Treasure Clue, can you help?

I also found 23 of the creatures, the 2nd ant NEVER being found and I have stared long and hard at the entire dandelion on page 77 and see nothing. This is a false claim I am sure of it. Another thing I am unhappy about is the Spiders on page 20 and page 21. They look alike and are on the border and don't really look good enough to be the spiders. Is anyone confident these are in fact the spiders?
 

Below is an email I want to share with everyone. I contacted STADTHER about the word REDEEMED on his website.

Ed,

'redeemed' is a more precise word since anyone can 'claim' to have found
one.

nothing else has changed.

mike stadther

Name: Ed Witkowski III
Email: Ed@HandGems.com
Daytime Telephone: (609) 585-4735
Information Request:


You stated on your website today that none have been "redeemed" as opposed
to your usual saying that none have been found. Does this imply one or more
tokens are no longer in their hiding places but no one has redeemed them
yet? Or did you just get bored of saying "none have been found"?
 

HandGems said:
I also found 23 of the creatures, the 2nd ant NEVER being found and I have stared long and hard at the entire dandelion on page 77 and see nothing. This is a false claim I am sure of it. Another thing I am unhappy about is the Spiders on page 20 and page 21. They look alike and are on the border and don't really look good enough to be the spiders. Is anyone confident these are in fact the spiders?

there is a spider on page 22. its in a bubble type thing on a tree.
 

I found what looks like a spider on that orange haired fairy.? On his left shoulder, what appears to be a stain looks like a spider to me.? This is on the page with the broken tea cup and flour in the tin.? I wish I could tell you what page but my book got "borrowed" today while I was at work.?
Happy Hunting!!
 

Keeping it simple

Hi,

This is my first post on the subject of this book . I am replying to the search for the ant , because
I believe that this guy jet's location of it by the dandelion is completely contrived. Ive read the book
and read his solution and I simply just don't see much of anything he's describing. I think that following his solution and his theories are dangerous in that they all seem to lead to dead end paths and do not relate at all to the parts of the puzzle which have already been validated by many.


I agree with those who have theorized that Stadther's intention was to present a puzzle easy enough for a child and parent to team to solve. The overall poem around the borders of the various pages is easy to find and just a beginning path to outline a method to follow to solve the puzzle. If you look at it what it says after the general description of how the treasures are hidden:

An even code with one piece nary will spell out the sanctuary
Within the text you have the key for the one that is missing you did not see
with name in hand the fairies know and they will tell you where to go
A code of numbers five to a side, reveals the name where the treasures abide
Seize your token and reach your goal it is not half and it is not whole


In my mind each of these phrases leads us into another solution space.Sending us
to the next level

1. An even code may be a reference to the Morse code . I hear that the companion guide
refers to using Morse code and I have satisfied my self that there is indeed at least one
verifiable clue in Morse code on one of the pages.

2. Many people think the text also contains clues and the second phrase supports that theory. It may be that the 15 number cypher code on page 2 is used for this (The application to the title may just be a simple example to show us how to apply it to the text .

3. The faeries hands... Ive read a lot of people ideas on this and have tried to validate some of them.
Aside from the obvious, (Squiggles that look like O's and such . I just don't see anything meaningful
here.) We did note however that the faeries are appearing in pairs. Also that their arms and legs are very angular. Possibly forming letters themselves.

4. The code of numbers five to a side , I haven't thought too much about that as yet. There are the three five by five boxes with various colors in them which are probably related to this clue.

5. This is a bit trickier for me . It could mean many things but I am focusing on the sample puzzles
on the authors website, which is what got me intrigued about this hunt in the first place. The first
involves symmetry being used to hide simple messages and the second involves partial message having to be superimposed on other parts to form the whole message. This is where you grab the tracing paper and start trying to match up images on one page with images on other pages. Some one posted a previous post spoke about doing this with the dandelion seeds. I also had tried this but got no good result. It could be applied to anything tho, possibly the single tree images, those strange leaf pattern that keep drawing my eyes to them, or anything else that catches your eye

The only thing I can really find that doesn't quite fit with these main clues is the large Celtic pattern with the red green and blue colors in it. It may be an even code or possible a not half/not whole solution but I haven't cracked it yet.

While much of what I said may already be known , I just wanted to reiterate all because to me these are the facts that I can either validate or ideas that directly relate to those facts. Also they (in general anyway) should be relatively easy to solve once you figure out the visual trick or code involved. I myself find all the ideas I read in these boards to be distracting sometimes and l think that sometimes its good just to sit back, review what is actually known and get back to the basics.

Please dint take this post as a criticism or disparaging commentary on the ideas that you all are posting here. I think that every contribution is important and appreciate everything I have learned from reading them all.


Finally I do not believe that any of the puzzles have been solved to the extent that someone has located one of the tokens using the clues . It is possible that someone may have accidently stumbled on one them but has no idea what it is, leading the author to change the wording on his site from found to redeemed. I myself have no intention of traveling the country to find a jewel I will not be able to pay the taxes on or cash in for a fraction of its appraised valued. If I did solve a puzzle fully and if it was truly within driving distance I would enjoy going for it however.

Anyway thats my two cents on the matter as it stands now. Thanks for listening

Lee
 

What wonders me, is , in the rules, it says something about, you have to explain how you cracked the code. Does this mean If I get Lucky and happen on one, & try to turn it in, I'll be told I'm Inelligable, because I didn't buy the book & Solve it ? NOT a Put down , if this is the case, just wondering.
 

Jeff,
I have been thinking along the same line. What if a person finds a token and has the book but cannot provide a good solution to every puzzle that lead to that location (got lucky)? Is that a valid finder or not? I mean, the poem seems to say many things that also can be read in clear text in the book. I have a feeling that you can find a token without solving all those puzzels. Just a thought.
/Milou
 

This is the first post I have made and this may have already been said but has anyone noticed the morse code around the border on page 31. There are light green dots/dashes with red squares seperating the letters. When decoded, it spells out "near the overlook" with one letter left over that I can't figure out ( ..-.- ). Hope this helps somebody out!
 

Pestgirl,

From what I have heard on tweleve.org, ..-.- means interrogatory. It's like saying "did you copy that" when typing out morse

/Milou
 

Noob jumping in here! Just got the book yesterday, and found this forum last night. Thanks to all the stuff that's been posted, it has saved me and I'm sure many others, countless hours of deciphering.

I had a couple of thoughts, in ref to chilljill's post and a post by Lee and others about that 5 X 5 grid, quoted below (Lee's heavily clipped).

Isn't Stadther a Jewish name? Going on that, I did a little research and found the following at:

http://www.uscj.org/Terumah6594.html
The dimensions of the ark which Israel was commanded to build are listed in half cubits (2.5 by 1.5 by 1.5 cubits). This is a reminder that in trying to achieve (an understanding of) Torah we are only half way there. We must make an even greater effort without stopping to reach a full understanding of Torah. With regard to the altar, on the other hand, the dimensions are whole numbers (5 by 5 by 3 cubits) as a way of reminding us that when we approach the altar with repentance in our hearts we must do so with a whole heart (we should never be "half-hearted"). (Parparaot Latorah by Rabbi Menachem Becker)

I know this is probably "straw grasping", but someone who is Jewish might see something there?? The alter being 5 by 5 cubics, could be not just that as a old fashion measurement, but 5 by 5 "cubes" i.e. "boxes"??

ramblings just for thought----one definition of sanctuary=The holiest part of a sacred place....
the Ark of the Covenant---great treasure, was kept in the holiest part of the temple....
If one had a great treasure, where would one put it.....


HW

LeeS said:
:

An even code with one piece nary will spell out the sanctuary
Within the text you have the key for the one that is missing you did not see
with name in hand the fairies know and they will tell you where to go
A code of numbers five to a side, reveals the name where the treasures abide
Seize your token and reach your goal it is not half and it is not whole


In my mind each of these phrases leads us into another solution space.Sending us
to the next level
.....
1. An even code may be a reference to the Morse code . I hear that the companion guide
refers to using Morse code and I have satisfied my self that there is indeed at least one
verifiable clue in Morse code on one of the pages.
.....
4. The code of numbers five to a side , I haven't thought too much about that as yet. There are the three five by five boxes with various colors in them which are probably related to this clue.
.....
Lee

whisper said:
hey chillijill,

could you ask him if he is religious and what religion he is?
I'm just wondering because of the word "sanctuary"
thank you :)
whisper
 

I'm Jewish but don't see anything where you are going. Never heard
any other possible meanings for the cubit measurements - nothing about
'boxes'. That parsha is from Exodus and is quite clear in what it states.
Nothing I've ever seen in the Talmud or Midrash says anything about
'boxes' vs. cubits.

Stadthler CAN be a Jewish name, but so can McShaunessy or Armijo or
Johnson. Names being 'Jewish or not Jewish' is not all that meaningful
in the 21st century - so many conversions both ways, ya know?

Zommbee
 

zommbee said:
I'm Jewish but don't see anything where you are going.? Never heard
any other possible meanings for the cubit measurements - nothing about
'boxes'.? That parsha is from Exodus and is quite clear in what it states.
Nothing I've ever seen in the Talmud or Midrash says anything about
'boxes' vs. cubits.

Stadthler CAN be a Jewish name, but so can McShaunessy or Armijo or
Johnson.? Names being 'Jewish or not Jewish' is not all that meaningful
in the 21st century - so many conversions both ways, ya know?

Zommbee

Well, I said I was basically grasping at straws...Yes, any name can be any nationality, race or creed, especially in America, I realize that....

Wasn't saying cubits had ever referred to anything other than a measurement. I was simply saying cubits--looks similiar to, sounds similar to the word CUBE, and a cube is a BOX.....
and the altar being 5 X 5 X 3 cubits, and there are 3 pictures of 5X5 grids in the book....a 5X5X3 grid would put us into a 3D situation, but that follows with the clue something--above the earth, below the sky...??
 

Hi everyone, I just returned from the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, where I met Michael Stadther, saw the jewels (WOW) and met Robert Underhill, the jewelry designer. First and foremost, (to those of you who asked for general impressions) my immediate impression is that Michael and this contest are very legitimate. He was swarmed by schoolkids and delighted to tell them about the fairy tale, the jewels, etc. He loves kids--that's VERY apparent! Additionally, to those of you who are familiar with the dubious treasure hunt contest in the 80s, "Treasure: In Search of the Golden Horse": I asked him why the British Masquerade contest inspired him to write ATT, rather than the American "Golden Horse" contest. At the end of the 5 yr Golden Horse contest, when no one had found the buried gold horse, the contest sponsors refused to provide their official solution to the puzzle, leaving thousands of contestants in an uproar. This all was pre-web, and so contestants couldn't easily share info, etc. ?Eventually,(to avoid threatened legal action my numerous State Attorneys General), 2 contestants were purportedly "given" the location of where the horse had been buried, and they then worked backwards from the answer to find clues and publish their solution in a metal detecting magazine. Few, if any contestants accepted their illogical explanation. ?But when I asked Michael Stadther about The Golden Horse contest, he spontaneously said he had worked on it and actually solved it (also too late), but then proceeded to quickly draw a brief sketch of HOW he solved it, why he thought a part of the contest was unfair ("very, very hard") Yet the way he interpreted the clues made much more sense to us than the solution previously published. He is very credible, extremely articulate and obviously gifted.
OK, so those observations are my personal reasons for believing what he had to say about the following:
I asked him if there had been an inciting incident to cause him to recently change the wording on his website from "As of today, no tokens have been found" to "As of today, no tokens have been REDEEMED". He IMMEDIATELY and EMPHATICALLY responded, "NO! No incident! I just wanted to be extremely clear w/ my language because there's some crackpot out there (and I think he also mentioned his name) who is claiming it's been found!" I told him that I also am an author, and understand the importance of words. He restated that he wanted to make it perfectly clear that as far as he knows, as of today, nothing has been redeemed or found---but he can't come out and say that publicly or (I think he said "legally"??). And then he added, "At least that I know about"... To others who asked that I relay questions, he said he is not British, Helen is his wife, somebody asked about Helen of Troy and he said (in reference to his wife), "She's Greek". Sorry, but no comment on his religion. We moved on, as he was literally swarmed by people wanting him to sign their books. I strongly suggest that if you're in one of his tour cities, you attend a book signing. You'll find him a remarkable, intelligent and engaging man! And, the jewels??? UNBELIEVABLE!
 

Hy again Happy,

I gotcha - misunderstood the question. Sure, there COULD be something there, but
seems you'd something more concrete in order to take it further.

Good look - the fun is always in the quest!

Zommbee
 

OK, I have been standing on the sidelines long enough - - especially since all of you smart people have helped me so much in moving forward with this since I bought the book a couple of weeks ago (especially in filling in the poem). Also, this forum is much easier to navigate and follow than http://www.tweleve.org

I don't have a lot new to share necessarily but I do have a few things that I hope will be helpful.

First of all, if someone has already mentioned this I apologize but I haven't seen it on this board anywhere:

The last line of the poem reads:

The secret is not half, but it is not whole.

Also to be read as:

The secret is not half, but it IS KNOTHOLE.

Further confirmation the jewels are hidden in knotholes.

One other big fun find I haven't seen posted anywhere - - (but please forgive me if I have just missed it) is:

The song sung to Zac by the knotholes in The Dream:

Moonlike, moonlike
Dreamer one on ending, I cause your puzzling.

Those lines are an anagram of:

Look in me, look in me
Under rizing moon, a goulden prize yu will see

'Rizing' and 'goulden' are old English spellings like 'tweleve'.? I also think there is an important clue in there that can help narrow down things a bit, but I can't give it ALL away.

I think it is especially important that all of us pay attention to ANAgrams.

Gemini
 

Dear ChilliJilli,

Please share with me anything about the GOLDEN HORSE puzzle that you can remember that STADTHER shared with you.

You said he said one part was VERY VERY HARD. What kind of puzzle was it? and what was the solution?

I look forward to your posting. Thank you very much.

:)
 

zommbee said:
Hy again Happy,

I gotcha - misunderstood the question.? Sure, there COULD be something there, but
seems you'd something more concrete in order to take it further.

Good look - the fun is always in the quest!

Zommbee

okay, Zommbee....
yeah, the fun is the quest....and being able to learn stuff along the way.....
yeah, do need something more concrete in order to take it further....
but since you said you were Jewish, I'm gonna lean on ya here, tossing out stuff I have don't know nothing about, except for references I've ran across....
On the "Yorah is an anagram" thread....http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,6441.msg36591.html#msg36591
I can't quite buy that....the ones mentioned aren't in my dictionary anyway....
I came across some things about a "Yorah Deah" and I don't understand much except I think it is some part of a Jewish code of law (whether ancient or modern or both, I could not decern), scriptural laws?? Does Yorah have other meanings?
 

Hello everybody - LOVE the site, which was discovered by my 16 year old daughter. I ordered this book in December and received it today. My ten year old son went crazy and between the three of us we had the poem almost finished when my daughter found your site. It was a good feeling to know we were on the right track. The rest of the stuff is just overwhelming, though I admit my son is working hard to decipher any and all Morse code of which he claims are NOT just on the page mentioned but in the trees. I can't see it but, hey, maybe a ten year old is better at this than I am. My daughter also verified the Morse code on page 31. She also noted weird instances of numbers and letters in the trees. For example on page 10 "MS 99". Don't know if it means anything. Unlike you dedicated types, I stink at puzzles and only purchased the book because I thought it was a neat idea for the kids to dream big even if it was unlikely we'd find anything. I have just spent the last three hours reading all these posts and hate to admit I am hooked. :P
 

I could be wrong but I believe the 'MS 99' is the author's signature. That is a painting that Michael Stadther drew in 1999. Others have his full name and 2003, etc etc.

However, I have found numbers elsewhere. With a magnifying glass you can find numbers in several (but not all) of the exact locations that the fairies in the letter boxes at the beginning of chapters are pointing to.

Gemini
 

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