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Unbelievable 1733 8 reale error treasure coin
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Blak bart
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We all were amped up for days, and buzzing around the spot for a week. Looks like these coins were the very first off the new screw press with collar. There were multiple dies, and this one was flawed....someone is looking in Mexican Bank records for some info on this stuff
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lots of ways to get crud on a die there!
I'm seeing different dies being used just in the samples you posted. Looking at the other pillars, I see the bases are different too. Also one has a floating crown! As crude as minting was back then, I would imagine there are all sorts of differences between coins from the same date and mint.
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Agreed, every die was handmade and there are going to be differences between all of them. Add to that dies wear further altering the details. The planchet is the blank that the coin is struck on, so a difference in the design would have nothing to do with the planchet, if the difference is in the die it would be classified as a variety.
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Ok... 🤞
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That was an amazing time that you guys had at the site. One must wonder what is actually still under the road system, or what was recovered when it was done in the first place.
Hoping for great results that this coin is a winner.
Hoping for great results that this coin is a winner.
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Blak bart
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Die variety....im learning. The floating pillar variety 1733 8 reale milled pillar dollar !! WOOOO HOOOO !! As Icutler explained!! The defect was in the die !! Now the question is how many struck coins made it off the press before it was caught ?? And out of those how many were melted after salvaging from the wrecks? and how many are still in the wild locked under US1 and a foot of asphalt and brick ? How many die varieties are there ?? So cool to think we may have the first seen of this variety, and with the rare F mint mark !! Most of these coins seen are of the MX mint mark.
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Blak bart
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One of these posts has a link to the screw press and how it works, and yes....it was the first of a new process....im seeing the difference in crowns too....my terminology was lacking, but I did see that crown looked a tiny bit different. There are 5, maybe 6 different varieties now. It seems a rival treasure hunter here has collected 5 different die varieties in 1732, and 1733 pillars that he has......apparently he has quite a few ?
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Blak bart
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Thank you so much for that clarification....it really makes a difference in understanding what we are seeing, and allows me to describe more accurately to the experts !! My lack of terminology wasn't helping me at all.....its not an error....its a die variety!! I've herd unofficially from another hunter that he has seen 5 varieties in his collection for the first 2 years...I can't confirm this, because there's just not to many documented examples. Most are of the MX mint mark, and not the F mint mark we find on the wrecks.....most of the first 2 years of these iconic coins sank in the 1733 fleet disaster.....the ones that were salvaged were almost entirely melted and given to the catholic church to atone for king phillip the 5ths sins !! It was said the church blamed him for the loss of life......his vanity in delaying the departure of the fleets sailing so that his precious new milled coins could be finished was directly responsible for the fleet sailing late into hurricane season !! So what's left of these special 8 reales lie scattered amongst the keys !!
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Blak bart
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The emerging theory is that there was a cache of coins stashed here by salveagers or survivors. Later during railroad construction this cache was disturbed, but not noticed by the crew. Later a German immigrant "Homer ludwig" may have found gold coins here on the beach from this rail disturbance. There is a whole legend about him and his coins. Some threads exist here relating the legend. Anyway the 1935 hurricane blew away the railroad, and they started the road way....the cache was again disturbed and coins were scattered on the beach and dune. Digging with heavy equipment back then actually broke open a lost or buried chest (I have iron remnants of it) Later in the late 60s, early 70s......people started finding coins, emeralds, gold chain, and all types of the 1733 coinage, and earlier cobb coins, klippe coins, and the very first milled 8s. Thousands were picked up over the years with many other treasures. In the 2000s I started hitting it and zeroed in quickly on this chest site, and finally the big dig....they got that chest in the digger, because there was a large clump of fused coins found....with a couple gold escudos. The coins I found in earlier years had been disturbed from this main source !! This all played out over a number of years, culminating with the big road dig....everything is locked up tight under road and brick now.....sealed until the next category 5 hurricane 🌀 rips it all back up !!
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Incredible thanks for shareing
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The story that can't get any better keeps doing it.
Congrats to the guy who found this one. It sounds like it could definitely be a die engraving issue.
I believe each die was created by hand or a grease filled die might be a possibility.
Congrats to the guy who found this one. It sounds like it could definitely be a die engraving issue.
I believe each die was created by hand or a grease filled die might be a possibility.
villagenut
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love the whole story and treasure hunt....wonder how the worker did with those removed spoils. It does look as if the whole pillar is higher than the other.
