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[sgtfda]

Sorry Wayne!

 

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[somehiker]

Hopefully you guys are on to something significant. Dozens of others have believed the same thing over the years and decades - quite a few have tooted about it on this very forum. Perhaps you should wait for some verifiable confirmation before the big announcement.

Hopefully is a big word, Springfield.
But it certainly applies to some degree in this case as well.
As I've said, the bullseye I've been looking for appears to be within a section of my area of interest, which I have until now overlooked and skirted during my hikes to and from other parts. It was only due to an investigation of one heart, assisted by Frank, that I came to the conclusion that there had to be two more hearts within the boundaries. The "P" on that heart, and it's absence from the Latin Heart, as well as the Red Heart forced a re-evaluation of the "Cursum Perficio" map, which in turn sent me through my photo files. Luckily I did have a series of photos of the area where two more large hearts are visible. Altogether, they give me views from various distances not more than 3-400 yds. and about 270 degrees of coverage. It is from three of those that I have cropped and enlarged some of my recent submissions. Many show objects IMO, that may very well indicate a major operation took place at that location in the more distant past.
I will P/M a suitably censored crop, which shows two of these objects. The one at the center is singular, so far as I can see in the photoset. The one at lower right is evident in multiples, and the reason for my prior description "a house of cards".
I trust you will keep the photo confidential, as well as the identity of the objects shown.
I would appreciate your opinion, via P/M, as someone familiar with what these two things may represent.
Especially considering they are in a remote, very rough, and hidden location.

Regards:SH.

 

[somehiker]

"Why not just explain in one brief post, exactly how to read the stones?"

Hal;
Like any map, you read them by orientating yourself according to what you see on the map.
Mostly this has to be done in the field, where things can be seen in perspective, relative to where they are placed on the stones themselves.
I can't put it any more briefly than that.

Regards:SH.

 

[somehiker]

Sorry Wayne!

No problem.
Treasure stories are just for the gullible....right ?
I don't think any of us would get much attention, unless we were to become suddenly wealthy without explanation.
With so many faces in the crowd of "I found it's", it's easy to blend in.
Especially with no official interest in these things.

Best:Wayne

 

[Hal Croves]

"Why not just explain in one brief post, exactly how to read the stones?"

Hal;
Like any map, you read them by orientating yourself according to what you see on the map.
Mostly this has to be done in the field, where things can be seen in perspective, relative to where they are placed on the stones themselves.
I can't put it any more briefly than that.

Regards:SH.

Fair enough.
Thank you.

 

[peralta]

This is purely my own personal opinion, based on what I've seen of the Stone Maps and read about them and I believe the two Stone Maps ( DON Heart-Cross) currently in the Superstition Mountain Historical Society Museum (SMHSM), are not the original stones.
It is undisputed that Travis Tumlinson was first to possess the Stone Maps. It is also undisputed that Clarence Mitchell, obtained those same Stone Maps from the widow of Tumlinson after he passed away.
Clarence Mitchell aka. Travis Marlowe, wrote a book based on those Stone Maps in 1964 titled Superstition Treasures, University of California Press 64 pages.
In that book Mitchell/Marlowe details how Tumlinson said he found the Stone Maps, and how he (Mitchell/Marlowe) came into possession of them from Tumlinson's widow.
Of most interest in that book are several very clear and detailed photographs of the Stone Maps both front and back. Photos taken by Mitchell/Marlowe shortly after he acquired the Stone Maps from Mrs. Tumlinson about 1960-1963 time period.
If you look closely at those photos, examine them in detail, and look closely, comparing them to the Stone Maps in the SMHS Museum, you will see they are not the same Stone Maps. (I am talking about the two, DON and Heart, Cross maps, not the Priest and Horse map.) Several glaring differences can be easily noted.
I believe the Museum Stones were most probably made as copies and may have been manufactured with modern equipment or tooling.
In Mitchell/Marlowe's book, he explains in detail he has in his possession an affidavit from a professor of a leading California University stating the Stone Maps he acquired from Tumlinson are authentic, and without question at least 100 years old.
Mitchell's reference to the professor stating the Stones being at least 100 years old is the basis for the stories that the FBI examined the stones and stated they were at least 100 years old. There is no record the FBI examined the stones as they would have had no reason to examine them. Stories circulated over the years that Mitchell's Corporation (MOEL) filed bankruptcy and was tried for defrauding investors using the Stones are simply not true. Neither account ever happened.
Once again, this is merely my own opinion based on a comparison of the Stones in Mitchell/Marlowe's book and the Stones currently in the SMHS Museum.

Matthew K. Roberts

Matthew I'm sure your aware that many colts were made.maybe the original was kept and a copy was left at the museum.I held copy in my hand from a friend Roy Touch.hope I spelled it right.all the information you need are coded on the stones to give you a chance to locate the treasures.good luck
Tom

 

[peralta]

Matthew I'm sure your aware that many colts were made.maybe the original was kept and a copy was left at the museum.I held copy in my hand from a friend Roy Touch.hope I spelled it right.all the information you need are coded on the stones to give you a chance to locate the treasures.good luck
Tom

A must to read is Bob Ward -true story of the superstition mountains ,Ripples of lost echos.he left a lot of information.besides the Dutchman look at one lost page of itemized treasure,the peralta stone maps,the Latin heart stones and much more.he did a lot of research for his book.

 

[sgtfda]

I have that book but a Canadian ran off with it

 

[cactusjumper]

Frank,

How did you get so lucky?

Joe

 

[somehiker]

Good trade for talking rocks .
On Saturday nights they tell jokes...
Mostly about treasure hunters.

 

[vastterrain]

Wayne

I will be hiding out in the Horse until it gets cooler....Awaiting your arrival in October!

 

[somehiker]

Wayne

I will be hiding out in the Horse until it gets cooler....Awaiting your arrival in October!


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Stay cool....May the Gods keep the wolves in the hills and the women in our beds....

Best:Wayne

 

[peralta]

Stay cool....May the Gods keep the wolves in the hills and the women in our beds....

Best:Wayne

Wayne sometimes I wish the wolves were with me and the women were in the hills.my wife has the Filipino temper,ha ha
Tom

 

[toe2short]

I mean a new book, you can download it, if you have a NOOK. It is called Dutchman and the Devil, The Lost Story by Pat Parish.You can download it from Barns & Nobles web site. I don't think the paper back came out yet.

 

[BIGSCOTT]

i read a book once, about a contractor from chicago i think, a lady hired him to look for the lost dutchman mine, been a long time so i dont remember the details, but remember it was a good book, can't find a copy to save my life now, and i am pretty good at finding stuff, maybe it was in this thread but i didnt read the whole thing, the book was called SKELETON GOLD

 

[cactusjumper]

i read a book once, about a contractor from chicago i think, a lady hired him to look for the lost dutchman mine, been a long time so i dont remember the details, but remember it was a good book, can't find a copy to save my life now, and i am pretty good at finding stuff, maybe it was in this thread but i didnt read the whole thing, the book was called SKELETON GOLD

Scott,

I believe you may have the name wrong. This is one of the best sites to get information on LDM books:

Tale of the Lost Dutchman: bibliography, notes and chronology

In addition to that, I would recommend that you get in touch with Greg Davis. If he doesn't have it in his collection, it's unlikely it exists.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[BIGSCOTT]

THanx,it may not show up because it may not have been deemed credible, i dont remember where they got their information, but he searched hands on, boots on the ground for several years and ended up at some cement that he couldnt get through, it dealt with a lot of landmarks-that he found-he was getting his equipment and personel in with a helicopter, they would hoover and throw there stuff out then jump out themselves,i remember some of the landmarks, the old stone house,the face that looks up at the mine, the canon de fresca (fresh canyon), and he also found lookout post's carved high in the cliff's that he was not looking for,but would lay credibility to the peralta family once mining there,
last night after i posted i remembered that i checked this book out from a library that has since burned down but i do know where they would have taken the books that didn't burn am going there now

 

[Cubfan64]

THanx,it may not show up because it may not have been deemed credible, i dont remember where they got their information, but he searched hands on, boots on the ground for several years and ended up at some cement that he couldnt get through, it dealt with a lot of landmarks-that he found-he was getting his equipment and personel in with a helicopter, they would hoover and throw there stuff out then jump out themselves,i remember some of the landmarks, the old stone house,the face that looks up at the mine, the canon de fresca (fresh canyon), and he also found lookout post's carved high in the cliff's that he was not looking for,but would lay credibility to the peralta family once mining there,
last night after i posted i remembered that i checked this book out from a library that has since burned down but i do know where they would have taken the books that didn't burn am going there now

Reminds me of "Killer Mountains" in some ways from your description. It wouldn't matter if it were a credible book or not, it should show up on Doug Stewarts guide that Joe linked.

If not, it's either an obscure book that few have heard of, or you have it confused with something else.

 

[ELBAYO]

Dirty Dutchman Get ahold of me ASAP.....

Double-Jack....

 

[Not Peralta]

Mr. Ribaudo,

So is discrediting the integrity of the Historical Society your idea of being a good friend? Like I said if the historical society does not disown you and what you did they are worse than you are.

Is publishing private e-mails your idea of being honest when you realize that such an act is a breach of the most basic decency. And furthermore you published these e-mails and slandered some fine folks knowing that you were being dis-honest. You see what you relied on is that we would not stoop to your level and I am proud we did not.

And what is sad is you continue to lie.

No Mr. Ribaudo I do not attack your integrity I simply reveal it for what it is. You are a man when caught red-handed could not even admit he is wrong and say so.

Late used to think a lot of you. He defended you with others and hoped that something positive would come of all of this. You rewarded him and others with a continual stream of lies and deceit.

B.

wow what a post,np