Prospector Shot on his own land - trying to mow!

[Limitool]

I changed my mind Terry.... weigh the bullet please (grams). That will tell volumes toward what this bullet is. The head is "mushroomed" due to hitting muscle / bone. Please get the gram weight. Big difference between a .177 and a .22.

CA Gold Hunter... is probably right. It's (maybe) a .22 caliber pellet bullet. The weight would help regardless. If it is a .22 caliber pellet then that's a HUGE step up from a .177 fired weapon from that distance. Get the weight.

 

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[Red James Cash]

Actually it should be at the least assault with a deadly weapon.

 

[Limitool]

Actually it should be at the least assault with a deadly weapon.

IS.....

 

[CA Gold Hunter]

I changed my mind Terry.... weigh the bullet please (grams). That will tell volumes toward what this bullet is. The head is "mushroomed" due to hitting muscle / bone. Please get the gram weight. Big difference between a .177 and a .22.

CA Gold Hunter... is probably right. It's (maybe) a .22 caliber pellet bullet. The weight would help regardless. If it is a .22 caliber pellet then that's a HUGE step up from a .177 fired weapon from that distance. Get the weight.

Yep, and modern .22 cal pellet guns can easily be just as powerful as a .22 rimfire. They have the weight behind them and can hit the same fps as a rimfire.

 

[Chadeaux]

Here are some pictures of the bullets recovered (I don't have pics of the one they found on the mower the night of the shooting). The first two are of the one recovered from the tire... the third and fourth are the one taken from Steve's leg today. The investigator and doctor think the one in his leg is a partial bullet from a ricochet or something... But I flattened a 22 with a hammer today and it looks close to the same. I flattened a.177 pellet and it isn't as big... But I know squat about bullets so you folks who know bullets, let me know what they look like to you... Thanks Ya'll

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Third pic looks like some of my recovered 177 hollow point Crossman pellets.

 

[Floristweb]

I changed my mind Terry.... weigh the bullet please (grams). That will tell volumes toward what this bullet is. The head is "mushroomed" due to hitting muscle / bone. Please get the gram weight. Big difference between a .177 and a .22.

CA Gold Hunter... is probably right. It's (maybe) a .22 caliber pellet bullet. The weight would help regardless. If it is a .22 caliber pellet then that's a HUGE step up from a .177 fired weapon from that distance. Get the weight.

I can't weigh them because I don't have them, but I did take photos. The Investigator has the bullets.... I pray they'll have them checked by SLED (South carolina's State version of TBI - the States high policing agency-Like FBI at a state level)... I still have hope that the Sheriff himself is a "Good Guy". I really-really have great hope in him.... When I told him yesterday that the Oathkeepers might be coming in to protect us while we mow... He didn't bat an eye, instead he gave the impression that he thought that was appropriate. The Sheriff also said the "if" his officers suggested we leave our property that upsets him, and he doesn't agree with that at all. He's also told me he would use the video from the officer who told me and my daughter that eye witness statements are hearsay, beacause he said "That is NOT hearsay" (That was from the initial threats on my life) Yada, Yada, Yada.... I just realized I'm repeating myself... LOL..... I pray he (sheriff) will get to the bottom of this corruption, and isn't a part of it. I'll be the first to sing his praises if he is an honest, competent, uncorrupted man.... I pray that I get that opportunity. Hey Brad... I love your honesty and integrity! Give that gorgeous "Bonnie Belle" a hug from us and the puppies too.. I'm still a little freaked out that you, Frank, and Dillon were in much greater danger than I could have imagined. Thank God that precious boy/man and you guys were unharmed...

 

[huntsman53]

I have been looking and looking at the last two pics of the bullet and have come to believe several things. First, when comparing the bullet to the gloved fingers in the 3rd pic, it appears to be larger than a .22 caliber bullet from a .22 caliber Rifle. Second, the bullet appears to be homemade in a mold. Third, in the 4th pic, the bullet does not appear to be the same bullet shown in the 3rd pic. What am I missing here? Is the 4th pic of a bloody fragment of the bullet taken out of Steve's leg or is it the same bullet as in the 3rd pic and this was a pic of the bullet right after it was extracted from Steve's leg and taken before the 3rd pic??!! Fourth, while the bullet looks somewhat similar to some Air Rifle Pellets, it appears more to me to be a homemade Pistol bullet and of a larger caliber than a .22 caliber bullet. I copied and pasted pics #3 and #4 to my' computer, uploaded them to Photobucket, enhanced and sharpened them, resized them, uploaded them back to my' computer and then uploaded them below. See what you all think about my theories concerning the bullet??!!


Frank

 

[diggummup]

Pellet or bullet, doesn't matter. With pellet guns, shooting at or into buildings, enclosures, cars or equipment is illegal under the South Carolina code and is a felony. A person convicted must be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.
I know a guy that got 2 years in prison for intentionally throwing a rock through his neighbors window down here. It's called a "deadly missile" around here.

I agree... BUT... with that said... the fact still stands this person fired from long range with a weapon which reached Steve, entered his calf and reached the bone...!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF he (perp) "was" shooting for the tires it doesn't matter (and nobody said this).

I hear you

 

[Chadeaux]

I have been looking and looking at the last two pics of the bullet and have come to believe several things. First, when comparing the bullet to the gloved fingers in the 3rd pic, it appears to be larger than a .22 caliber bullet from a .22 caliber Rifle. Second, the bullet appears to be homemade in a mold. Third, in the 4th pic, the bullet does not appear to be the same bullet shown in the 3rd pic. What am I missing here? Is the 4th pic of a bloody fragment of the bullet taken out of Steve's leg or is it the same bullet as in the 3rd pic and this was a pic of the bullet right after it was extracted from Steve's leg and taken before the 3rd pic??!! Fourth, while the bullet looks somewhat similar to some Air Rifle Pellets, it appears more to me to be a homemade Pistol bullet and of a larger caliber than a .22 caliber bullet. I copied and pasted pics #3 and #4 to my' computer, uploaded them to Photobucket, enhanced and sharpened them, resized them, uploaded them back to my' computer and then uploaded them below. See what you all think about my theories concerning the bullet??!!


Frank

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In pic 2 that you uploaded, for it to be larger than an air rifle projectile, the print on the paper would have to be 18 pt or larger. That would be unusual for anything printed in a hospital or on a police evidence tag.

12 point text is 1/6 of an inch tall ... less than 1/4 inch.

On the flip side, the first image does appear larger, just depends on the size of that person's hands.

 

[Red James Cash]

Its also good to remember that there are also .25 caliber high velocity air rifles.The projectile in the gloved hand picture is a pellet.The base of a bullet would not deform upon impact,unless it hit,then tumbled,and hit something else.I use to be into ballistics,bullet penetration,etc.Ive dug many a bullet out of targets.

 

[Hitndahed]

Yes, there are some competition pellet guns that are probably as strong as a .22.Or strong enough. The thing I see wrong with that? The ones I know of, would have to be loaded each time. So three shots would have had pauses enough to reload. I'm not up to date on pellet guns so what I'm talking about is probably 20 years old!

I didn't see your post diggumup until after I posted.your right..... not sure you would hear them over a tractor at a distance. Sounds odd they would even say that....

Here's one brand I've owned in the past, there are many more. Just to give people an idea of what I'm talking about. There might be info in there to compare to a .22 rim fire. oh...click on english in the upper right.

DIANA Mayer & Grammelspacher GmbH & Co.KG

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All this talk of pellet rifles I had to toss this in.
Sam Yang Big Bore 909S .45-cal. Air Rifle - 213677, Air & BB Rifles at Sportsman's Guide

YIKES !
Now back to finishing this thread.

 

[huntsman53]

In pic 2 that you uploaded, for it to be larger than an air rifle projectile, the print on the paper would have to be 18 pt or larger. That would be unusual for anything printed in a hospital or on a police evidence tag.

12 point text is 1/6 of an inch tall ... less than 1/4 inch.

On the flip side, the first image does appear larger, just depends on the size of that person's hands.

I fully understand what you are saying but it depends upon what the text was printed upon and it's use! It would have been nice to be there in person to see the bullet once it was extracted from Steve's leg as I would be able to tell the approximate caliber of it or if a ruler or micrometer had been in the pics for scale. Maybe if the LE's do their job now that the Sheriff is involved, maybe we will find out for sure and as Paul Harvey used to say "and now for the rest of the story".


Frank

 

[Limitool]

Whatever page it was on... when someone from LA said it appears / looks like it might be a "fragment" or a bouncing bullet I believe is TOTALLY WRONG! How can he be hit on the "outside" of his calf after it hit some metal on the lawn mower...? It the gaze is holding the bullet from Steve's leg it looks way to "uniform" to have been bounced around.

I still don't give a damn if it was a 300 mag bullet or a pellet that drove to his bone from 200+ ft. away. Who the hell (we know) would do something like this to an old man riding on a lawn mower?

Yea Terry.... I think back when Frank, I and my Grandson were standing and MD'ing the same area. If Frank or my Grandson were shot like Steve was ambushed I would have TOTALLY COME UNGLUED. And I'd still be there till I got my hands on this guy or I was in jail awaiting release only to return again. Right is right.... and I don't ask for opinions either. Now... if it were me who caught that bullet I wouldn't be posting on T-net.

 

[Red James Cash]

people But these type of guys aren't afraid of cops and a little time. That's the sad and scary part.

Get friendly with him,find some common ground,take him deer hunting

 

[Red James Cash]

I'm sorry,I was being a little mild

 

[Limitool]

Get friendly with him,find some common ground,take him deer hunting

Bull.... someone just has to show as much nuggets as he has. Unlike "him" I'd walk right up to the front door and we'd "talk". Un-nerve him, confront him, question him and then.... we'll see. Can't stand a man / coward like this.

 

[Oregon Viking]

Get friendly with him,find some common ground,take him deer hunting

Bull.... someone just has to show as much nuggets as he has. Unlike "him" I'd walk right up to the front door and we'd "talk". Un-nerve him, confront him, question him and then.... we'll see. Can't stand a man / coward like this.

I think Red forgot to mention the "accident" he could have deer hunting.
This guy is unstable, reasoning with him probably won't work. He seems to stupid to scare...Meth is the ultimate courage. I have delt with a few meth heads (bail enforcement) You taze them it just makes them mad! Kind off scary.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

Three shots one right after the other, the shots where able to be heard, penetrated a tire and lawn mower fender. These statements are not consistent with a regular walmart air rifle, sorry. High powered air rifles capable of doing this are wayyy out of a meth heads budget. To be semi auto, high power (over 1500 fps), 22cal one would have to spend a lot of money, plus you wouldn't hear the shots from that distance. There are regular high powered 22 cal air rifle that can cause that much damage however they are break open barrels and take some time to reload.

 

[Red James Cash]

Here guys this may be of some help.By the way,there are PCP, precharged pneumatics,rifles.Some bigbore PCP air rifles are bolt action and have a rotary magazine,at low setting they can get off 3 or more shots.If the bigbore exists i dont see why a small bore .22 .25 wouldnt.Below is a pellet power chart.If he was hit by a .22 long rifle the bone wouldnt of stopped the bullet,the bullet would of been deflected.It would of ended up in his thigh,out his knee,etc. .22 longrifle have more penetration than theyre given credit for.

 

[Red James Cash]

Heres a chart on .22 longrifle ammo

22 Rimfire Ballistics Table