🥇 BANNER 19th century gold

McCDig

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Here we are at the beginning of 2017, starting from scratch, nothing in the till. So how did the first hunt of the new year turn out?

As amazing and unpredictable as the finds of 2016!

First coin of the year was an 1893 V-nickel, very toasty but still readable. Next coin was silver, at least 35%, in the form of a 1943 P War nickel. After that came two wheats, a 1950 followed by a 1909. These first four targets were dug in an area of high EMI, so I had the sensitivity down to 70, still plenty of depth to get the V and the 1909. There was also a child's junk ring in the hole with the V-nickel and bears the raised letters "HONGKONG" inside.

I moved away from the EMI region and raised the sensitivity back up to 92 and dug a few square nails and then got another signal with a VDI over 90. Down about 6 to 7 inches I swiped away enough soil to reveal a golden edge. Got out the cell phone and recorded the extraction of an 1800s gold ring; it tests positive for at least 14K. The engraved onyx appears to have the bearers initials in reverse order as if the ring could also have been used as a stamp with ink.

Easy to have firsts on the first hunt of the year. Here in Baltimore it was cold and rainy, so I lasted three hours and then headed to the truck to get dry and check out that ring. BTW, this is the same park I hunted all of December.

Thx for checking out the pix!
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Here's link to video of ring find
 

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fishstick

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All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!! CONGRATZ on the FIND and the BANNER!!!!!!!
 

DFW_THer

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Mike, you DOG! You deserve it, you're a great hunter. I had a good day over the weekend myself, and I was also using the JE mode. I'm going to have to use it more often.

Crazy how a fat gold ring at 6" hasn't been sucked out of the ground yet. Only means one thing: there's more!

Kudos man.
 

Scrappy

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Great banner find. I know I'm late to the party but a couple things - it looks like a seal ring, and also 16K was a popular purity of gold a while back, for jewelry and fillings. Maybe all this was covered but I didn't read through 85 posts. Lol
 

against the wind

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Very sweet, rare, and a well deserved banner.
When the 1st baby of the year is born in NYC,, there is always all sorts of coverage by the news agencies.
Is this the first banner for 2017?
Where are all the cameras and reporters?? lol
:bronzetrophy: :bronzetrophy::bronzetrophy:
 

steelheadwill

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Congrats on the fantastic ring and banner!
I've found that AU is dissolved slowly by acid on standard acid/stone rub testing, for the correct purity, where 'underkarat'? goes up in a puff of smoke
if its 5-10 seconds before its gone, and that will be its approx purity level Imo. hh, Herbie.
 

WHADIFIND

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Does my heart good to see such a deserving piece up top.

Congrats!
 

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McCDig

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To all those of the TreasureNet family who liked, posted, and voted "banner" on this post:
I met with the jeweler today and he inspected the ring and also conferred with a senior member who confirmed his assessment. I am the first to admit my "novice" status when it comes to jewelry, if it looks "old" I assume it is just that. Well, it appears its time for McCDig to eat a piece of "humble pie". According to Mr. Webster's dictionary this means - a figurative serving of humiliation usually in the form of a forced apology, or retraction. Now this is a humiliation in a good sense in that I can say to you all that I really thought I had something old, but it looks like I am mistaken about its authenticity. There is no maker's mark, which would have spoken of its provenance. It is real gold, but is thought to be a modern adaptation of a Victorian style. It certainly is a custom creation, giving the specific initials in reverse order for wax seal application. To wrap up my retraction let me say thanks to all who voted for "Banner" but I request that the "Banner" status be removed as there is some reasonable doubt as to the authenticity of the piece.

Happy Hunting! McCDig

P.S. At least with a coin you usually know the age. Jewelry doesn't come with a date.
 

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McCDig

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Hey Brad, thanks much. Pulled four more indians today and pewter flat button.
Please see my retraction posted moments ago. Gold but a repro!
 

WHADIFIND

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Welp, that was an extremely nice gesture, Mr McCDig. While there may be doubt in the age of that piece, there certainly isn't any in your integrity.

That said, I still say the piece speaks for itself. If it is real gold, all that I make of the so called "experts" in jewelry's opinions is that, plain and simple, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW! To me....THAT does NOT qualify stating categorically that it's a repro. The style of the ring, the craftsmanship, the possibility that it is simply an unknown jewelry maker's creation from an unknown time does not diminish it one iota in my eyes.

Unless someone can state, and prove, that this is not old, I vote it should stay.
 

DigToChina

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Maybe seeking out a jeweller specializing in antiques for a definitive conclusion is a good idea? I can't imagine a ton of reverse character rings for wax seals with no makers marks are being produced now a days.
 

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WHADIFIND

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Maybe seeking out a jeweller specializing in antiques for a definitive conclusion is a good idea? I can't imagine a ton of reverse character rings for wax seals with no makers marks are being produced now a days.

Typing fast is just one of the throwback skills I caught through my career, not needed anymore, just a residual effect. ;)

Actually, I don't see a need to go any further on this one. Unless McCDig wants to have his banner pulled for personal reasons, I say the pretty ring is a very nice adornment up top. Let it ride!
 

terpfan

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I sure do admire your character McDig. In a time when others might post a fake find or even lobby for the perceived"glory" of banner status, you are a breath of fresh air. Who before has asked that their banner be removed? My hat's off to you. Let me add that I hope that the expert was wrong and your find is indeed significant. Its a beautiful ring.
 

jewelerguy

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awesome ring. more likely bloodstone rather than black onyx. bloodstone is black with red flecks in it and was also a popular choice for signet rings
 

Discrimination Dave

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been following this one and now i just want to say, get some other opinions. It seems really odd to me. did the jeweler make an offer or give you a value?
 

JackalopeZL1

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Yea, 6 inches down in a Baltimore park it more than likely is not that "new" either way a fantastic find!!
 

Argentium

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I too appreciate your integrity McCDig , but I would like to know why you place this level of confidence in "the jeweler" and a "senior " associate , while dozens of experienced field diggers were giving a very different assesment .I am a jeweler myself - I make no claim to be an expert on Victorian era seal ring - but several of the members who responded to your post have dug period examples of similar seal rings . The overwhelming response from so many experienced detectorists lends a lot of credence to your find . I would be grateful if you would tell me why these two jewelers have your full confidence.
 

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