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Kidd-Palmer Treasure Maps SOLVED by Oliver D. Smith

This is indeed a quite shocking revelation. I think it is prudent to keep an eye on the economic side of treasure hunting that, if very attractive, motivates all kind of criminal behavior.
A forum member private messaged me about this so I might as well put everything on record for those interested. In July 2025, I began to doubt the claim made by George Edmunds (Kidd: The Search For His Treasure, 1996) the original Kidd-Palmer maps were purchased by a man named Maurice Taylor on behalf of an American-Canadian syndicate in the late 1950s. Edmunds also claims (with no evidence) the maps are now somewhere in Canada. Edmunds and Gjb could not agree the year the maps were supposedly sold by Elizabeth Dick to Maurice Taylor: 1956 or 1957. Aside from this discrepancy, I came across newspaper sources that heavily contradicted and arguably disproved the maps were sold in either of those years (several are quoted in my thread: "What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?"). One of Dick's relatives thought she instead sold the maps in 1964. I also looked into the shady background of Taylor. It turned out he had been involved in no fewer than six failed expeditions in a futile attempt to recover buried treasure using one of the Kidd-Palmer maps and a photographic copy as a guide (Dick gave him access). One of the expeditions was investigated for fraud, and another was cancelled over a dispute concerning fuel. No buried treasure of course was recovered. In 1952, with his relative Patrick Crowe, Taylor was trying to raise £20,000 by misleadingly promising investors he would lead them to Kidd's treasure. By 1958, he was trying to organise a sixth expedition. A dodgy character to say the least. This, and other reasons (I explain in other thread), made me conclude Taylor is an untrustworthy source and the maps were unlikely to have been sold to him.

If the maps were not sold in 1956 or 1957 to Taylor by Dick, when were they sold and to whom? One of Dick's relatives, her nephew (E. A. Furbear) thought she sold them in 1964 but I could not confirm this (see Eastbourne Gazette, 13 October 1965). In 1966, a story was published in another newspaper stating that an Eastbourne antique dealer named Eric Sheldon knew who Dick sold the maps to, but he did not state who this was, although he insinuated it was an "Englishman" (no year provided). The thread I created to discuss the whereabouts of the maps went stale by September 2025 (more recent comments in that thread have primarily been on different things). It was not until March 2026, I came across new information on the maps. I have waited until now from posting this here. I had been searching newspapers in archives to try to find an article post-1966 on the whereabouts of the four maps. After searching for many hours in digital archives, I managed to find what I was looking for. I can now reveal that one of the Kidd-Palmer maps was sold at an auction in Eastbourne in 1970. See: Irish Independent (23 November 1971), page 10:

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We are told in the (1971) newspaper article that a faded map purported to show the location of Captain Kidd's treasure on an island was bought "last year" (1970) by a man named Malcolm Eggington, a 42-year-old who was at the time organising an expedition to an island in the Indian Ocean. The single map is said to have been bought by Eggington at an auction at a "town on England's south coast". This obviously suggests Eastbourne, the same place Elizabeth Dick in 1950 auctioned one of the Kidd-Palmer maps (but she withdrew it from sale since it did not meet the reserve price). She sold at auction other items from Hubert Palmer's collection. I then tried to find the journalist who published the article, Judson Bennett, to to inquire if the map was one of the original Kidd-Palmer maps, but I could not find any information about Bennett's whereabouts today and they are possibly dead. Bennett was a researcher and journalist who specialised in maps and published articles in numerous newspapers from approximately 1965 to 1988. If we assume he was 30 in 1965 (when he began his journalism career), he would be 91 today. Based on Bennett's articles including investigative journalism on maps, this was almost certainly not a hoax story; the article was reprinted in a few local British newspapers including Worcester News. However, national or more mainstream newspapers in Britain never picked and reported on the auction of the map nor was there a follow-up article. The digitised article is not available to read anywhere for free and it requires a subscription to an archive to access. The article was not easy to find, which explains why no one mentioned it in relation to the Kidd-Palmer maps before me.

Although I failed to make contact with Judson Bennett (I do not know if he is still alive), I managed to find a retired journalist who remembered the news story (they are now in their 80s) and they knew some stuff about the sale and the map. I have not yet asked for permission to name this individual, although this is something I could do in the future since I am in email contact. Anyway, the individual, who was a journalist in the 1970s remembers the sale was at an auction house in Eastbourne. Although they had minimal knowledge what was specifically on the map, aside from it depicted an island (disclosed by Eggington), they knew the map was "part of a set". Combined with the location of the auction and sale (Eastbourne), this is strong evidence the map was indeed one of the four original Kidd-Palmer maps. The probability of there being a different set of "Kidd maps" auctioned in Eastbourne is very low. The retired journalist himself is someone interested in the Kidd-Palmer maps. If you read the newspaper article it states that Mr. Eggington who purchased the map had put it in a "strong box" in a bank in London. That is all I found out. However, I made the mistake of communicating this information to a handful of other people and providing them with the newspaper article. In turn, those people communicated with others, and so on. I can presume this became like Chinese whispers. Someone got the wrong end of the stick to mistakenly believe that I came into possession of the maps or knew where they are now located myself, after I found the 1971 newspaper article (only the latter part is true). Of course, I never came across the maps but the distortion of what someone told someone as a half-truth led someone to try to burgle my house. As I noted in an earlier comment, the person who did this was also familiar with my thread "What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?". That thread gained over 30,000 views.

Having discussed and learnt more about the maps from the ex-journalist I contacted, they told me after the incident that involved me that were many previous criminal incidents involving attempts to steal the Kidd-Palmer maps and actual theft of items in Hubert Palmer's possession, when he was alive and after his death (when Dick was selling items from his collection). One would think there would be newspaper reports to confirm these incidents. Turns out they exist and the ex-journalist is a reliable source of information. The ex-journalist told me that newspaper articles were published on these incidents between the 1950s and 1960s. I never dug them up before and only began looking into these in May-June 2026. To my knowledge, no one before me has posted these on the internet.

Evening Standard (July 19, 1950), page 3:

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This is one of multiple incidents. When Dick was selling items from Palmer's collection at auction, someone on 18 July 1950, stole a small Victorian box. Dick auctioned these items at Palmer's house (she inherited) on 20 and 21 July 1950, but a few days earlier she had a public viewing before the auction. You could walk around the large house and inspect the items in different rooms. Since an item was stolen during the public viewing, the auction (held over two days) had a police presence. Unfortunately, I could not find a newspaper source to verify another incident the ex-journalist told me but I might as well mention it: when Palmer was alive he had briefly exhibited one of the chests the Kidd-Palmer maps came in to help raise money for a War Memorial Fund (see Eastbourne Gazette, 13 August 1947). Supposedly, someone had tried to steal the chest. Moving on a decade, there is more proof of theft of Palmer's possessions. After Palmer died, his book collection of Harold T. Wilkins books were given to his local library in Eastbourne. The books presumably included Palmer's written notes inside these books. The books included Hunting Hidden Treasures (1929), Treasure Hunting: The Treasure Hunter's Own Book of Land Caches and Bullion Wrecks (1932) and Pirate Treasure (1937).

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As you can read in the article, Palmer's collection of Wilkins' books were stolen from the library. Not only were these three books stolen but so were their reference library cards. I presume the books were primarily stolen for Palmer's written notes inside. The article states Hunting Hidden Treasures was written in the early 1920s but it was not published until 1929. There is no evidence Palmer had assisted Wilkins with Hunting Hidden Treasures (1929). This predates when they met and corresponded. However, it is possible that Palmer assisted Wilkins with Treasure Hunting (1932, 2nd ed. 1939) and Pirate Treasure (1937). This makes sense because the latter mentions Hubert Palmer multiple times and the second edition of Treasure Hunting mentions Palmer on a single page. Back to the current whereabouts of the Kidd-Palmer maps: someone can possibly use the above information to locate where they are today by trying to contact Judson Bennett. I doubt Malcom Eggington is still alive since he was born in 1929 (he would be nearly 100).

Update (correction): I confused Pirate Treasure (1937) with another of Wilkins' books - Modern Buried Treasure Hunters (1934). Pirate Treasure does not mention Palmer's name but Modern Buried Treasure Hunters does.
 
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As previously noted, I can’t say for certain that Wilkins actually saw the Rainbow Island map, though he does refer to it as such. I considered that events may have played out in one of two ways. I wondered if Wilkins had been informed of the map by a correspondent from whom he received a description, and that this might be how he knew about The Valley of Death (his ‘Death Valley’). More likely would seem to be that he got hold of a copy and actually read it.

This alternative plugs into what Cryptid refers to in an earlier post as the ‘alibi’. The previous owner of the Workbox already knew about the presence of the map. So, Wilkins might think that he could have been the one who revealed the map to Tracy (or Shiel). Maybe it was a combination of the two.

I did feel that maybe the illustration of the island (the view from NW) might have been influenced by Redonda. I think I’ve seen an image of the island with a stack of sorts at one extremity perhaps similar to that depicted at Europa Point, near Venus’s Bath and the Boat on the Rocks? On this point, see also Wilkins’ Mar Del map which has a ‘Lake’ (the Bath?) and ‘Boat Landeth Here’ at the same locations.

As to timing, Wilkins certainly knew about Rainbow Island in the mid-1930s (referring to it in correspondence after publication of his 1935 book) but may have known about it previously (thus, the possibility of the ‘alibi’). Wilkins would perhaps have considered it possible that the Skeleton Map first surfaced decades before the maps containing the instructions that he copied onto his own (which occurred in the mid-to-late 1920s).

I did wonder why Wilkins didn't make his knowledge of Rainbow Island more widely known, but concluded that he may have told Palmer who, as we know, preferred to keep the identity and location of the island secret. Tracy had died, but Shiel was still alive and may have had knowledge that Palmer would not want broadcast. Just as a note, Palmer's correspondence to Wilkins in my possession makes no note of either Rainbow Island or Shiel.

It should be noted that Wilkins’ brother Gordon was far more prepared to consider that all of the maps came from the same source than was Wilkins himself.

Hence, the problem: if the maps have no common source then nothing is lost by declaring that no such source exists, but if it does exist then it won't be found by ignoring the possibility - and then it might even find the researcher, as happened in my case.
If any of this is true: (a) why not simply post Wilkins correspondence (a snippet of text will do) to verify what you are claiming which right now, unless you can prove otherwise, is completely unsubstantiated? (b) why have you never mentioned any of this until now (argumentum ex silentio alone is a strong reason to doubt your claims) and (c) why is everything you above posted contradicted by your own books and previous forum posts? I mean you have spent the past decade instead claiming that Wilkins was inspired by or based his Mar Del Map on Juan Fernandez Island. Do you not remember debating this with me last year? In none of your comments from 2025 when we debated JFI did you mention Rainbow Island. Suddenly now you are claiming (at least in part) there is a Rainbow Island connection to the Mar Del Maps but never once previously mentioned Rainbow Island on the forum until you commented in this thread. To me it seems obvious you had no knowledge of RI until reading my thread. As evidence for this, below is a page from one of your books (Maps, Mystery and Interpretation):

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Instead of discussing or once mentioning RI in relation to Wilkins' map(s), in your 2013 book you state "In the creation of of his [Mar Del] maps, Wilkins drew inspiration from the charts of Juan Fernandez". Even more damning evidence against what you are now claiming is in your 2023 book The Oak Island Concealment, you wrote: "Wilkins' files reveal that his maps are drawn from 17th century charts of Juan Fernandez". If you knew of RI, why did you not mention Rainbow Island despite mentioning Wilkins' files?

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As for your new claims about Wilkins' Mar Del map:
On this point, see also Wilkins’ Mar Del map which has a ‘Lake’ (the Bath?) and ‘Boat Landeth Here’ at the same locations.
You ignored the compass orientation. 'Boate landeth Heer' [sic] on the Mar Del Map is actually on the south since the map is upside down with north facing south, so the similarity you think you see is not really there. Furthermore, note the limited amount of space on the map to make an annotation. Even if we ignore the compass inversion and take both maps as they are, it looks to me Wilkins wrote 'Boate landeth Heer' in that spot on the map since there was a lack of room to write it anywhere else. If this is your evidence for Wilkins' having known of the RI map, then it is very flimsy.

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Where did Wilkins mentioned RI so you could find the maps there? I remember you telling about this man who introduced you to his "Particulars". Where is the prove that what he showed and told you isn't fake? How can you be so sure he didn't just string you along? And why did you discount RI even if it is a copy it is still very valuable information of maps origin. Especially Shiel seems to me the key to solve the riddle.
At the end of Gjb's book The Oak Island Concealment (2023, p. 143), he summed up his thoughts on the Kidd-Palmer maps:

"As far as the [Kidd-Palmer] maps are concerned, the circumstances in which Hubert Palmer obtained the charts must leave room to suspect that he was the victim of a hoax. However, it does seem that the maps were taken from a file containing information on Oak Island that surfaced in the 1920s, and that the papers it contained went back more than a hundred years. Research shows that Wilkins came into possession of copies of papers from that file."

Zero mention of Rainbow Island and he was instead claiming the Kidd-Palmer maps were based on an old file on Oak Island, that Wilkins later came into possession of a copy (there is no evidence for this). How can any of this be reconciled with Rainbow Island?
 
In the late 1950s, just a few years before his death, Wilkins wrote a novel reflecting his various writings on Kidd and the Kidd maps. It was considered for publication by Methuen and Co., though they eventually passed on it and, to my knowledge, it never appeared in print. The book’s title is: Death Valley Island.

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The typescript provides us with a glimpse at how Wilkins envisaged the 'Death Valley' of Kidd’s treasure island, but not, alas, how he had discovered, or decided, that the island had a location by this name. The story begins with Kidd in jail handing the Hardy chest (with hidden Coral Island Map) to Ned Ward who had been led into the cell by a “villainous, small, pox-pitted scoundrel of a turnkey, old Morgan”.

The novel recounts that Kidd went to sea at an early age and became involved in buccaneering and ultimately piracy. Starting as a cabin boy he learnt his trade and ended up as a ship’s navigator, being not too fussy about who he worked for.

In the manner of such books, Kidd ultimately goes to the aid of an unfortunate seaman (Tom Morgan, chyrurgeon of ye Java Lass) when attacked by sea-faring rogues. Morgan, on his deathbed, gives Kidd a map with a report of several treasures buried on a certain island in the Far East referred to as ‘Skeleton Island’. For those who want to know what they might be looking at recovering:

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The book is replete with Wilkins’ Olde Worlde English and pirate profanity. Note that by introducing ‘three severall parcells’ Wilkins seems to be offering up why Kidd had been provided with a multiplicity of maps.

You’ll appreciate now that this Skeleton Island lies ‘off the Macassar Strait’ which is just on and below the equator at longitude 116° to 121° E, at the west of Indonesia. Tracy’s Rainbow Island, at some 10° N and 113° E, would be perfectly placed in The South China Sea, but Wilkins’ Skeleton Island would be borderline, lying more in the neighbouring Sulu Sea if being due north of the Macassar Strait.

However, were the Skeleton Map longitude to read 131.30 E of Ferro, this being the long and widely-used 17th century base meridian, then the island would certainly lie in the South China Sea. It would presumably be found by plane sailing eastward from Vietnam on the 9.16 latitude, longitude in those days being unreliable.

Kidd studies the maps provided and makes his own copies (hence the Coral Island, Skeleton Island and other maps) and hides them all in his sea chest before destroying the originals. By some extreme good fortune, he later ends up navigating on a ship under the command of a Captain Bannister who just happens to have a copy of the Skeleton Island map, though under the name of Yunnan Island. Not surprisingly in a story of this nature, this happens to be precisely where the ship is headed.

Having arrived, Bannister, Kidd and two sailors disembark and land in the lagoon to deposit a large chest full of treasure at a secret location on the island. Proceeding inland:

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It may be coincidence, but Wilkins’ account begins to echo elements of Rainbow Island. Bear in mind that we don’t yet know what prompted Wilkins to insist that Kidd’s island featured a Death Valley, though it's being declared on the forum that Wilkins knew nothing about Tracy’s Rainbow Island. Oddly, that's not what Wilkins himself is saying to his brother and others!

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Apparently, this headless skeleton hadn’t completely lost its head, but the account does seem to reflect elements of Jenks’ discovery of James Spence’s remains at the cave and his later discoveries in the Valley of Death: we find the headless skeleton in blue cloth, the boots and their condition, other bodies present, and clear evidence of a fight.

Ultimately, we touch upon the instructions on the Skeleton Map.

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By way of explanation, they had previously passed a lake with stakes in it, reflecting Wilkins’ frequent observations of ‘Stakes in a Lake’ in association with his ‘Death Valley’. This is extracted from the disputed British Museum appreciation of the Skeleton Map, in my possession and published elsewhere on the forum. In true pirate treasure deposit tradition, Bannister kills the two sailors who dug the hole and attacks Kidd who ends up killing him. He returns to the ship never to return to the island.

Maybe Wilkins didn’t think this through particularly well, but from this the Coral Island map would seem to pertain to Tom Morgan’s treasure and the Skeleton Map to that of Captain Bannister. I doubt that this is what Wilkins intended. Both maps presumably pertain to Tom Morgan's treasures, though either way Wilkins considered that they were not treasures amassed by Kidd himself.

Nothing is said in the book (perhaps mercifully) about Kidd’s last voyage other than how it came about. Wilkins also reports that Kidd buried treasures in Nova Scotia between 1670 and 1675, but I fully appreciate that nobody here wants to know anything at all about what Wilkins believed in that respect! Indeed, Wilkins' writings and thoughts are plainly considered irrelevant on this forum particularly when they conflict with the declarations of highly dubious 'fact' emanating from other people's sunk cost concoctions.

We should be thinking for ourselves, not relying on self-styled and so-called 'experts'. The inquiry into the maps' origins doesn't stop in 1903. There's still a great deal to be revealed provided that one is prepared to accept that the information may exist and to go looking for it!
 
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Wilkins was a known purveyor of pseudo historical fiction.

Just someone else trying to make a buck off of treasure fiction.
 
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I still think that Wilkins "Death Valley" needs more explanation then the scribble and the word "skeleton". First of all there is no valley on that place. Honestly I think that "Valley of Death" in RI and "Death Valley" in Wilkins writings and maps are too much of a coincidence. Which doesn't mean it proves Wilkins as the hoaxer but rather that those ideas, maps, tales where public knowledge at least in some places like the Bohemian London at that time. All of them could have accessed it and used it without any direct connection between them. This explains all those different maps/parchments and books they seem to have its origins in the tales that have been told and retold endlessly since the times of Avery and Kidd.
Except none of that is true. You are a poster whose claims I refuted in another thread so show up here insulting me. One thing I noticed in your comments, is you are constantly posting images without providing the source where you copied them from. Almost everything you posted above was again lifted from a conspiracy theorist website (you did not link to) [you also copied from the same website without bothering to fact check its contents in other comments, e.g., here]. Do you have any independent thoughts on the matter or are you going to continue copying highly questionable content from a conspiracy theorist website?


I have written about this in a dozen previous comments (search "Death Valley" in my comment history). Far from trying to "sweep it under the carpet", I have probably discussed the most about 'Death Valley' (including on Wilkins' maps and postcard) than any other forum member. Rather than falsely accuse me of trying to hide something, perhaps try to at least read my comments first? The fact Wilkins wrote 'Death Valley' on the postcard/maps does not mean he knew of the RI map. The reason being, is that on the Skeleton Map, in the same position as 'Valley of Death' on the RI map, there looks like what are bones and possibly a skull. I am not the first person to point these scribbles out and while it is likely pareidolia, many people (prior to me) said they also interpreted these little scribbles as bones or a skull. It is unlikely that Wilkins ever saw an enlarged copy of these maps. The original maps are quite small. What you can therefore see is an oval shape with a dot or dots in it that look like a skull and eye socket and some bones/skeleton.

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If you asked 100 people what this looks like (without an enlargement) >75 would probably agree this looks like a skull and bones:

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For what it is worth, I ran this image through some AI software to identify what is in the drawing (you can try this on image sites):

"The looped character in the center combined with the shapes below it can look a bit like a rounded skull sitting above crossed or curved bones. Depending on the context of the document or map this comes from, it could easily be interpreted that way (especially if it's meant to mark a warning, a burial site, or a treasure map symbol)."

There are of course alternative explanations (I touched upon in other comments). Wilkins (1936) would later confusingly claim he took "Death Valley" not as a place on the Skeleton Map but from the border text writing as a clue surrounding the Skeleton Map.

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Note what Wilkins is stating here. He is saying he got "Death Valley" from the clues on the margins (border) of the map, not as an annotated place on the map. How do you explain this? Elsewhere, Wilkins (1940) repeats this claim and states that Death Valley was referenced "around three of the margins" (alongside triangles and bearings on rocks):

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My point is this is far from settled and we simply do not know at this stage the answer; you are rushing to conclusions. Wilkins in the 1930s and 1940s made various (contradictory) statements about where Death Valley was on the maps. Why are you ignoring those?


You took all this from the conspiracy theorist site but misread the webpage you copied. Those parchments do not date to the 1840s by Deacon Pratt. You confused Pratt who is mentioned on the same webpage with an 1888 fictional book (Captain Kidd's Gold). This is proof you are just copying from that conspiracy theorist site. The contents of that webpage and website as a whole are mostly, if not entirely nonsense. There is no remarkable similarity between those parchments and the Yunnan Parchment. The other parchments are from a 1888 fictional book (you got their date wrong). Clearly they are in a different handwriting style, have capital letters, and were said to be written in invisible ink - did you even bother to check the images before you copied them? The meaning of the text on the parchments is also dissimilar. I am well aware of the map from the book Captain Kidd's Millions by Alan Oscar (1897) and this has been discussed for decades in relation to the Kidd-Palmer maps. However, in light of the RI map there is no reason to think that the person who drew the Skeleton Map used CKM because there is writing around the margins of the RI map and as I pointed out in earlier comments, the tilde on the margins was copied from the RI map. In other words, CKM is irrelevant.


There is no reliable evidence for this (but compelling evidence against). Nothing you have posted is remotely convincing.

I have already explained this in earlier comments but as a summary to assist readers or browsers of this thread:
  • The RI map was only printed in the UK under the title Rainbow Island, not US edition (Wings of the Morning). Under the latter title, Tracy's (1903) romantic-adventure novel was a best-seller and widely known to the extent it was adapted into a film in the US in 1919. The book with the RI map in contrast was much lesser known and sold far fewer copies (including reprints).
  • I have been trying to determine how many copies (including reprints) of RI were printed by Ward, Lock & Co (there was only ever a single publisher). My estimate is between 5,000 and 10,000 and towards the lower end (four opposed to five digits). In contrast, WotM printed and sold ten or more times that amount and by different publishers. The archives of Ward, Lock & Co., were destroyed during WW2 so this would have reduced the amount of archival copies. Furthermore, the fact copies of RI are scarce is clearly seen if you search for copies of RI online that sell books compared to WotM. There are hundreds to thousands of copies of WotM but few RI copies. Even before this thread was created (immediately after this thread was created it saw a frenzy of people buying copies), there were only a few dozen copies for sale (I bought most of those but someone bought the only original edition that was for sale alone, which explains why I have had to get pay for scans of pages from the British Library [the buyer of the original edition is anonymous]).
  • Reproductions of the Kidd-Palmer maps did not appear in newspapers articles or books until the 1970s. In other words, very few people actually saw the maps when they were in Palmer's and Dick's possession (late 1920s-early 1960s [Dick never sold the maps in 1956 or 1957 as often reported]). So even though RI was reprinted up to c. 1954, the general public would not have seen what the maps looked like to compare them to the RI map until Rupert Furneaux first published reproductions of the maps in 1972.
  • Given the scarcity of the RI book (and reprints), no one prior to me had scanned and uploaded the Rainbow Island map to the internet nor has the book been uploaded anywhere excluding HathiTrust (a 1912 reprint). However, HathiTrust's Digital Library has not made this book accessible: "This item is not available online — limited search only — due to copyright restrictions." (so the map is not viewable on HathiTrust's site). The book was never scanned and uploaded to any other archive or repository. The RI map never appeared on any other website nor was indexed by a search engine until I posted it here.
Yeah, that's the problem isn't it?

You need information be written down in plain english that something happened or didn't happen. If it isn't in that form you either can't see it or worse, you do see it but cannot work it out so under the carpet it goes because there are visual, grapical and even lateral clues that were given in this.

Let's take a few easily found ones?

When WIlkins wrote outh the methodology of creating fake treasure maps and describes how they are on the fly pages torn from old books to give the paper age, this doesn't register then as being a clue when the fake Kidd maps are shown to be on book page size paper?


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Or how there was a bit of artistic enhancement for this Kidd map to make it into a silly turtle shape now. Yes, you might not have seen it at first, some do and some don't, but when it is pointed out you can't then undo seeing it is there. Or deny it is. (and in Tracy's book the phrase of 'turned turtle' is used.)

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Or the addition of the border now from the earlier 'Captain Kid' map. Now what could this mean as a clue?
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Or WIlkins placing, gosh, "Death Valley' on his maps or writing his little rhyme about Kidd's 'Death Valley".

Wilkins is putting a glaringly obvious clues to it all in his writings. They are there, people can see them.

And how funny is that?

All these embarrissingly obvious clues of a map from Rainbow Island enhanced to appear as a turtle, then Wilkins putting 'Death Valley' on his maps as a pointer to it for those silly maps which turned up in totally incredulous circumstances that people were arguing themselves stupid were real?

It's almost as if Wilkins could then sit back and pick off who was doing real research, who was keeping silent about the joke and more importantly who was doing the covering up.

Nah, it's not written down anywhere he was doing this.....

So it then follows it didn't happen?

That's as much an error as thinking there isn't more information out there that hasn't already been found.

What has to be understood is all the clues have in fact been 'written down' haven't they?

That's how we can talk about them.

They just don't appear in a form you can identify or dare we say, are even be able to follow?

Your planned research expose book amounts to about a monograph now because as people are now seeing there are a lot of unaddressed clues hidden under a very lumpy carpet for it:

In reality it just comes down to a sentence:

The Palmer-Captain Kidd maps are loose copies mainly of a map which were published in a book called Rainbow Island written by a Louis Tracy.

The unaddressed clues reveal the 'Why'.


(Now what could it be that caused R.A Skelton, Superintendent of the British Museum's Map Room, who gave his imprimatur to the authenticity of the Palmer-Kidd Maps, to disavow anything to do with them later? I guess as nothing is written down saying what it was it's going to remain a mystery for ever!)
 
It seems that some guys here were never young boys and never read a single book, fictional or otherwise, about buried treasure. Wilkins was born in 1891 and was thus aged twelve when Rainbow Island was published by a prominent author of his day at a time when tales of buried treasure and shipwrecks were rife.

In 1903, when the book was published, Wilkins was attending a highly prestigious Grammar School, an educational achievement rare in his working class world. This would argue that he had a high IQ and was undoubtedly reading and studying widely. Later, he was to obtain a diploma in English Language and Literature issued by the University of Cambridge.

Wilkins was to end up writing extensively on the subject of buried treasure. I have eight books on my bookshelf attesting to this, plus other articles, and I have bundles of newspaper and magazine cuttings on the subject, from his files, that he began collecting as early as 1912 when it seems he was employed as a journalist on the local rag. In the mid-1920s, he was even writing to his much younger brother on the subject.

He also received much correspondence from readers (also to be found in his files) concerning treasures that he had written about and some he had not. Some of these letters included maps, both published and unpublished.

Wilkins was also in contact with writers of the early 1900s who had written books in the genre enquiring about others writing in similar vein. He had an intense and deep interest in the subject of treasure hunting and was clearly delving into its past.

However, some here are demanding that we believe their firm declarations of fact that Wilkins could not possibly - ever - have come across Tracy’s Rainbow Island in his entire lifetime! This absolutely beggars belief! However, it does say something about the way such people think, or don’t!
 
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However, some here are demanding that we believe their firm declarations of fact that Wilkins could not possibly - ever - have come across Tracy’s Rainbow Island in his entire lifetime! This absolutely beggars belief! However, it does say something about the way such people think, or don’t!
He obviously could have. But then treasure hunting was a quite popular topic and RI was primary a castaway story.

What is implied is that Wilkins did consciously lied or even that he is the creator of the maps. Both I see indicators but no proves. Its one of many possibilities and worth to be explored but not to take a final judgement in that case.

I think there were many more than today interested in that topic. The general settings in which our story happens is a bit neglected and lead the premature conclusions. If you dig deeper you will find more suspects over time because finding a treasure was for many the only theoretical possibility to step out of economic run-away that fulls the destructive forces of civilization.

"Lord of the Sea" by Shiel gives a good version of the idea. In that story it was a buried diamonds laden meteorite which catapulted a young man into the most powerful position making it possible to dictate the world his ideas of peace. That is the idea that treasure could be a real political factor not just a curiosity. Not even a wrong idea as in the past (see William Phips treasure) it did happened.
 
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In the late 1950s, just a few years before his death, Wilkins wrote a novel reflecting his various writings on Kidd and the Kidd maps. It was considered for publication by Methuen and Co., though they eventually passed on it and, to my knowledge, it never appeared in print. The book’s title is: Death Valley Island.
I was aware from an article I dug up that Wilkins was contemplating a fictional story on Captain Kidd in the 1940s. Wilkins wanted to publish it in Collier's Weekly but they turned down his story proposal. While I appreciate that you have posted snippets of text from the unpublished manuscript (Death Valley Island), there is no credible evidence from what you posted that Wilkins knew of Rainbow Island. The only non-trivial similarity between Wilkins story and RI you mentioned is both plots involve a skeleton the protagonists stumble across on an island, but visual descriptions of these skeletons and where they were found reveal notable dissimilarities; for example, in RI the skull is missing, but in Wilkins story, not only is the skull found nearby, but so are "other skulls" (something you did not highlight). Based on the selective snippets you posted and this single (very likely coincidental) similarity, I presume there are no remarkable similarities between the stories in other snippets. Indeed, you even admit the stories take place on islands in different seas and the plots are clearly not similar.*

*RI is part of the 'Robinsonade' literary genre but Death Valley Island evidently is not.
It seems that some guys here were never young boys and never read a single book, fictional or otherwise, about buried treasure. Wilkins was born in 1891 and was thus aged twelve when Rainbow Island was published by a prominent author of his day at a time when tales of buried treasure and shipwrecks were rife.

In 1903, when the book was published, Wilkins was attending a highly prestigious Grammar School, an educational achievement rare in his working class world. This would argue that he had a high IQ and was undoubtedly reading and studying widely. Later, he was to obtain a diploma in English Language and Literature issued by the University of Cambridge.

Wilkins was to end up writing extensively on the subject of buried treasure. I have eight books on my bookshelf attesting to this, plus other articles, and I have bundles of newspaper and magazine cuttings on the subject, from his files, that he began collecting as early as 1912 when it seems he was employed as a journalist on the local rag. In the mid-1920s, he was even writing to his much younger brother on the subject.

He also received much correspondence from readers (also to be found in his files) concerning treasures that he had written about and some he had not. Some of these letters included maps, both published and unpublished.

Wilkins was also in contact with writers of the early 1900s who had written books in the genre enquiring about others writing in similar vein. He had an intense and deep interest in the subject of treasure hunting and was clearly delving into its past.

However, some here are demanding that we believe their firm declarations of fact that Wilkins could not possibly - ever - have come across Tracy’s Rainbow Island in his entire lifetime! This absolutely beggars belief! However, it does say something about the way such people think, or don’t!
In not a single of Wilkins' books or articles does he mention Rainbow Island or Louis Tracy. When you consider his books included extensive bibliographies, and he was a prolific writer, with a career as a journalist, who published hundreds of articles in newspapers and magazines, as well as letters to editors and other public correspondence, this negative evidence alone is compelling he did not know of RI. You said you own eight of Wilkins books on your bookshelf (hundreds of thousands of words with bibliographies); why is RI/Tracy not mentioned in one of them? I have access to some of Wilkins' correspondence with his publishers. None of them mention RI/Tracy, even despite Wilkins was discussing his treasure-hunting themed books including Skeleton Island. It appears you are unfamiliar with the publishing history. The UK version of the book with the RI map was never a best-seller (unlike the book under the alternative title Wings of the Morning [without the RI map] in the US that was adapted into a film in 1919). The publisher archive in the UK (Ward, Lock and Co.) was destroyed during WW2.

You have repeatedly claimed you own letters/manuscripts from Wilkins that prove he knew of RI. For example, you said "he does refer to it [Rainbow Island] as such" and also "what Wilkins himself is saying to his brother and others!", but so far you have presented diddly squat: Wilkins' fictional unpublished manuscript (Death Valley Island) and a snippet of a geographical coordinate (that does not even match the longitude what is on Tracy's cannister map). Where is the proof you claimed? If you really owned the proof you are claiming, why not simply post it instead of the irrelevant stuff? Your own posts are surely winning readers over to my sceptical position Wilkins did not know of RI.
 
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In the late 1950s, just a few years before his death, Wilkins wrote a novel reflecting his various writings on Kidd and the Kidd maps. It was considered for publication by Methuen and Co., though they eventually passed on it and, to my knowledge, it never appeared in print. The book’s title is: Death Valley Island.

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The typescript provides us with a glimpse at how Wilkins envisaged the 'Death Valley' of Kidd’s treasure island, but not, alas, how he had discovered, or decided, that the island had a location by this name. The story begins with Kidd in jail handing the Hardy chest (with hidden Coral Island Map) to Ned Ward who had been led into the cell by a “villainous, small, pox-pitted scoundrel of a turnkey, old Morgan”.

The novel recounts that Kidd went to sea at an early age and became involved in buccaneering and ultimately piracy. Starting as a cabin boy he learnt his trade and ended up as a ship’s navigator, being not too fussy about who he worked for.

In the manner of such books, Kidd ultimately goes to the aid of an unfortunate seaman (Tom Morgan, chyrurgeon of ye Java Lass) when attacked by sea-faring rogues. Morgan, on his deathbed, gives Kidd a map with a report of several treasures buried on a certain island in the Far East referred to as ‘Skeleton Island’. For those who want to know what they might be looking at recovering:

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The book is replete with Wilkins’ Olde Worlde English and pirate profanity. Note that by introducing ‘three severall parcells’ Wilkins seems to be offering up why Kidd had been provided with a multiplicity of maps.

You’ll appreciate now that this Skeleton Island lies ‘off the Macassar Strait’ which is just on and below the equator at longitude 116° to 121° E, at the west of Indonesia. Tracy’s Rainbow Island, at some 10° N and 113° E, would be perfectly placed in The South China Sea, but Wilkins’ Skeleton Island would be borderline, lying more in the neighbouring Sulu Sea if being due north of the Macassar Strait.

However, were the Skeleton Map longitude to read 131.30 E of Ferro, this being the long and widely-used 17th century base meridian, then the island would certainly lie in the South China Sea. It would presumably be found by plane sailing eastward from Vietnam on the 9.16 latitude, longitude in those days being unreliable.

Kidd studies the maps provided and makes his own copies (hence the Coral Island, Skeleton Island and other maps) and hides them all in his sea chest before destroying the originals. By some extreme good fortune, he later ends up navigating on a ship under the command of a Captain Bannister who just happens to have a copy of the Skeleton Island map, though under the name of Yunnan Island. Not surprisingly in a story of this nature, this happens to be precisely where the ship is headed.

Having arrived, Bannister, Kidd and two sailors disembark and land in the lagoon to deposit a large chest full of treasure at a secret location on the island. Proceeding inland:

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It may be coincidence, but Wilkins’ account begins to echo elements of Rainbow Island. Bear in mind that we don’t yet know what prompted Wilkins to insist that Kidd’s island featured a Death Valley, though it's being declared on the forum that Wilkins knew nothing about Tracy’s Rainbow Island. Oddly, that's not what Wilkins himself is saying to his brother and others!

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Apparently, this headless skeleton hadn’t completely lost its head, but the account does seem to reflect elements of Jenks’ discovery of James Spence’s remains at the cave and his later discoveries in the Valley of Death: we find the headless skeleton in blue cloth, the boots and their condition, other bodies present, and clear evidence of a fight.

Ultimately, we touch upon the instructions on the Skeleton Map.

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By way of explanation, they had previously passed a lake with stakes in it, reflecting Wilkins’ frequent observations of ‘Stakes in a Lake’ in association with his ‘Death Valley’. This is extracted from the disputed British Museum appreciation of the Skeleton Map, in my possession and published elsewhere on the forum. In true pirate treasure deposit tradition, Bannister kills the two sailors who dug the hole and attacks Kidd who ends up killing him. He returns to the ship never to return to the island.

Maybe Wilkins didn’t think this through particularly well, but from this the Coral Island map would seem to pertain to Tom Morgan’s treasure and the Skeleton Map to that of Captain Bannister. I doubt that this is what Wilkins intended. Both maps presumably pertain to Tom Morgan's treasures, though either way Wilkins considered that they were not treasures amassed by Kidd himself.

Nothing is said in the book (perhaps mercifully) about Kidd’s last voyage other than how it came about. Wilkins also reports that Kidd buried treasures in Nova Scotia between 1670 and 1675, but I fully appreciate that nobody here wants to know anything at all about what Wilkins believed in that respect! Indeed, Wilkins' writings and thoughts are plainly considered irrelevant on this forum particularly when they conflict with the declarations of highly dubious 'fact' emanating from other people's sunk cost concoctions.

We should be thinking for ourselves, not relying on self-styled and so-called 'experts'. The inquiry into the maps' origins doesn't stop in 1903. There's still a great deal to be revealed provided that one is prepared to accept that the information may exist and to go looking for it!

A tool laden search.
A skeleton.
Even a Morgan.
And a near gloom.
And of course the legend a captain whacked any crew helping him hide treasure inland prior in another chapter.

[We started, certainly; but in spite of the hot sun and the staring daylight, the pirates no longer ran separate and shouting through the wood, but kept side by side and spoke with bated breath. The terror of the dead buccaneer had fallen on their spirits.]

 
I was aware from an article I dug up that Wilkins was contemplating a fictional story on Captain Kidd in the 1940s. Wilkins wanted to publish it in Collier's Weekly but they turned down his story proposal. While I appreciate that you have posted snippets of text from the unpublished manuscript (Death Valley Island), there is no credible evidence from what you posted that Wilkins knew of Rainbow Island. The only non-trivial similarity between Wilkins story and RI you mentioned is both plots involve a skeleton the protagonists stumble across on an island, but visual descriptions of these skeletons and where they were found reveal notable dissimilarities; for example, in RI the skull is missing, but in Wilkins story, not only is the skull found nearby, but so are "other skulls" (something you did not highlight). Based on the selective snippets you posted and this single (very likely coincidental) similarity, I presume there are no remarkable similarities between the stories in other snippets. Indeed, you even admit the stories take place on islands in different seas and the plots are clearly not similar.*

*RI is part of the 'Robinsonade' literary genre but Death Valley Island evidently is not.

In not a single of Wilkins' books or articles does he mention Rainbow Island or Louis Tracy. When you consider his books included extensive bibliographies, and he was a prolific writer, with a career as a journalist, who published hundreds of articles in newspapers and magazines, as well as letters to editors and other public correspondence, this negative evidence alone is compelling he did not know of RI. You said you own eight of Wilkins books on your bookshelf (hundreds of thousands of words with bibliographies); why is RI/Tracy not mentioned in one of them? I have access to some of Wilkins' correspondence with his publishers. None of them mention RI/Tracy, even despite Wilkins was discussing his treasure-hunting themed books including Skeleton Island. It appears you are unfamiliar with the publishing history. The UK version of the book with the RI map was never a best-seller (unlike the book under the alternative title Wings of the Morning [without the RI map] in the US that was adapted into a film in 1919). The publisher archive in the UK (Ward, Lock and Co.) was destroyed during WW2.

You have repeatedly claimed you own letters/manuscripts from Wilkins that prove he knew of RI. So far you have presented diddly squat. Wilkins' fictional unpublished manuscript (Death Valley Island) and a snippet of a geographical coordinate (that does not even match the longitude what is on Tracy's cannister map). Are you going to continue wasting people's time? If you really owned the proof you are claiming, why not post it instead of all the irrelevant stuff? Your own posts are surely winning readers over to my sceptical position.
I have made it perfectly clear previously on this forum that I sold that portion of Wilkins' files that I term the 'Internal Correspondence' between Harold and Gordon (that is, I had managed to obtain both sides). This was Harold being perfectly open and frank with his brother Gordon, with part of the discussion concerning the origin of the maps and the instruction sets.

You could have had all of this if you'd just been pleasant. Instead, you were openly insulting in declaring my work nonsense and describing me a crackpot. What did you expect? Furthermore, you could have had full access to my files if you'd simply asked. You chose not to and to insult me instead. I also realised that you would have dismissed the information because it doesn't match your wild and sometimes outrageous declarations on this forum. I very much wanted to pass the material on to somebody reliable who would continue my work, and you clearly demonstrated that you were nowhere near capable of being that person.

I imagine that the correspondence will surface one day, but you'll continue to bluster and deny its veracity because you've gone way out of line in your thinking and obviously cannot see this. You continue to declare that I and others here are outright liars, yet you expect us to open up our research to you. Get real!

It's you that's wasting people's time and showing yourself in your true light. Unless you drastically change, you can't hope to get the cooperation and information you need. You fail to appreciate and acknowledge that others have preceded you, and are still way ahead of you. You're failing to treat the subject in the manner an inquiry should be conducted, and that includes showing humility.

You declare guesses to be fact and refuse to concede that possibilities require probing research and assessments both ways. You're also far too ready to believe the pronouncements of people who have undertaken no in-depth research into the subject that they're pontificating about. What's more, you're now tending to emulate them.

This discussion could have proceeded so much better, and further, had you just been less abrasive and insulting. So, don't expect any replies or help from me, and very likely other researchers, until you decide to change. However, by all means, continue to demonstrate to the forum that you don't have the faintest idea about what constitutes polite and productive discourse.
 
I have made it perfectly clear previously on this forum that I sold that portion of Wilkins' files that I term the 'Internal Correspondence' between Harold and Gordon (that is, I had managed to obtain both sides). This was Harold being perfectly open and frank with his brother Gordon, with part of the discussion concerning the origin of the maps and the instruction sets. You could have had all of this if you'd just been pleasant. Instead, you were openly insulting in declaring my work nonsense and describing me a crackpot. What did you expect? Furthermore, you could have had full access to my files if you'd simply asked. You chose not to and to insult me instead. I also realised that you would have dismissed the information because it doesn't match your wild and sometimes outrageous declarations on this forum. I very much wanted to pass the material on to somebody reliable who would continue my work, and you clearly demonstrated that you were nowhere near capable of being that person.

I imagine that the correspondence will surface one day, but you'll continue to bluster and deny its veracity because you've gone way out of line in your thinking and obviously cannot see this. You continue to declare that I and others here are outright liars, yet you expect us to open up our research to you. Get real!
I exactly predicted before you wrote this it would be your cop out or excuse. You are too predictable. The correspondence you claim exists that mentioned RI in Wilkins' files, you now can poorly excuse not ever showing it by claiming "you gave it away". The real reason of course, you do not show it - is it never existed. What you are saying does not even make sense - if you gave the files that mentioned RI to someone else, why did you not make digital scans? Why did you make digital scans for all the other files (some you posted snippets of here), just not the ones that mention RI? How plausible is that? Like I said in a previous comment, you continue to dig a bigger hole for yourself. Nothing you just posted is remotely believable and for that reason I am putting you on my ignore list and request you stop posting in my thread.

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Instead, you were openly insulting in declaring my work nonsense and describing me a crackpot.
Anyone can search this thread to see these words were never posted by me. He instead is referring to a separate thread last year.

It appears he is referring to this single comment I made:
Yawn. We already have in these threads a plethora of competing crackpot ideas and far-fetched location hypotheses about the maps (charts) that I have rightly criticised and stayed away from and refused to touch with a barge pole. Gjb claims they relate to Oak Island, Randawg72 believes the maps are authentic (17th century) and were drawn by Captain Kidd and he has identified the island (but refuses to disclose it), the French writer Albert Fagioli claims the maps point to a buried treasure on Koh Matlang (an island near Thailand), while others have identified the island as Hon Tre Lon, the Providenciales, Juan Fernandez Island; and so on.
You can see from that old comment, I was not singling Gjb out. It was nothing personal. Rather I grew frustrated that many individuals including Gjb were claiming (without evidence) the maps relate to Oak Island, Koh Matling, Providenciales, Juan Fernandez, etc. What's next, Japan or Greenland? I later clarified that what I meant by the c-word: "As for "crackpot", definitions differ but I meant it in the sense: "a person whose... ideas are considered bizarre" [or replace bizarre with "eccentric, odd, irrational"]." That is it. I rightly stayed away from arbitrarily trying to find a real island as the basis of the maps. Since last year I was instead looking for a fictional island map the hoaxer had copied from. I then found what I was looking for - the map from Louis Tracy's Rainbow Island (1903). You can see this actually followed my line of research over a year (documented on this forum). In contrast, Gjb is expecting people to believe he found RI in relation to the Kidd-Palmer maps before me, without a shred of evidence, he never mentioned it before me, his own books contradict this claim and it never was congruent with his eccentric ideas (I will be less harsh than using the c-word again) about Oak Island or the Kidd-Palmer maps to begin with.
 
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Cryptic, all threads belong to TreasureNet once posted, and only mods and admins can tell another member to not post in a thread.
 
@freeman, you are claiming Harold T. Wilkins left "clues" in his books that he drew the Kidd-Palmer maps. No such clues exist. It appears, again, you are repeating speculative ideas or erroneous claims from the same conspiracy theorist website. A refutation:
  • You claim the fact Wilkins wrote "methodology of creating fake treasure maps and describes how they are on the fly pages torn from old books to give the paper age" is a clue. However, to my knowledge, none of the Kidd-Palmer maps were drawn on fly pages from books (one of them was drawn on the back of an early 18th century parchment that contained a legal will).
  • The idea there is an image of a turtle by turning upside down the Skeleton Map is first traceable to Lost Treasures of the World, by Michael Groushko (1993, p. 20), who wrote: "the cryptic reference to '20 turtles' may be a clue that the map is in fact upside down". However, regardless of whether this is true or not (there are reasons to be doubtful; it could be pareidolia and not an intentional image), this has nothing to do Wilkins. You have not presented any evidence Wilkins drew the Skeleton Map.
  • Wilkins never drew the map from Captain Kidd's Millions by Alan Oscar (1897). If you are arguing the person who drew the Skeleton Map saw Oscar's 19th century map and copied its style on the border, while not impossible, this is unlikely in light of the Rainbow Island map having not only words on its margin or border but a tilde (~) which was copied to the Skeleton Map.
  • Wilkins could have got 'Death Valley' from numerous different sources including from a Japanese source. We simply do not know at this stage, and there are other possible explanations (I touched upon these in my previous comment). The evidence for a Japanese source, is found in his 1940 book Panorama of Treasure Hunting, page 209. Wilkins states the following: "Death Valley Island from a well known American magazine, which happens to be published in Connecticut. That chart, the author subsequently learnt from a Reuter newspaper telegram, from Tokyo, was used by the fishermen on a vain hunt for a treasure island" (see also Wilkins 1942, who references a Japanese newspaper and states: "'Death Valley' is given as the name of the locality [between Formosa and Kyushu]." I am not saying this is correct at all, but that we do not know what Wilkins meant by Death Valley and so you are jumping to conclusions.
  • You claim it is "obvious" people can see these clues and people are seeing them, but who? Aside from the conspiracy theorist website, only you and George Edmunds are making these sorts of claims today. Three people out of approximately 8.3 billion.
  • You claim R.A. Skeleton "gave his imprimatur to the authenticity of the Palmer-Kidd maps". This is incorrect and if you try to verify this, you will fail (it was made up). Again, you took this false claim from the same conspiracy theory website, Edmunds also repeated (he never bothered to fact check). This unsubstantiated claim is a PRATT that I have disproven on this forum multiple times.
For clarification, I do not doubt the Kidd-Palmer maps are a hoax (heck, I pointed this out since I first joined this forum last year, made dozens of posts compiling the proof the maps are not authentic pirate maps and the article I published in The Skeptic even includes the word hoax in the title). However, Wilkins was not the hoaxer. When Wilkins first corresponded with and met Hubert Palmer in 1932, Palmer already had in his possession multiple maps. It is clear from the Wilkins-Palmer correspondence and the first visit (that Wilkins describes in his 1935 book and in subsequent articles) he had never seen the maps before. This explains why Wilkins never mentioned the maps or Palmer in his book Hunting Hidden Treasures (1929) because at that time he had no knowledge of the maps or knew Palmer existed.
 
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I am pleased to say I have found the actual explanation for Wilkins' knowledge of "Death Valley"/"Valley of Death". Gilbert Hedden visited Hubert Palmer and was granted permission to examine the four original Kidd-Palmer maps. He did so up close and even used a microscope. In a letter written by Hedden in 1937 to R.V. Harris, he points out that on the fourth map (Skeleton Map), there are the words "Valley of Death" but they are "almost illegible". Presumably the ink had faded. Hedden points out that Guy Palmer (Hubert's brother) had made a photostat copy of the map for his own personal use. A scan of Hedden's letter can be found in the D’Arcy O’Connor research materials.

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This letter is an additional reason to doubt Gjb claims. It contradicts what he was saying in a previous comment about longitude and Wilkins knowing of the cannister map. More though importantly, Wilkins did not take "Death Valley" or "Valley of Death" from Tracy's (1903) Rainbow Island. It was instead on the original Skeleton Map which is how he came across that term. Of course, the hoaxer copied "Valley of Death" from the Rainbow Island map, to Skeleton Map, but Wilkins only ever saw or knew about the latter, not the former. I stand by my assertion he had no knowledge of RI, and this is more evidence in my favour. I also managed to find the Japanese source for "Death Valley" that Wilkins mentioned (since it does not predate 1937, it has no relevance to the maps but I will explain about it later in a separate post).
 
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There is proof the Skeleton Map was copied from the Rainbow Island map (1903) rather than there being another map both were copied from, or the RI was copied from the Skeleton Map. The following proof is irrefutable and there is no way around it. If you read Rainbow Island you will find a sketch of the island on the same or an adjacent page (depending on reprint) as the map of the island. Both the sketch and map were drawn by Fred Pegram. In one reprint I own of Rainbow Island (c. 1911), both images are on the same page (see below):

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Rainbow Island was reprinted in 1908 as no. 210 in Ward, Lock & Co.'s Sixpenny Copyright Novels series. This reprint was a paperback rather than a hardback. This reprint had two different cover arts based on the print batch but kept the price (6d. net [sixpence]) and series number (no. 210) on the spine, in 1908, with the image of a campfire and a later print batch in 1910-1911, updated the cover illustration to show Jenks kneeling on the beach. My copy (see below) is the latter and I do not yet own the earlier 6d. reprint with campfire book cover. In 1912, the publisher transitioned to reprint the book in a 7d. cloth series (Sevenpenny Net Novels).

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Both the sketch of the island ("View From North West") and "Plan of the Island" (RI map) mention underneath they were drawn by Robert Jenks. Of course, this is impossible because Jenks is a fictional character but by presenting the map and sketch as having been drawn by Jenks, this gives the book verisimilitude. This was a popular literary device in late Victorian and Edwardian adventure fiction (see for example R. L. Stevenson's Treasure Island). If you look at the RI map you will notice that North (N) on the compass rose instead of pointing straight up points toward the top-right and is therefore tilted 45 degrees making North-West straight up:

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What is the significance of this unconventional compass orientation? Looking at the landscape sketch makes it clear: the compass and map were rotated for perspective alignment with the horizon drawing. The sketch—which appears below or adjacent to the map depending on the reprint—is explicitly titled "View from the North West." It depicts the island from the vantage point of Robert Jenks aboard the Sirdar before it wrecked on the reef. His line of sight was along a North-West–South-East axis, looking southeast toward the island he named Rainbow Island. Had the map been drawn with standard North-up orientation, scanning straight down the page would create a visual mismatch between the map's layout and the skyline below. Rotating the map so North-West points straight up ensures the map's landmarks line up directly to their corresponding silhouettes on the horizon in the sketch. I made the following diagram to help assist readers:

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To sum up, the Rainbow Island map was deliberately rotated so North-West pointed straight up in order to align its orientation with the landscape sketch placed alongside or beneath it (depending on the reprint). The unconventional (non-standard) compass orientation was certainly not random but to match the sketch. Now if you look, at not only the Skeleton Map but all four of the Kidd-Palmer maps:

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The tilted compass appears on all four maps.

This is proof the hoaxer/forger copied from the RI map for all four maps and is a smoking gun for the maps being forgeries.

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There is no way around it or an alternative explanation. It does not make sense and is illogical to argue the RI map was copied from the Skeleton Map or both were copied from an earlier map (pre-1903) because those would have no reason for inclusion of the tilted compass which is specific to Tracy's Rainbow Island and the sketch of RI. The hoaxer omitted the landscape sketch but without the "View from North West" drawing that accompanied the RI map—the tilted compass on the Kidd-Palmer maps becomes an arbitrary anomaly. Hoaxers are usually more concerned with replicating visual style rather than logic. When someone sets out to create a fake, they copy source material mechanically, often missing the structural meaning behind certain details. The hoaxer clearly slipped up by not realising the significance of the compass orientation in relation to the sketch. By reproducing the unique quirk of the compass the hoaxer unwittingly left definitive proof that the Kidd-Palmer maps were all copied from Louis Tracy’s 1903 novel Rainbow Island. All I can say at this point is anyone still somehow arguing the Kidd-Palmer maps did not derive from Rainbow Island is either mistaken, delusional or is not arguing in good faith.

While it is clear the outline of the island (crescent shape) and unconventional compass on the four Kidd-Palmer maps, as well as the place names/annotations (such as Smuggler's Cove) and the latitude 9.16 N on the Skeleton Map, were copied from the RI map - this leaves the instructions or clues written on the Coral Island Map and Skeleton Map's border. However, I showed in an earlier comment, that aspects of the latter were undoubtably copied from the RI map. The first edition and earlier reprints of Rainbow Island (1903-c. 1919) [removed in the 1920s reprints] contain the following scribbles that looks like one or two tildes (~):

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If you look at the Skeleton Map:

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Furthermore, you can see that the text "Plan of the Island" is in a border (between lines) on the RI map. This same style border of lines with text inside, appears on the Skeleton Map. Additionally, the RI map includes a scale, in yards, while the Skeleton Map mentions yards in the margins or border around the map. These and other similarities, point to the hoaxer having taken these features/details from the RI map.

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There is proof the Skeleton Map was copied from the Rainbow Island map (1903) rather than there being another map both were copied from, or the RI was copied from the Skeleton Map. The following proof is irrefutable and there is no way around it. If you read Rainbow Island you will find a sketch of the island on the same or an adjacent page (depending on reprint) as the map of the island. Both the sketch and map were drawn by Fred Pegram. In one reprint I own of Rainbow Island (c. 1911), both images are on the same page (see below):

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Rainbow Island was reprinted in 1908 as no. 210 in Ward, Lock & Co.'s Sixpenny Copyright Novels series. This reprint was a paperback rather than a hardback. This reprint had two different cover arts based on the print batch but kept the price (6d. net [sixpence]) and series number (no. 210) on the spine, in 1908, with the image of a campfire and a later print batch in 1910-1911, updated the cover illustration to show Jenks kneeling on the beach. My copy (see below) is the latter and I do not yet own the earlier 6d. reprint with campfire book cover. In 1912, the publisher transitioned to reprint the book in a 7d. cloth series (Sevenpenny Net Novels).

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Both the sketch of the island ("View From North West") and "Plan of the Island" (RI map) mention underneath they were drawn by Robert Jenks. Of course, this is impossible because Jenks is a fictional character but by presenting the map and sketch as having been drawn by Jenks, this gives the book verisimilitude. This was a popular literary device in late Victorian and Edwardian adventure fiction (see for example R. L. Stevenson's Treasure Island). If you look at the RI map you will notice that North (N) on the compass rose instead of pointing straight up points toward the top-right and is therefore tilted 45 degrees making North-West straight up:

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What is the significance of this unconventional compass orientation? Looking at the landscape sketch makes it clear: the compass and map were rotated for perspective alignment with the horizon drawing. The sketch—which appears below or adjacent to the map depending on the reprint—is explicitly titled "View from the North West." It depicts the island from the vantage point of Robert Jenks aboard the Sirdar before it wrecked on the reef. His line of sight was along a North-West–South-East axis, looking southeast toward the island he named Rainbow Island. Had the map been drawn with standard North-up orientation, scanning straight down the page would create a visual mismatch between the map's layout and the skyline below. Rotating the map so North-West points straight up ensures the map's landmarks line up directly to their corresponding silhouettes on the horizon in the sketch. I made the following diagram to help assist readers:

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To sum up, the Rainbow Island map was deliberately rotated so North-West pointed straight up in order to align its orientation with the landscape sketch placed alongside or beneath it (depending on the reprint). The unconventional (non-standard) compass orientation was certainly not random but to match the sketch. Now if you look, at not only the Skeleton Map but all four of the Kidd-Palmer maps:

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The tilted compass appears on all four maps.

This is proof the hoaxer/forger copied from the RI map for all four maps and is a smoking gun for the maps being forgeries.

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There is no way around it or an alternative explanation. It does not make sense and is illogical to argue the RI map was copied from the Skeleton Map or both were copied from an earlier map (pre-1903) because those would have no reason for inclusion of the tilted compass which is specific to Tracy's Rainbow Island and the sketch of RI. The hoaxer omitted the landscape sketch but without the "View from North West" drawing that accompanied the RI map—the tilted compass on the Kidd-Palmer maps becomes an arbitrary anomaly. Hoaxers are usually more concerned with replicating visual style rather than logic. When someone sets out to create a fake, they copy source material mechanically, often missing the structural meaning behind certain details. The hoaxer clearly slipped up by not realising the significance of the compass orientation in relation to the sketch. By reproducing the unique quirk of the compass the hoaxer unwittingly left definitive proof that the Kidd-Palmer maps were all copied from Louis Tracy’s 1903 novel Rainbow Island. All I can say at this point is anyone still somehow arguing the Kidd-Palmer maps did not derive from Rainbow Island is either mistaken, delusional or is not arguing in good faith.

While it is clear the outline of the island (crescent shape) and unconventional compass on the four Kidd-Palmer maps, as well as the place names/annotations (such as Smuggler's Cove) and the latitude 9.16 N on the Skeleton Map, were copied from the RI map - this leaves the instructions or clues written on the Coral Island Map and Skeleton Map's border. However, I showed in an earlier comment, that aspects of the latter were undoubtably copied from the RI map. The first edition and earlier reprints of Rainbow Island (1903-c. 1919) [removed in the 1920s reprints] contain the following scribbles that looks like one or two tildes (~):

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If you look at the Skeleton Map:

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Furthermore, you can see that the text "Plan of the Island" is in a border (between lines) on the RI map. This same style border of lines with text inside, appears on the Skeleton Map. Additionally, the RI map includes a scale, in yards, while the Skeleton Map mentions yards in the margins or border around the map. These and other similarities, point to the hoaxer having taken these features/details from the RI map.

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I would be more cautious with "There is no way around it or an alternative explanation" and wait what arguments others will give before.

As I wrote before the Palmer Maps could have been earlier sketches of a similar or the same story. Which would come with the same limitations when drawing the islands maps and compasses. This would similarly as you have argued with Wilkins (and quite proven) mean that the hoaxer didn't know about RI. I still find it strange that someone would copy such a map of a popular book. At least it is an alternative explanation and as long no direct link can be proven from Tracy to Palmer it is valid hypothesis - the same as yours.

Also the unusual compass orientation isn't unusual at all. When you sail you almost always draw the coastline in parallel with your course (to exclude errors resulting from a perspective view). Taking the dead reckoning instructions from the Coral Island Map as a hint the wind direction would be from either the NE or SW quarters. The sketch would take the form of the maps and a compass would be added to fix the orientation according to the ships heading pointing to either bow or stern. Later it would be eventually made into a nautical chart with a proper drawing of the islands coast and a North orientation.

How can the view from the NW be explained if we assume the Palmer Maps are authentic drawings of a real island? Well this is how the coastline would be drawn when the general orientation of the island is NE/SW (this or/and a drawing from the SW perspective).

My presently conclusion is that nothing really proves what was original and what is copy. I admit you have interesting and strong arguments that RI is the original but even as the counter arguments may seem weaker they are still valid.

Also it please respect my nautical knowledge. I found that many here simply ignore those arguments coming from it like that those instructions on the Coral Island Map are clearly dead reckoning instructions and "V.R." is also a nautical term (Strange no one has ever asked me what I think it means...)

From my nautical perspective the Palmer Maps have much more authentic flair then the RI drawings. Which means at the very least that the creator had some sailing experience while the RI maps and story are kind of unrealistic nautical wise.
 
I would be more cautious with "There is no way around it or an alternative explanation" and wait what arguments others will give before.
As I wrote before the Palmer Maps could have been earlier sketches of a similar or the same story. Which would come with the same limitations when drawing the islands maps and compasses.
What you are arguing is impossible. While it is theoretically possible that there exists preliminary/draft maps of Rainbow Island by Fred Pegram (the illustrator), the Kidd-Palmer maps cannot be those earlier sketches. This is because of their medium and format. For example, one was drawn on the back of an early 18th century parchment that had a legal will on other side. Pegram created illustrations on paper intended for the publishing house (Ward, Lock & Co.) but the Kidd-Palmer maps were not drawn on standard drawing paper for an artist's working draft and so they clearly had no publication use. A professional book illustrator like Pegram would sketch working drafts for print reproduction, not draw on old tatty parchments, especially not on the back of a legal will. There is more proof that the Kidd-Palmer maps are not Pegram's earlier draft maps: we would expect to see plot-specific place names and character routes on any draft maps, but those are omitted in the Skeleton Map and do not appear either on the other three maps. The hoaxer removed the most obvious narrative markers because they would instantly betray the source. For example, how do you explain the absence of annotations on the map such as "Sirdar struck here" and "Sailer and Girl caste ashore" on Skeleton Map?

This would similarly as you have argued with Wilkins (and quite proven) mean that the hoaxer didn't know about RI. I still find it strange that someone would copy such a map of a popular book. At least it is an alternative explanation and as long no direct link can be proven from Tracy to Palmer it is valid hypothesis - the same as yours.

Also the unusual compass orientation isn't unusual at all. When you sail you almost always draw the coastline in parallel with your course (to exclude errors resulting from a perspective view). Taking the dead reckoning instructions from the Coral Island Map as a hint the wind direction would be from either the NE or SW quarters. The sketch would take the form of the maps and a compass would be added to fix the orientation according to the ships heading pointing to either bow or stern. Later it would be eventually made into a nautical chart with a proper drawing of the islands coast and a North orientation.

How can the view from the NW be explained if we assume the Palmer Maps are authentic drawings of a real island? Well this is how the coastline would be drawn when the general orientation of the island is NE/SW (this or/and a drawing from the SW perspective).

My presently conclusion is that nothing really proves what was original and what is copy. I admit you have interesting and strong arguments that RI is the original but even as the counter arguments may seem weaker they are still valid.

Also it please respect my nautical knowledge. I found that many here simply ignore those arguments coming from it like that those instructions on the Coral Island Map are clearly dead reckoning instructions and "V.R." is also a nautical term (Strange no one has ever asked me what I think it means...)

From my nautical perspective the Palmer Maps have much more authentic flair then the RI drawings. Which means at the very least that the creator had some sailing experience while the RI maps and story are kind of unrealistic nautical wise.
What you are arguing is not remotely valid or tenable. While mariners draw coastal profile sketches from their perspective at sea, top-down planimetric charts do not tilt their compass rose to reflect local wind directions or dead-reckoning angles; in other words, attempting to use sailing mechanics to explain the RI map's orientation is completely erroneous. More importantly, this highly speculative theory ignores the functional origin of the 45-degree compass rotation: in Louis Tracy’s 1903 novel Rainbow Island, the compass was tilted for the sole purpose of visually aligning the map top-down with the "View from North West" horizon/landscape sketch printed on the same or an adjacent page. By reproducing this exact 45-degree tilt while omitting the horizon sketch altogether, the Kidd-Palmer maps present a compass orientation that is entirely meaningless on its own—proving the forger copied from the book without understanding the visual logic behind its design. Put another way, the forger copied the visual aesthetic of the Rainbow Island map but failed to understand the structural reason behind the tilted compass and copied it without realising. I appreciate you have made some useful observations and contributions in other comments in this thread, but you are deluded if you want to continue to argue the Kidd-Palmer maps were not copied from Rainbow Island and deny the maps are a hoax. To claim your alternative explanation carries equal weight ignores probabilities, Occams' razor, and requires an impossible string of coincidences. Going forward, people should try to identify who the hoaxer was, not waste time on debunked alternative theories.
 
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