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The Panic Has Started****

I had a comment disappear or I didn't post it correctly but, in it, I made comment about this school shooting being profoundly disturbing. I'm sure it disgusts both sides of the gun debate equally. I can totally understand how a anti-gun person would want to ban every gun in the world. If I thought that would solve the problem I would be all for it. Problem is, in my pro-gun mind, I don't think that is the problem. We have ALWAYS had guns. Used to be that full autos weren't that hard to come by. Guns were mounted in the back windows of pickup trucks in the high school student parking lots. We didn't have this problem then so why now? Guns haven't changed. It's our society that has changed. Deranged people are no longer put away in mental institutions; they have rights and they are walking our streets. There are friends, neighbors, teachers and parents that know who most of them are but you can't be caged up because someone thinks you have a mental problem. I'm sure most of you have seen the obviously deranged people walking the streets talking to themselves or cussing at passersby. These are NOT the nut-jobs committing these crimes, it's the silent ones. Where do they come from? Is it parents, video games, movies, tv, our permissive society? I don't know but I do know that if someone is shot in a movie these days they have to be gushing blood and guts from deadly wounds or the movie is boring. Like I said, guns haven't changed but the number of mass shootings has.
 

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The tone of some posts between members is why politics is no longer allowed here, toned it down or thread will be locked.....
 

PB, you must not have posted it correctly, no post has been deleted....yet.
 

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TH there is something going on! I entered a post and it vanished. I noticed the LIKE on the right side of posts vanished too. I had to leave the thread and come back in twice and all of a sudden there was my post an the LIKE. Frank

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We as a country should stop using tragedy's and disasters to form policy changes. Making big changes of any kind, be it financial, policy, marriage or otherwise is never good when emotions are running high.
 

TH there is something going on! I entered a post and it vanished. I noticed the LIKE on the right side of posts vanished too. I had to leave the thread and come back in twice and all of a sudden there was my post an the LIKE. Frank

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TH , My post duplicated!! Something is going on here! Frankcrystal ball 2 700.webp
 

Frankn, software glitch I guess, no posts have been deleted or edited....If I had I would admit it.... I only warned to tone some down between members....

As mods we can see everyone that is in a thread, even if they are set to invisible....No admins here at moment, only mod is myself...
 

If you hit enter and it doesnt appear and hit it again you will get duplicate if the 2nd time you hit enter has passed the time limit set to stop duplicate posts..

It has happened to me in past, just lag time in provider....
 

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TH.I figured I posted wrong because I know I didn't say anything too far out of line..................yet. :)
 

Crispin said:
I promised myself years ago I was never going to get involved in another discussion about the right to own a gun. My roommate at the time was a liberalist and we went back and fourth for months while respecting each other's opinions. In the end, we realized that neither one had put so much as a doubt in the others mind. This school shooting has rocked my world. My friends, families, and patients have all called me with questions. The prevailing one, "Why would somebody do something like that." Patients who have been exposed to violence in the past have come in to talk. Vets that I treat for PTSD have had a massive surge in nightmares and flashbacks. Parents are panicking and afraid to drop their kids off at school. So, knowing that I am the minority, I'm going to vent here. I have a few statements and questions. These are not meant to pick a fight. I would welcome intelligent counterpoints.

1. Nobody is suggesting we take away the right to bear arms. It is the right to own assault rifles we want to limit. What is wrong with this? (please do not use the slipperly slope argument. no intelligent scholar places stock in that.)

2. People cite the wisdom of the founding fathers as a reason backing up the right to bear arms. When the founding fathers wrote the Bill of Rights they meant the right to defend ones freedom from tyranny. Assualt rifles did not exist. Do people think they need guns to fend off the government and have a civil war? If not, why can't a simple handgun suffice for personal defense uses.

3. If this shooting does not change your mind about guns...what type of tragedy would? 100 kids, 1000 kids, 1,000,000 kids. Give me a number so I can keep tally and know when we are getting close.

4. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." What is the purpose in pointing this out? Does anybody believe that a gun gets up all on its own and kills somebody?

I know I am venting and ranting. I'll take my beat down like a man.
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Continue making sense at your own risk, it might get you booted off this thread.
 

Crispin...........for the sake of "discussion" (I won't use the word argument :) ) please define assault "assault weapon". As you know, I'm pro-gun but I too have my limits. I don't own a fully automatic anything. I don't even want one. If they were to melt down every machine gun in the world I could care less. I'm sure there are pro-gun types that have, and want to keep, their full autos and I can understand their concerns. I understand why some would be against all guns also. Both sides have to sit down and look at the problem rationally.
 

just on the Harrisburg News

there was a sailor (Navy Vet) guarding a
[h=2]school in Elizabethtown pa today without a weapon.[/h]said he has no kids there but 2 nephews the youngest he
is worried about.

Parents thanked him & Brought him food.

said he would be back tomorrow,
but the School is acting like they don't want him there.


I'll add the Video when it comes available
 

Wow its slowed down. must be waiting on Crispin. At least he,ll try to discuss issue.
Not answering for him. M.h.o. a switchblade knife looks intimidating so when some were used for mayhem they became banned. Never mind what would happen if average punk faced someone with a sharpened table knife who knew how to use it.
Many people would rather not defend them selves, or others. One well placed shot ends career of assassin regardless of their choice of weapon. Previous "assault"weapons described including pistol grips on them,oooh scary looking so it must be for nefarious reasons! Capacity a moot point when people don,t have a defence, any anti gunners ever tried timed events with certain single shots would pale when a minutes count was tallied,and how long for help to arrive?
Rest assured were there no guns there would still be horrendous acts. We should be working together as to why that is and how to defend against it. The greatest cause is mental.
 

FrankN: That you for serving our country. I have nothing but the utmost respect for veterans. If any of my comments appeared to imply otherwise then I apologize.

Jeff, TH, Packerbacker, Onfire, and Ivan: Thank you for sharing your intelligent comments. You have supplied me with some new thoughts. I do admit...I do not have a good definition of an assault rifle. Some of my ideas have been tainted by the media...I can see that now. I am going to bow out of this thread.
 

Crispin,

My hat is off to you sir for standing up for what you believe is right based on your personal moral compass.....last time I checked both the USA and Canada were democratic countries which allow for free speech....enough said.

Regards + HH

Bill
 

Crispin......DON'T bow out now. You are one of the few that, at least listen, to our concerns. I also listen to the anti-gun folks, when they are making common sense and I have a broad spectrum of acceptance of what common sense is. This is the dialogue that is missing in this entire debate. Not arguing.....................discussing and listening.
 

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