What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?

[gjb]

I don't think he was, he got involved, by Wilkins sending him the derrotero because he couldn't fathom it out and thought maybe Latcham could,(because of his speaking Spanish and knowledge of digs etc on the coast), which is how Latcham was able to reproduce it. They obviously did communicate in the 1930s, but I was never able to locate any of the correspondence. Cousino and Co. got mixed up with the Coquimbo search on the coast in the 1940s. Something dodgy was going on with a copper plate dug up showing a 'modern' naval gun from the early 1900s! The problem is, the Webb letter was sent back to Anson by someone back in the 1700s. Can only be someone he trusted to do so on his death. It was never dug up on the coast. By the way, I have yet to see a comment on my recent 'Pristarius' thread to you. Did you see it?

Hi George

With respect, you’re only assuming that Wilkins and Latcham communicated in the 1930s. I did wonder myself but, like you, found no evidence. Surely, Wilkins would likely have found out about Latcham’s Guayacán activities on his own due to his deep interest in treasure hunting.

Also, which Derrotero are you thinking that Wilkins sent Latcham, is there an image? Is this perhaps one of the Coquimbo / Guayacán maps in Latcham (p.102-105) that he reported were among Castro's finds, that "se encontraron entre los documentos" (p.104)?

Concerning Pristarius, I’ve no information at all about why Wilkins picked on this name. For all anyone knows, it could be Prime Star Scorpius (or even Sagittarius). However, I take it that Scorpius was chosen due to the appearance of ‘Altitude Schuba’ in the Anson story, though I assume that you’re aware that Dschubba is the prime star of δ (delta) Scorpii not of the constellation itself.

 

[Cryptid1990]

If you want to be blind to the obvious, I'll let you get on with it. The Anson code? mine is the obvious sensible practical solution. Anson was a naval man, the solution is naval/navigation related to his expedition. As I said, you are always blind to the obvious. For some strange reason it appears you cannot accept that, because you can't work anything out, then neither can anyone else! A decent sort would say; 'That's a good clever effort, but I don't go along with it because..........?? So let's see your workings! I have more important things to do at the moment, so will not be wasting any more time on it.

A big part of the solution to the Kidd-Palmer maps is very probably in literary fiction including Treasure Island. The faked pedigree notes that came with some of the furniture pieces also contain various clues, allusions and hints to Alice in Wonderland. Similarly, if you see my recent comment here, you will find I have identified 'John S' Rough Map' as Wild Cat Island by John 'Swallow' from the novel Swallows and Amazons (1930). My view is the hoaxer was primarily basing the maps they drew (that deliberately ended up in Hubert Palmer's collection) on literary fictional islands/places (Wild Cat Island, Treasure Island, Wonderland, etc). I am really not interested in Anson. You wrote a lengthy book and have left comments here but all your claims about Anson, Pinaki, etc., are literally devoid of evidence. For example, where is the evidence (let alone proof beyond reasonable doubt) Harold T. Wilkins found an "Anson file" in the British Museum? Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

 

[freeman]

A big part of the solution to the Kidd-Palmer maps is very probably in literary fiction including Treasure Island. The faked pedigree notes that came with some of the furniture pieces also contain various clues, allusions and hints to Alice in Wonderland. Similarly, if you see my recent comment here, you will find I have identified 'John S' Rough Map' as Wild Cat Island by John 'Swallow' from the novel Swallows and Amazons (1930). My view is the hoaxer was primarily basing the maps they drew (that deliberately ended up in Hubert Palmer's collection) on literary fictional islands/places (Wild Cat Island, Treasure Island, Wonderland, etc). I am really not interested in Anson. You wrote a lengthy book and have left comments here but all your claims about Anson, Pinaki, etc., are literally devoid of evidence. For example, where is the evidence (let alone proof beyond reasonable doubt) Harold T. Wilkins found an "Anson file" in the British Museum? Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

I dunno. But I think the guys arguing here about the Kidd/Palmer maps really need to be talking to the original Michigan team on The Curse of Oak Island because a lot of what they are going back and forth about now came out 10 years ago after the (staged) 'Anson' intervention on the show. The production research began to head in that direction but not let the audience in on the full extent of what they found out or where they are now with it,

You know, things like this that leaked out from there:

That the stated position that 'no one knows what went on there as nothing exists to say what did' was a total lie,

How Wilkins copied details for his Captain Kidd treasure map from this Latcham guy they are talking about.

Or that the 1937 Hedden/'Wilkins is mad' Oak Island treasure map coincidence story didn't happen the way it's been told now because Wilkins showed Hedden he had drawn the Kidd/Palmer maps:

Then the Anson document that the Oak Island crew became privy to was written in the same handwriting as on the Kidd/Palmer maps. Hence there was some map that from the start was related to all this that had been behind the Oak Island search but which was being deliberately mis-named as being Kidd's treasure.

But that was at least ten years ago.

I wouldn't try going to ask the B team members of the show as they are all under NDAs with the production company & have to go along with the made up storylines each ep.

The principals are free to speak so they might need to talk with Marty or Rick directly about where they are up to now with it all.

 

[Cryptid1990]

I dunno. But I think the guys arguing here about the Kidd/Palmer maps really need to be talking to the original Michigan team on The Curse of Oak Island because a lot of what they are going back and forth about now came out 10 years ago after the (staged) 'Anson' intervention on the show. The production research began to head in that direction but not let the audience in on the full extent of what they found out or where they are now with it,

You know, things like this that leaked out from there:

That the stated position that 'no one knows what went on there as nothing exists to say what did' was a total lie,

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How Wilkins copied details for his Captain Kidd treasure map from this Latcham guy they are talking about.

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Or that the 1937 Hedden/'Wilkins is mad' Oak Island treasure map coincidence story didn't happen the way it's been told now because Wilkins showed Hedden he had drawn the Kidd/Palmer maps:

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Then the Anson document that the Oak Island crew became privy to was written in the same handwriting as on the Kidd/Palmer maps. Hence there was some map that from the start was related to all this that had been behind the Oak Island search but which was being deliberately mis-named as being Kidd's treasure.
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But that was at least ten years ago.

I wouldn't try going to ask the B team members of the show as they are all under NDAs with the production company & have to go along with the made up storylines each ep.

The principals are free to speak so they might need to talk with Marty or Rick directly about where they are up to now with it all.

Your post is a lot of misinformation. Wilkins never admitted to Gilbert Hedden to having drawn the Kidd-Palmer maps. You have taken out of context a letter Wilkins wrote by omitting large parts of its text. The letter can be read in full here (relevant snippet):

Wilkins admitted in 1937 to Gilbert Hedden to having drawn the Mar Del map (there are two variants) but not the so-called Kidd-Palmer maps. In fact, Wilkins admitted publicly in an article a few months after his 1935 book was published to having drawn the Mar Del map and clarified this in more detail in later articles (see: "Mystery of the Pirates Chart", FATE vol 3, no. 8 (December 1950), p. 29).

- Harold T. Wilkins, The Listener (3 July 1935)

Wilkins was denied permission by Hubert Palmer to reproduce or photograph the Kidd-Palmer maps but the publisher of his 1935 book demanded illustrations so he had had no option but to draw a map himself (hence the Mar Del). The Mar Del map should not be confused with the Kidd-Palmer maps. Wilkins did not draw the latter. It is also obvious he drew the Mar Del map since it has his name underneath it as a copyright. Hubert Palmer denied anyone else permission to closely copy the maps hence you find different drawings:

- Teale, E. "New clews aid search for Oak Island's gold," Popular Science vol. 134, no. 6 (1 June, 1939): 106-109, 226, 228.

Then the Anson document that the Oak Island crew became privy to was written in the same handwriting as on the Kidd/Palmer maps.

It only looks that way from a glimpse because they are capital letters but the style of specific letters is clearly different.

There is no reliable evidence actually linking the Kidd-Palmer maps to Oak Island.

 

[gjb]

Nobody seems at all keen to ask why it is that prior to 1937 Wilkins was adamant that the maps did not apply to Oak Island and that Kidd had never landed on it, but had completely changed his mind on both counts by 1938. So, what happened in 1937 to cause this volte-face?

Obviously, it was Hedden’s visit. After speaking with Hedden, Wilkins was able to put two and two together from information in his possession and realised that the instructions on his maps had every chance of relating to Oak Island.

It was then that Wilkins’ brother, Gordon, began to suspect that maybe the Palmer maps might also pertain to Oak Island. Harold wasn’t initially convinced, but acknowledged that this was a possibility. However, he struggled to work out what the instructions might mean.

He had indications that the treasure was on one side of a body of water (the Lake) with the land rising on either side (the Valley) and a landing place nearby having a rock with a ring-bolt. However, he had no clues in his possession that might help him to break into the cryptic instructions.

It was then that he began making enquiries into possible Kidd activity in Nova Scotia, having contact with James Nolan, Herman Westhaver and Robert Gay, culminating in his book A Modern Treasure Hunter.

Until his death, Wilkins was firm in his belief that the instructions on his maps pertained to Oak Island.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Nobody seems at all keen to ask why it is that prior to 1937 Wilkins was adamant that the maps did not apply to Oak Island and that Kidd had never landed on it, but had completely changed his mind on both counts by 1938. So, what happened in 1937 to cause this volte-face?

Obviously, it was Hedden’s visit. After speaking with Hedden, Wilkins was able to put two and two together from information in his possession and realised that the instructions on his maps had every chance of relating to Oak Island.

It was then that Wilkins’ brother, Gordon, began to suspect that maybe the Palmer maps might also pertain to Oak Island. Harold wasn’t initially convinced, but acknowledged that this was a possibility. However, he struggled to work out what the instructions might mean.

He had indications that the treasure was on one side of a body of water (the Lake) with the land rising on either side (the Valley) and a landing place nearby having a rock with a ring-bolt. However, he had no clues in his possession that might help him to break into the cryptic instructions.

It was then that he began making enquiries into possible Kidd activity in Nova Scotia, having contact with James Nolan, Herman Westhaver and Robert Gay, culminating in his book A Modern Treasure Hunter.

Until his death, Wilkins was firm in his belief that the instructions on his maps pertained to Oak Island.

Wilkins made up the instructions on the Del Mar map(s):

I added a legend for the location of the cache which was totally different from the original. It was meant only as an illustration for my book.

- "Mystery of the Pirates Chart", FATE vol 3, no. 8 (December 1950), p. 29

He made these up ex nihilo:

However, you are correct he later (after speaking with Hedden) believed these instructions from his imagination were pointing to a real treasure. This discrepancy (made up instructions becoming clues to a buried treasure) is explained by the fact he delusionally began to think he was the reincarnation of Captain Kidd and/or that these instructions he wrote were automatic writing by Kidd.

Until his death, Wilkins was firm in his belief that the instructions on his maps pertained to Oak Island.

Sure but that is not evidence for anything since the reason for his change was his nonsense belief he was reincarnated as a pirate, namely Kidd. It was Hedden who was the catalyst for this craziness because he argued (and somehow convinced) Wilkins that the instructions on the Mar Del map(s) are landmarks on Oak Island (he was wrong of course). For what it's worth there is a summary of above on following link:

Hedden was convinced more than ever that the chart in Wilkins’ book was a genuine Oak Island treasure map. Determined to follow this new and exciting lead, he decided to travel to England and meet Harold Wilkins in person. When Hedden informed the writer of his intentions, Wilkins wrote back that he was willing to meet with the treasure hunter, but that such a journey would be a waste of time, as the map in his book was definitely not an Oak Island treasure map. Nevertheless, Hedden made the trip to England and met with Wilkins in December, 1937, in his London hotel room outside Green Park, Piccadilly. His experience was both strange and discouraging.

Upon meeting Hedden, the English author confessed that the map in his book was, in fact, a diagram of his own devising. His publisher had demanded that he include some sort of authentic-looking treasure map in his book. Hubert Palmer, the owner of the four Captain Kidd maps which Wilkins described in his book, would not allow him to publish photos of his charts, and so Wilkins had no choice but to draw his own treasure map based on his recollection of Palmer’s maps. When his publishers further stipulated that his map contain instructions on how to locate the treasure for added spice, Wilkins fabricated the three lines of directions using nothing more than his imagination. Baffled by the remarkable connection between Wilkins’ ad-libbed treasure hunting instructions and the landmarks on Oak Island, Hedden told the journalist all about the mysterious drilled stones, the stone triangle, the Cave-in Pit, and the oak tree believed to have once stood beside the Money Pit, and the uncanny relationship between these landmarks and the instructions on Wilkins’ map. As Hedden explained the extraordinary coincidence, Wilkins became convinced that he must be the reincarnation of a 17th Century pirate, perhaps even Captain Kidd himself, and that his subconscious mind had conjured up some long-forgotten memory of the map leading to Kidd’s lost treasure, buried on Oak Island. After Wilkins enthusiastically revealed his conviction to Hedden, the latter began to suspect that the journalist was, in his words, “every bit as crazy as his book would make him seem.”

 

[Bocaj]

So

Wilkins made up the instructions on the Del Mar map(s):



- "Mystery of the Pirates Chart", FATE vol 3, no. 8 (December 1950), p. 29

He made these up ex nihilo: View attachment 2241098 View attachment 2241097

However, you are correct he later (after speaking with Hedden) believed these instructions from his imagination were pointing to a real treasure. This discrepancy (made up instructions becoming clues to a buried treasure) is explained by the fact he delusionally began to think he was the reincarnation of Captain Kidd and/or that these instructions he wrote were automatic writing by Kidd.


Sure but that is not evidence for anything since the reason for his change was his nonsense belief he was reincarnated as a pirate, namely Kidd. It was Hedden who was the catalyst for this craziness because he argued (and somehow convinced) Wilkins that the instructions on the Mar Del map(s) are landmarks on Oak Island (he was wrong of course). For what it's worth there is a summary of above on following link:

So all everything he did was all invented? Fact or fiction that is the question and frankly I like to get back to the facts. The only thing that ever made me look deeper into the Palmer/Kidd maps were the similarities with the first Avery letter (the only fact that I can find that shows it could be more than just a fantasy) from there on it seems all to get more confusing. No wonder someone like Wilkins starts to think he is Kidd reincarnated.

I feel it would be a profitable business to open an asylum with all those who ever chased this treasure.

 

[Cryptid1990]

So

So all everything he did was all invented? Fact or fiction that is the question and frankly I like to get back to the facts. The only thing that ever made me look deeper into the Palmer/Kidd maps were the similarities with the first Avery letter (the only fact that I can find that shows it could be more than just a fantasy) from there on it seems all to get more confusing. No wonder someone like Wilkins starts to think he is Kidd reincarnated.

I feel it would be a profitable business to open an asylum with all those who ever chased this treasure.

Wilkins indeed made up the Mar Del map(s) including instructions from his imagination. He was open about this in his articles:

The author drew up the treasure map out of his imagination - then suddenly strange things began to happen.

I sat down in my den and out of my imagination I drew a chart a 17th century buccaneer might have produced.

I added a legend for the location of the cache which was totally different from the original. It was meant only as an illustration for my book.

- "Mystery of the Pirates Chart", FATE vol 3, no. 8 (December 1950), p. 29

Gilbert Hedden in 1937 told Wilkins that the instructions [1935] he wrote on the Mar Del map(s) resemble landmarks on Oak Island which caused Wilkins to believe that when he wrote the instructions it was done subconsciously through automatic writing because he was the reincarnation of a pirate, namely Kidd himself. Wilkins delusionally believed the instructions he wrote were produced without his own conscious intention and therefore attributed the instructions to Kidd. Needless to say, CapnGeorge and Gjb have wasted a lot of time erroneously believing the instructions on the Mar Del map(s) point to a real treasure and Wilkins copied the instructions from a mysterious "file". Gjb claims this file relates to Oak Island, while CapnGeorge, describes it as an "Anson file" (he thinks Wilkins accessed in the British Museum). There is no evidence whatsoever for either of these very improbable claims which Wilkins' own writings contradict (see above). Wilkins (1950) was clear he made up the instructions: "meant only as an illustration for my book" meaning he did not copy them from a file.

 

[Cryptid1990]

It appears you are just not capable of using common sense. My proposals are practical and fit in with what it is all about, not number playing- not St Peters in Rome! I didn't make the figures up, Wilkins obviously did, and just because I propose the obvious most sensible use of his figures, it's all rubbish. Wilkins hints at Pinaki in a lot of his books, why? why not any other atoll? Please show us how the coordinates on the key chart do not fit Pinaki when measured from the Cadiz meridian.

Actually, all you do is play around arbitrarily with numbers hence in 1996 you came up with a completely different site for the treasure. Post-2016 you now propose a different site by number playing again which is an arbitrary exercise. What you are doing is little different than so-called 'date setters' who produce arbitrary dates for the end of the world from interpreting biblical scripture. Come back when you realise how to evaluate a thing called evidence. 🥱

 

[Cryptid1990]

Hi guys, forget the palmer maps they may have not been even been drawn by Captain Kidd himself, however included in my book (which you can get from your local library) he did draw and sign a rare map and that depicts Oak Island. Is there really a great treasure beneath Oak Island? yep, and if I get a call from the present searchers this year I will bring their quest to a successful conclusion and end your frustration and doubt.
Keep the faith and your fingers crossed.
Oak Island Sage

Like CapnGeorge, you do not provide credible evidence for your claims. Evidence Kidd drew the map? Evidence the map depicts Oak Island (despite huge differences in topography)? Evidence of a "great treasure" beneath oak island? It is getting ridiculous how many people come to this thread (and similar threads) making evidence-free assertions.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Last sentence- Wrong! The Mar Del maps have to be used together (why are the instructions different??) they evaluate out to the lat and long of Pinaki. Fancy that, I wonder why?? As I said to Bocaj, keep calm, if you can't get your head around it don't worry. But cryptid, really! I did not make those figures up!

The instructions are different on the two Mar Del maps because Wilkins misplaced the original Mar Del map when the book publisher wanted a copy of the map for the inside covers. Wilkins mentioned this somewhere and Gjb notes as follows in one of his books -

The instructions are 100% imaginary made up by Wilkins' and they differ on the two variants of the Mar Del map because he misplaced the original map he drew. So you literally have wasted your time on made up instructions falsely believing they are clues to a treasure. 🤦‍♂️

 

[Bocaj]

The instructions are different on the two Mar Del maps because Wilkins misplaced the original Mar Del map when the book publisher wanted a copy of the map for the inside covers. Wilkins mentioned this somewhere and Gjb notes as follows in one of his books -

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The instructions are 100% imaginary made up by Wilkins' and they differ on the two variants of the Mar Del map because he misplaced the original map he drew. So you literally have wasted your time on made up instructions falsely believing they are clues to a treasure. 🤦‍♂️

I do not know why but I start to feel bad. It seems this has nothing to do with treasure hunting but some kind of religion with the location of treasure island its final dogma. Every logic applied to it will be ignored the way a true believer is rejects the devil.

Actually I would like to declare that both Oak Island and Pinaki are the places Kidd's and Anson's treasures are buried. Both, I don't know how - I am sure George find an explication for it - produced the same treasure maps. Now everyone is happy and I can have better sleep tonight not full of fear to end like Oedipus the seeker of truth.

 

[Crow]

I do not know why but I start to feel bad. It seems this has nothing to do with treasure hunting but some kind of religion with the location of treasure island its final dogma. Every logic applied to it will be ignored the way a true believer is rejects the devil.

Actually I would like to declare that both Oak Island and Pinaki are the places Kidd's and Anson's treasures are buried. Both, I don't know how - I am sure George find an explication for it - produced the same treasure maps. Now everyone is happy and I can have better sleep tonight not full of fear to end like Oedipus the seeker of truth.

The problem is that when a person deviates so much from the facts as we know them from original documents, you end up speculating too much. The more one speculates, the more one goes down the rabbit hole of what ifs, until you convince yourself that what is speculation is fact.

And than was trouble with many book authors, the race to publish without ever doing serious research, for the fact blindly copying from one treasure author to another. If you want to find real treasure, search for archival documents, not treasure-hunting books written two hundred years later. Treasure for them is flogging books, not actually searching for treasure.

That said, nothing is easy.

Crow

 

[gjb]

The problem is that when a person deviates so much from the facts as we know them from original documents, you end up speculating too much. The more one speculates, the more one goes down the rabbit hole of what ifs, until you convince yourself that what is speculation is fact.

And than was trouble with many book authors, the race to publish without ever doing serious research, for the fact blindly copying from one treasure author to another. If you want to find real treasure, search for archival documents, not treasure-hunting books written two hundred years later. Treasure for them is flogging books, not actually searching for treasure.

That said, nothing is easy.

Crow

You should be telling that to Cryptid. He's the one chasing internet sources, not getting out there and talking to those who were involved and tracking down their correspondence. He's the one ignoring what's in the primary sources. He's the one not listening. He's the one declaring that only he has all the answers.

As a result, this so-called 'enquiry' is going nowhere and, frankly, I've had enough of the insults, the lack of objectivity and the refusal to be open-minded. You want to ignore what's in Wilkins' personal files? You want to ignore his stated aims, his motives, his thinking, strategy and tactics? Fine. Go ahead, you're on your own, but you're sure to fail if you carry on like this.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Just FYI, insults will not be tolerated, please report them when they occur so they can be addressed. Disagreeing is allowed, insults are not.

 

[Cryptid1990]

You should be telling that to Cryptid. He's the one chasing internet sources, not getting out there and talking to those who were involved and tracking down their correspondence. He's the one ignoring what's in the primary sources. He's the one not listening. He's the one declaring that only he has all the answers.

As a result, this so-called 'enquiry' is going nowhere and, frankly, I've had enough of the insults, the lack of objectivity and the refusal to be open-minded. You want to ignore what's in Wilkins' personal files? You want to ignore his stated aims, his motives, his thinking, strategy and tactics? Fine. Go ahead, you're on your own, but you're sure to fail if you carry on like this.

Online public archives are digitising old articles everyday and making them freely accessible. This explains how I managed to find Driscoll's [1930] article in which he quotes and paraphrases Hubert Palmer's correspondence by letter. This article in the Lincoln Star was not publicly uploaded and digitised on the internet prior to 2022 (Lincoln Star Newspaper Archive) [although a few years earlier it was digitised on a pay-to-access site]. Driscoll's "Pirate's Ahoy" was a syndicated newspaper column hence I managed to find the same article in The Pittsburgh Press by searching Google News Archive (the article must have been digitised prior to 2011). Driscoll mentioned Palmer's name in two of his books (Doubloons: The Story of Buried Treasure, 1930; Pirates Ahoy, 1941) and this prompted me to use search terms like "Charles B. Driscoll and Hubert Palmer" to find it. Anyway, my point is - if you want to access Palmer's correspondence concerning the so-called Kidd-Palmer maps you have to search newspaper/book archives and since most, if not all these archives are digitising their collections, these are valuable 'internet sources' you are foolishly disparaging. The fact you did not use online archives to find Driscoll's [1930] article like I did, explains why your books contain an error about the date Palmer acquired the Hardy Chest (Howlett [1958] and Edmunds [1996] made a similar error). Hubert Palmer wrote letters to a lot of different people and it is probable that another article will show up in a digital archive quoting his correspondence but given your attitude it is not you who is going to find it. It is your own 'enquiry' that is going nowhere.

 

[Bocaj]

Just reminding everyone here that this specific thread is about:

What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps? ​

Not about to solve the riddle. I think we all got carried away to much and it is best to get back to what we originally were looking for.

 

[BennyV]

Just reminding everyone here that this specific thread is about:

What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps? ​

Not about to solve the riddle. I think we all got carried away to much and it is best to get back to what we originally were looking for.

This thread went off the rails a long time ago.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Just reminding everyone here that this specific thread is about:

What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps? ​

Not about to solve the riddle. I think we all got carried away to much and it is best to get back to what we originally were looking for.

On 23 July 1957, the four maps were offered for sale by Elizabeth Dick. We know this because of newspaper reports which quote Dick's own words, confirming she was offering to sell the maps:

- The Spokesman-Review (23 July 1957)

- Evening News (London) (23 July 1957)

A few days later, a potential buyer named John Smith confirmed Dick was selling the maps and he had opened negotiations:

- Birmingham Daily Post (26 July 1957)

It will be noted these newspaper sources disprove Gjb's claim the maps were sold in 1956 to Maurice Taylor. If he disputes this, he would need to explain (a) why Dick was speaking to journalists and advertising to sell the maps a year later, and (b) why there was at least one individual who was not Taylor (i.e., John Smith) who entered into negotiations with her a year later to buy the maps. Can he explain?

Aside from these newspaper articles, Dick's nephew, E. A. Furbear, thought that Dick continued to own at least one map until 1964:

- Saskatoon Star-Phoenix (8 October 1965)

 

[Cryptid1990]

This thread went off the rails a long time ago.

I think it has run out of steam. It might though be worthwhile revisiting in 6+ months to check if there is new information.