Superstition People, Places, & Things.

[Weaversneedle]

Hal, I think most here, even us new-comers realize when you, Hal, are inclined to believe something true, the rest of us should take it serious.

Enjoy your research.

Surely you jest?

 

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[EarnieP]

Surely you jest?

Not at all.
The gist (not jest) of it is, he has excellent ideas and does serious work.
I think most here can appreciate that.

 

[EarnieP]

CN, you are clever (and stealthy).

 

[EarnieP]

EarnieP,
I have to agree with Weaversneedle and think that you are being a little generous.
However, I appreciate the kind words.

Just don't confuse my ideas with what I describe as physical proof.
The proof is there independent of any ideas about it.

My initial statement was a little awkward as I tried not to be ambiguous (we've seen what happens with that), so I did edit it a bit later to 'tighten it up'.
Perhaps the Easter Holiday did effect my generosity somewhat.
I like your statement (paraphrased);

"Proof is independent of any ideas about it."

No one can argue with that. (Although I'm sure some here will try.)
Keep up the good work.

 

[EarnieP]

For those interested, Google 'Indian Paint Mine iron roller picture'
You'll see a picture of the supposed concrete filled iron roller-mill used in the La Barge Canyon and Boulder Canyon area.
Does anyone know who used it, when, and why (if there was no productive ore in that canyon)?

[I'd post the picture myself since it fits well in this thread, but it's not mine (copyrights?), and I'm not sure the rules of posting links here? Several picture of it can easily be found on the net.]

 

[EarnieP]

This is listed with the group of Indian Paint Mine pictures (including the roller);

"Numerous other prospect workings were examined and sampled, including Miller Mines, Reed Camp area at Coffee Flat Mountain, Williams Camp area at Bluff Springs Mountain, and Indian Paint Mine area near Battleship Mountains. No evidence from these workings suggests the presence of mineral resources at these sites or elsewhere in the study area."
--Mineral investigation of the Superstition Wilderness and Contiguous Rare II Further Planning Areas, Gila, Maricopa, and Pinal Counties, Arizona
U.S. Bureau of Mines Mineral Land Assessment
MLA 136-82 1982
By Jinks, J.E. "

I'm going to go ahead and list the picture's link;
http://superstitionmountainhikes.com/Landmarks/Indian-Paint-Mine/

Hal, you might like the link there to the; "Mineral investigation of the Superstition Wilderness and Contiguous Rare II Further Planning Areas, Gila, Maricopa, and Pinal Counties, Arizona"

http://superstitionmountainhikes.com/assets/USBM_MLA_136-82.pdf

 

[markmar]

Wayne

I believe the stone crosses which i posted are the originals . Look at these pictures below which are clippings from " Apache Santinel " newspaper at 20 of September 1978 . These pictures were posted in another bus station by Jim Hatt .



And the picture which i posted as originals crosses . Seems to be the same .

 

[starman 1]

Hello Hal:


"So tempting to impose ones ideas on things we struggle to understand".

No truer words have been spoken. In addition your post:

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  Bill,
  I will write this. There is absolute 100% physical proof that someone was mining or processing/storing materials in that general area. This is a fact now regardless of what anyone believes. The question is who. Spanish, Mexican, Mormons, or someone else? The amazing thing is that they seem to have marked their sites with symbols. You and I would describe these as treasure symbols.
  
  I am not asking anyone to believe it but the area will eventually prove to be archeologically significant."​

Perhaps this will shed some light on things. Who knew they were into mining.

"the forthcoming book by Robert C. Hyde and Donald N. Yates, The Tucson Artifacts: Latin and Hebrew Records of a Jewish Mining Colony in Ninth-Century Arizona. "

You may find the following interesting also:

https://dnawriter.com/2015/10/04/pi...ature-of-minoans-sea-peoples-and-phoenicians/


Starman

 

[Azquester]

Incredible.

Barry Fell is a founding member of MES. He's written books before on Diffusionism. So he's somewhat biase towards proving whites and Columbus never discovered America and America is in fact not ours for the taking.

I don't know if I would give this a second look or not. On the surface it looks quite stunning. But underneath I suspect an agenda.

"So tempting to impose ones ideas on things we struggle to understand".

 

[sdcfia]

Incredible.

DNA research may thwart a lot of dearly-held theories and force a new look at the dogmas de jour in the academic worlds. But, that's what science does.

There are many examples of surviving circumstantial evidence indicating an early Mediterranean presence in the American Southwest. Most of the anomalous petroglyphs and ruins have been assigned more "acceptable" meanings by the tenured experts, but there is a long-term trend that seems to replace old experts with new ones. The Los Lunas Decalog Stone - and more importantly the ruins above it - and many other strange rock carvings in the Rio Grande Valley are good examples. That painted Mimbres bowl in the linked article by starman 1 was extraordinary. Barry Fell also linked a Mimbres bowl directly to Libya, as I recall. Below are some more SW carvings.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/victorio-peak/111197-victorio-peak-update-2.html#post4223720

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Great stuff guys, i hope you keep the Ancient stuff going. Thanks,i enjoyed it.

 

[Azquester]

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These beauties made their way to New Jersey but were originally from Arizona. What I find fascinating are the cups handles.

Early beer bottle opener in the handles nice touch!

 

[somehiker]

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These beauties made their way to New Jersey but were originally from Arizona. What I find fascinating are the cups handles.

Many years ago, had I seen one of those laying out in the desert, I would have assumed it was a modern coffee mug from some gift/souvenir shop.
Left behind by a camper or hiker or tossed with the trash . It wasn't till I started researching the pottery and pottery shards of Arizona's past inhabitants, that I realized the timelessness of some common forms of utility ware that we all have in our kitchen cupboards . These are good examples.
The large, "D" - shaped handles aren't unusual in their shape Hal, but the example on the right which is probably "Mesa Verde", has an architectural style to it that I also find interesting.....stepped walls, a rim reminiscent of the top of a kiva perhaps, masonry lines and a T-shaped doorway in the handle itself.....as with this example...

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[Azquester]

Many years ago, had I seen one of those laying out in the desert, I would have assumed it was a modern coffee mug from some gift/souvenir shop.
Left behind by a camper or hiker or tossed with the trash . It wasn't till I started researching the pottery and pottery shards of Arizona's past inhabitants, that I realized the timelessness of some common forms of utility ware that we all have in our kitchen cupboards . These are good examples.
The large, "D" - shaped handles aren't unusual in their shape Hal, but the example on the right which is probably "Mesa Verde", has an architectural style to it that I also find interesting.....stepped walls, a rim reminiscent of the top of a kiva perhaps, masonry lines and a T-shaped doorway in the handle itself.....as with this example...

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Great idea for a coffee blend. Hohokam Dark or Mesa Verde cupachino. The T in the handle was probably for a long extension handle they used for deep dipping a coffee pot. Makes you wonder if Cochise and Geronimo drank coffee while planing their attacks against the whites and mexicans. That could explain the wild yelling they did during an attack they were just pumped up on good old double caffine from an early form of solar powered cuisinart!

 

[Ponchosportal]

Many years ago, had I seen one of those laying out in the desert, I would have assumed it was a modern coffee mug from some gift/souvenir shop.
Left behind by a camper or hiker or tossed with the trash . It wasn't till I started researching the pottery and pottery shards of Arizona's past inhabitants, that I realized the timelessness of some common forms of utility ware that we all have in our kitchen cupboards . These are good examples.
The large, "D" - shaped handles aren't unusual in their shape Hal, but the example on the right which is probably "Mesa Verde", has an architectural style to it that I also find interesting.....stepped walls, a rim reminiscent of the top of a kiva perhaps, masonry lines and a T-shaped doorway in the handle itself.....as with this example...

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What was the cup used for?

Thank you for your response.

 

[Roadhse2]

Could the T shaped handle slot be functional... Maybe used to hang upside down on a peg to let dry and keep dust/dirt out of until the next use? The larger part of the slot would make it easier to 'hit' the peg, while the slotted part would hold it in the right position to protect it from dirt..

 

[cactusjumper]

I would put my money on the mug being Anasazi:



Joe Ribaudo

 

[deducer]

More specifically, an Anasazi rattle mug. FWIW, The Anasazis used T-shaped doorways in their dwellings. More in an excerpt form this book: The Chaco Meridian

Also: Chaco

 

[cactusjumper]

More specifically, an Anasazi rattle mug. FWIW, The Anasazis used T-shaped doorways in their dwellings. More in an excerpt form this book: The Chaco Meridian

Also: Chaco

deducer,

One question......How do we know, "specifically" it's a rattle mug? Without the mug being broken or actually shaken, I don't believe you can tell the difference between a regular mug and a rattle mug. As far as I know, the pattern on the mug is no indicator.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[deducer]

deducer,

One question......How do we know, "specifically" it's a rattle mug? Without the mug being broken or actually shaken, I don't believe you can tell the difference between a regular mug and a rattle mug. As far as I know, the pattern on the mug is no indicator.

Joe Ribaudo

An educated guess? That mug being in such good shape must have had ceremonial significance, and so the likelihood of it being a rattle mug would be higher than usual, I'd think.