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Treasure Clue, can you help?

I have unsuccessfully analyzed the subpoem by Lyricalash. I chose to focus on the word "thirteen" from the subpoem. I then wrote down every eight letter word from Ye Nomenclature of Fairies and did a reverse vigenere cipher on each to get a key(ending each time with the word thirteen). I came up with no four letter Keys or any repeat sequences for a key. It appears to be bogus.
 

Jewels1302 and everyone
Haven't posted here in a while - I usually post on tweleve as renart.
Of course the subpoem has been hotly debated and I certainly don't have the answer.
I know you've worked on the cover to the nomenclature for quite a while. I finally posted the text on tweleve, so i thought it was only fair to post it here. Some people there are vetting it but it still remains very hard to uncover. Anyway, Bill, see if this will help you.

"Systems here of codes that show
Exactly what the faeries know
Faeries point to what you need
Look inside for what to heed
Learn the secret we confide
Which shows you where the treasure hides.
Stadther 03(or 02)"

This seems to indicate that something is hidden on page 38-39, though it may not be the subpoem. I think the cover contributes four lines to the original poem, since it completes the rhyme on the next two pages.
I can hear Pancho questioning this now. The method to doing the cover are posted in detail on tweleve in the images section under"method to read the n. cover." If there are artists in this group, please give it a try. You have to be very good at discerning value and color changes to pull the letters out. Michael skewed this one really well.
Chris
 

Chris,

Thanks for posting this part of the poem. I can certainly attest to the difficulty of pulling it out which I never could do completely even knowing how to do it. I think I may have a bit color blindness which complicated the issue. Anyway, Thanks for posting it.

Bill
 

Hi All, There is so much talk about a Vigenere cypher. I mentioned to someone else that if I were looking for a key to it, I would use the "Moon like moon like..." It says that the trees repeated it over and over as if trying to tell Zac something he could not understand. The only thing is, what the decipher. I've tried it on the fairy names, nothing. I've tried it on the names of the trees, nothing.

Then I started thinking of a totally different part of the book. The 5x5 code. What if in the pictures, you put a box around the fairies that are pointing, and then assemble the boxes? Or if you draw a grid over them, they are pointing to where the tokens are within a town? Like a map? Maybe this has been said before, but don't maps usually have a grid with # or letters around them to intersect a location?

One more thought, "with name in hand the fairies know..." there are 12 different types of fairies if you include the Darklings and their kin. It says in the book they are fairies. Maybe they spell out a town name with one letter missing. For example...Dobies= Boise, I and misisng D.

I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again, I believe the jewels section at the end has clues as well. Why would the pages be numbered if it didn't? It also is the only section whith numbers right in front of our eyes.

I think I'm obsessed! Or could I be possessed?
 

cal56,

My reputation precedes me it would seem! :D I am a tad skeptical, but I can't really discount your findings. It does match up with other things that we have seen in the book. I just wonder why MS would hide something so well when other lines of text are very visible. It makes me wonder what all is hiding in this book!

Anyway I simply have no room to talk at the moment as I have really neglected my own personal hunt lately. I have no idea what has been discussed as I am just not capable of sitting still long enough to keep up. It's incredibly frustrating, but the next couple of weeks look to be slowing down enough to where I can relax a little, and get my hunt back in gear.

Hope all is going well in your own searches!!
 

Hi, Pancho,
I've been on this site since early Feb, so I've read your posts. Er, as I recall, you were skeptical about my earlier posts and other peoples, that's why the comment. I posted earlier on the cover as I was working on it. I also posted a "solution" to the p. 19 text, but mostly I post on tweleve. They're pretty techie over there (and I'm not) but I like the way it's organized.

I've amended my p19 solution to read: "Locate cipher key for solution on p XX (spider or beetle - note that it has only 6 legs).

I'm working hard but no tokens yet. I'm still trying to figure out a code for any of the text, since I think that's where the exact directions will be located.
chris
 

Hello Everyone,

I have not posted in a long time. My 'other' life has been busy.

Cal56 - Thanks for sharing your findings on the cover. I have been reading about that on the other forum and though I have yet to take the time to see it for myself, I do believe that there is something there.

Gman - Sorry that your hunt isn't going well but hopefully will take a turn for the better very soon.

pancho - Never did hear how your trip to MO went.
 

I also wanted to see if anyone has tried to use all the colored letters in the book and apply them on pages 20 - 21. I am currently trying to see if that will lead to anything. I have tried to use braille using different color combos but that did not work. I have also tried morose code to no avail. I have also looked into the possiblity that each knot was a letter such as a crypto in color but could not find a a knot that repeated which leads me to think that isn't the way because there would be no vowels. Any other ideas would be great.
 

Unfortunately, I am sorry to say that I am almost certain that Lyriclash's subpoem is real. "With name in hand the faeries know, and they will show you where to go" The only other place that faeries is spelled this way is in ye nomenclature of faeries. If your still not following me let me give you a translation of that couplet in the poem. With your vignere cipher key, the fairies have your almost exact location of a token and the subpoem will show you where to go.

---Nolan

P.S. I have almost figured out the sanctuaries of the tokens. The only problem is they are states. I will not reveal where i found it yet but i'll give you all a hint. Hint: The are no intentional red herrings, posted in March, Not april 1. haha jk no the real hint is, we have been staring at this "piece" so to speak, for a long time and no one has made much of it...Until now ? ;)
 

Oh yeh, i just looked up nary on google and nary can also mean not a.

---Nolan
 

Salkns, in 12Gems's interview with MS, he said the clues were in the story (pp. 14-102). This was in response to a question on whether there were clues in the front or back matter (to use publishing terms). The reason the rest of the pages are numbered is because this is how publishers paginate books. However, important information is contained in the non-story pages. (I posted the interview here a week or two ago.)
 

LitDoc, Thanks for clarifying. There is so much posted on this book, I had to have missed it. Thanks again! :)
Nole- AWESOME!! Good luck and many blessings on your hunt! :) Will you let us all know how it goes, or will we read about it in the papers? I hope both!
 

To an extent I feel that litdoc is right, yet, why was there the number clue on the first page? ?And why is there the snail clue on the first 8 pages? ?Also, ?why show the aviator glasses, or the dandilion on the inside cover? ?These clues may lead to nothing but it does raise the question about whether or not all the pages in this book are to be included when searching for clues. ?i am going to go back and see what the exact wording used by ms was when he stated what was to be used in the book.
 

13. Is everything inside the covers, and the covers, considered parts that
may include clues., e.g., Official Rules and Appendix

i believe that i said 'the clues are within the pages of the story'.

This can be found on the top of page 26 of this forum. the wording is pretty generic and therefore can be construed many ways. Hope that this helps. ms has to be careful when answering these types of questions so that he does not give anything away.
 

Sorry to be posting again but I just remembered another clue that is on page 10 that states HIDDEN WELL NO EYE CAN SEE. I know this clue has not been ignored and again brings doubt to litdocs earlier statment about the story being between the pages of 14 - 102. Sorry litdoc but I feel that all needs to be taken into consideration.
 

Hello Everyone,

This is my first time posting, however, I have been following along with everyone for a long time. I finally came to the realization that I will probably not be able to solve this by myself, so I have decided to share everything that I have found or will find in the hopes that someone else may discover something new and share that with me. I read through just about all of the posts and I don't recall anyone making this observation, however, if I am wrong I apologize. On page 33 the picture is of all 12 creatures. However, if you look closely each of them is numbered from 1 to 12. This has to have some significance.

Ladybug - #1 (in between the Ladybug's eyes)
Snail - #2 (from the center of the Snail's shell and the blade of grass)
Spider - #3 (print on the Spider's back)
Beetle - #4 (light marks on the Beetle's back and the blade of grass)
Grasshopper - #5 (on the part of his body between his head and the lower part of his body)
Ant - #6 (the front of its body below its head with the back part of its left arm)
Hummingbird - #7 (in yellow inside its wing)
Butterfly - #8 (in the bottom half of both wings going across its body)
Catepillar - #9 (the circle around its face and the line below forming its chin)
Bee - #10 (there is a "1" in its right wing and a "0" in its left wing)
Dragonfly - #11 (its front to legs make the "11" and there is "11" in blue turned sideways next to its right eye)
Firefly - #12 (created by the Firefly's right arm and the curved antenna closes to the right arm)
 

Me Again,

Also I thought this was interesting. If you look at the number of letters in the name of each of the 12 creatures you find and interesting pattern.

Ladybug = 7
Firefly = 7

Ant = 3
Bee = 3

Spider = 6
Beetle = 6

Butterfly = 9
Dragonfly = 9

Here is where it gets interesting.

Grasshopper = 11, Caterpillar = 11, and Hummingbird = 11

This leaves Snail = 5.

Now a couple of things can be seen one is that there is no match for Snail or two Spider and Beetle are the only two even lettered creatures. Just something to think about.
 

Relddir:

Thank you for posting your finds. I don't think anyone has come up with those ideas here or in the other forums. It's nice to get a fresh perspective. Welcome to the forum and to the hunt!

Peggy
 

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