete report on my VR-800:

Omnitron VR-800 report

I also own an Omnitron Noah which is named after the unit Wyatt took to the Durupinar site. Basically the same thing as the VR-800.

Like all other dowsing-based LRLs, these things simply don't work. They have no ability to detect anything, and any possibility of success can only come from intuition and luck.
 
The Omnitrons consist of a pair of dowsing rods and an electronics box. The box is a simple 555-timer-based oscillator with 6 frequency settings. Here is a complete report on my VR-800:

Omnitron VR-800 report

I also own an Omnitron Noah which is named after the unit Wyatt took to the Durupinar site. Basically the same thing as the VR-800.

Like all other dowsing-based LRLs, these things simply don't work. They have no ability to detect anything, and any possibility of success can only come from intuition and luck.
I can only Wonder, what did they expect to find with a frequency machine? Did Noah have a belt buckle?
They do work, but not on wood.
I wouldn't expect it to work there, I don't understand why they did.
 
Dowsing works exactly the same on anything you wish to dowse for. Adding a frequency generator doesn't change the math one iota.
 
The Omnitrons consist of a pair of dowsing rods and an electronics box. The box is a simple 555-timer-based oscillator with 6 frequency settings. Here is a complete report on my VR-800:

Omnitron VR-800 report

I also own an Omnitron Noah which is named after the unit Wyatt took to the Durupinar site. Basically the same thing as the VR-800.

Like all other dowsing-based LRLs, these things simply don't work. They have no ability to detect anything, and any possibility of success can only come from intuition and luck.
Oh I highly suspect NASA astronaut Gordon Cooper had some sort of frequemcy generator locator with an electronic receiver when he was searching for Russian submarines near Cuba. I don’t think it was any kind of a coincidence that NASA engineer Bill Morgan used frequency that matches the Earth Field NMR frequencies for the magnetic field in that area. 31.1 Hz and that’s the same one Bob Fitzgerald used.
 

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