XP DEUS 2

[brianc053]

I saw in the thread just below this one where he suggested he'd be testing one. I wouldn't need it to be waterproof because I wouldn't be doing any water hunting. 100 % of my time is spent on 250 -350 year old sites. Mostly in sandy farm fields.

Hi gwdigger. I sent you a private message with a couple questions, please take a look.
- Brian

 

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[49er12]

I hear you on it collecting dust, but it would be a great back up machine.
Option 2: Sell the present set up and buy the new one.
Option 3: Wait, wonder, wish like most will do.
I have 3 machines that collect dust.
Probably will now unload the Minelab stable, and buy this one if the reviews are great.

Very good point, just think of cost of coils etc, unless it can go deeper and separation, 1500.00 doesn’t justify there wireless tech compared, u have to charge multiple items. To each own , but wait and see the new notka nov 19th half the price, good thoughts

 

[pepperj]

I saw in the thread just below this one where he suggested he'd be testing one. I wouldn't need it to be waterproof because I wouldn't be doing any water hunting. 100 % of my time is spent on 250 -350 year old sites. Mostly in sandy farm fields.

I don't dive either but I do detect in rainy weather. I have the gear that allows me to be out in rainy days. but when the machine can be compromised by water is an issue for me.

Very good point, just think of cost of coils etc, unless it can go deeper and separation, 1500.00 doesn’t justify there wireless tech compared, u have to charge multiple items. To each own , but wait and see the new notka nov 19th half the price, good thoughts

I can't comment on what a Notka machine will do/can't.
Never seen or touched one as the 3 manufactures I have had were Whites/Minelab/now the Dues
Minelabs were/are not cheap then the changing of the coils, and when a machine comes in at 5-6lbs it makes an old arm ache.
Sure one can swing one for a couple of hours-every week or so-no problem.
I'm very familiar in swinging the SE, Etrac, 3030 for hunts that lasted 10-14 days-8-12hrs a day.
I don't think I have seen or heard of anyone using a Notka machine.
Minelab/Deus/Whites/Fisher in the order of popularity the first two on the list probably covering 80% of the machines.
Times where one will swing for hours, and dig only a few signals-it wears on you.
Swing cords will be the only answer for many, and if one has a pain it will inflame.

My present XP Deus with the HF coil, pinpointer I"m in the $3K range already.
But swinging something that only weighs a couple of pounds, makes for a comfortable hunt.
The comfort level in detecting and the weather makes for more recoveries.
Just a small thing I have noticed over the past 50+ yrs of digging in the dirt.

The new machine that Deus has released is interesting, and will it be a game changer-I shall see.

Though not discounting the yet to be released Notka-will it be contender we all have to see?

 

[Iron Buzz]

Well, as I kinda figured, from what I’ve gathered so far...the new FMF coil or coils are strictly Deus II coils, where the X-35 and HF coils seem to be strictly for the original Deus and ORX. If anyone knows this for sure, please let me know. I’m still interested, while my wallet say “you’ll do no such thing”

Like most, I’ll let the guys that buy it guide my decisions about it’s worth...and go from there.

With both Deus models, the "smarts" are actually in the coil (which is why a coil costs as much as some entire detectors). There is no way that the older coils can work with the new machine... the new coils ARE the new machine.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Don't care if it takes 2 years, I'll wait for calabash to thoroughly test the machine on youtube before I pull the trigger. I'm more than happy with my current Deus. Been using one for so many years now I don't want to mess w/ the sounds.

I am eager to get one, but I keep reminding myself that the machine is a tiny part of detecting success, and that in MOST situations, any machine will work as well as any other as long as you put the coil over something good. Research is 90% of metal detecting success, not machine. If you're not in a good spot, I don't care what machine you have or how much you paid for it. You won't find squat.

True, there are difficult sites (most of what I hunt would be described as that) but even there, a good many finds can be made without fancy gear. A high-end machine is the edge that might help you get that one coin that was masked by a nearby square nail or was 1/2" deeper than what the lesser machine can detect. OK, off my soap box.

 

[CarsonChris]

I put my name on a customer order list for the Deus II with the 9" coil. I like the new tones it produces more than the tones on the original. I like the frequency variables they list on their programs. If all else fails I can switch to a single frequency.

 

[Iron Buzz]

I put my name on a customer order list for the Deus II with the 9" coil. I like the new tones it produces more than the tones on the original. I like the frequency variables they list on their programs. If all else fails I can switch to a single frequency.

Where did you hear the new tones?

 

[CarsonChris]

Where did you hear the new tones?

The tones are XP's website.

 

[gwdigger]

I am eager to get one, but I keep reminding myself that the machine is a tiny part of detecting success, and that in MOST situations, any machine will work as well as any other as long as you put the coil over something good. Research is 90% of metal detecting success, not machine. If you're not in a good spot, I don't care what machine you have or how much you paid for it. You won't find squat.

True, there are difficult sites (most of what I hunt would be described as that) but even there, a good many finds can be made without fancy gear. A high-end machine is the edge that might help you get that one coin that was masked by a nearby square nail or was 1/2" deeper than what the lesser machine can detect. OK, off my soap box.

Actually the machine makes a huge difference IMO. Me with a Deus in a heavy iron bed beats the pants off of me with several other detectors in the same iron bed. Been there, done that. Side by side comparisons to boot.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Actually the machine makes a huge difference IMO. Me with a Deus in a heavy iron bed beats the pants off of me with several other detectors in the same iron bed. Been there, done that. Side by side comparisons to boot.

What I was saying (or trying to say) is that even the best machine in the world isn't going to find something if it isn't there. Much more important than the machine is the location.

 

[Iron Buzz]

I'm puzzled why XP didn't release beta machines to people like Gary Blackwell and other YouTube "influencers" way ahead of time so there would have been all sorts of tutorials and reviews by now. I want to see one in action before I drop my money on the table.

I'm sure those are coming, but they should have been out there the day of the public release or within days of it.

 

[Iron Buzz]

The tones are XP's website.

Oh, yeah, OK. I did see that little thing. Couldn't really tell much from that.

 

[49er12]

Look folks I’m not dogging these companies, we need them so they push the other, I think depth and separation have to be most important, most finds have been discovered in shallower grounds, nobody is replenhing the ground with old coins etc, so we need deeper, and better separation because many coins are next to junk iron etc which we ignore or don’t go slow enough to differentiat, my opinio. Limits on the actual power in detectors also. Thanks

 

[JVA5th]

I'll share another thought based on an experience yesterday: If the Deus 2 will perform well in a park where I'm looking for coins (and specifically older silver coins), then maybe I'll be interested in the Deus 2.
Yesterday's experience: I took both my Deus 1 and my Equinox to a local park where I found a 1944 Walking Half earlier this week (https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-a-walking-half-appeared.662917/#post-6837161).
I thought I'd try the Deus 1 first (I normally don't use the Deus in parks). This park has targets everywhere, so when the Deus pinged a 90 VDI I dug this first target - and it was a pulltab. The next target pinged in the mid 80's and I had a feeling it was another pulltab - and it was. But the 3rd target was a really nice 93-94, so I dug that up - and it was a piece of aluminum.
I turned around and put the Deus back in the car and grabbed my Equinox. I spent another 90 minutes detecting with the Nox and dug sixty (60) coins (no silver) - and only 4 more pieces of trash.
Maybe I need to learn the nuances of how the Deus 1 identifies trash vs. coins, but - why should I? In a park hands-down the Equinox is just so much easier to use.

So, if the Deus 2 addresses this issue and can be as accurate with identification and as easy to use in parks then maybe I'll consider it. Otherwise, the Nox is my park detector (and the Deus 1 remains my old homesite iron-infested ground detector).

Yeah the Deus is a no go in aluminum infested parks. It is terrible at telling the difference between good targets and that. No matter what I've tried nothing seems to help with that. I think if they fixed that then maybe perhaps I'd take a tiny interest in the new Deus(maybe)

 

[CZKidd]

I'll share another thought based on an experience yesterday: If the Deus 2 will perform well in a park where I'm looking for coins (and specifically older silver coins), then maybe I'll be interested in the Deus 2.
Yesterday's experience: I took both my Deus 1 and my Equinox to a local park where I found a 1944 Walking Half earlier this week (https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...-a-walking-half-appeared.662917/#post-6837161).
I thought I'd try the Deus 1 first (I normally don't use the Deus in parks). This park has targets everywhere, so when the Deus pinged a 90 VDI I dug this first target - and it was a pulltab. The next target pinged in the mid 80's and I had a feeling it was another pulltab - and it was. But the 3rd target was a really nice 93-94, so I dug that up - and it was a piece of aluminum.
I turned around and put the Deus back in the car and grabbed my Equinox. I spent another 90 minutes detecting with the Nox and dug sixty (60) coins (no silver) - and only 4 more pieces of trash.
Maybe I need to learn the nuances of how the Deus 1 identifies trash vs. coins, but - why should I? In a park hands-down the Equinox is just so much easier to use.

So, if the Deus 2 addresses this issue and can be as accurate with identification and as easy to use in parks then maybe I'll consider it. Otherwise, the Nox is my park detector (and the Deus 1 remains my old homesite iron-infested ground detector).

I am the opposite. I dig way more trash with my NOX 600. I usually put it back in the car and grab my Deus with the 9" HF Coil. I cannot get the tones of the NOX to work for me. I am putting time on it, no doubt, and have found some really nice finds with it, however, the Deus in full tones, with -6.4(wide open) on the Discrimination, can really draw out what is in the ground for me. Just cannot beat the nuances. Ground out here in OK is pretty mellow.

 

[brianc053]

I am the opposite. I dig way more trash with my NOX 600. I usually put it back in the car and grab my Deus with the 9" HF Coil. I cannot get the tones of the NOX to work for me. I am putting time on it, no doubt, and have found some really nice finds with it, however, the Deus in full tones, with -6.4(wide open) on the Discrimination, can really draw out what is in the ground for me. Just cannot beat the nuances. Ground out here in OK is pretty mellow.

Thanks for sharing this Czkidd. I've heard other power-users of the Deus say the same thing ("the Deus...can really draw out what is in the ground."). And I think I know what you and others mean; the Deus does tell you a lot via the sound about the target. I think i can learn to "hear" those nuances better, and then I might have better luck with the Deus in a park.
But I ask my self (and I'll repeat my earlier statement): why would I when the Equinox seems to be "easy mode" in parks? (I'm not trying to be challenging with that statement - I'm just sharing my own point of view and where I'm coming from.) Maybe the answer to my question is that the Deus could unlock some targets in a park that I've missed with the Nox, but if I don't try and don't learn the nuances of the Deus' sounds then i'll never find them... Something to think about.

- Brian

PS - I just posted about a new farm permission where I abandoned the Equinox because it just couldn't separate the iron, and with the Deus I found good stuff. So - using the right tool for the job is key. (And back to this thread subject: if the Deus 2 can do it all...look out!) New post: https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...produces-a-draped-bust-lc-and-buttons.663283/

 

[pepperj]

What I was saying (or trying to say) is that even the best machine in the world isn't going to find something if it isn't there. Much more important than the machine is the location.

Over the years I have upgraded the machine-reasons being is it must be better technology-right?
So the only way to prove this is to hit a well known (personal) site/permission.
The type where one can return time after time and not get a non-ferrous target.
So I would say-beat to death/hunted out.
Buy new/upgraded as when I bought the Deus
-1 acre site came alive once again
Previous machines were the Etrac/CTX 3030
Then the argument can be the shifting soils(frost) (This is a no-till site)
But when I can put 8 coppers, dozen buttons, few leads in the keeper box-then it's the machine.

Then again I said go with the new/old machine-find with new-try with old-then that is the real test if one just missed it-or was it the new that pulled it off.

 

[Calabash Digger]

I am eager to get one, but I keep reminding myself that the machine is a tiny part of detecting success, and that in MOST situations, any machine will work as well as any other as long as you put the coil over something good. Research is 90% of metal detecting success, not machine. If you're not in a good spot, I don't care what machine you have or how much you paid for it. You won't find squat.

True, there are difficult sites (most of what I hunt would be described as that) but even there, a good many finds can be made without fancy gear. A high-end machine is the edge that might help you get that one coin that was masked by a nearby square nail or was 1/2" deeper than what the lesser machine can detect. OK, off my soap box.

..true you have to be on a old site to find old stuff but there are a lot of factors that play into sites.

 

[CRUSADER]

IMO - I've been waiting for XP's response to the Nox 800.
Adapt or die.
The Nox 800 is deeper than the XP Deus, however for someone that has recovered from a back problem caused by detecting with heavy machines, the Nox was never an option for me.
I can't wait for the multi-feq wireless & light Deus II which I will get, but may wait a few months for some of the bugs to be ironed out. (ie. get the version 2.0, not the 1.0)

 

[pepperj]

IMO - I've been waiting for XP's response to the Nox 800.
Adapt or die.
The Nox 800 is deeper than the XP Deus, however for someone that has recovered from a back problem caused by detecting with heavy machines, the Nox was never an option for me.
I can't wait for the multi-feq wireless & light Deus II which I will get, but may wait a few months for some of the bugs to be ironed out. (ie. get the version 2.0, not the 1.0)

One would think that a manufacture would really think of the ergonomics of the machine they're going to produce.
I have read so many times the balance of the machine is off. So they get rid of it, or don't enjoy the long hunts.
Most are not hampered by some old injury, and can swing for a few hours, and never notice.