I get a few days in mountain and it cost me a lot ,more then most and I go out of why to do as much as I can why I there ..some times I pack a years worth of research in to 3 days ...go head if you know more then I do tell me how far is the LDM from the seven caves ...? that's what thought you have no idea ....I am the only one here not looking for it ... I have 16 sites and all of relate to the LDM ... how many of you have been standing on the mine ...? you how hard it is to walk away from that much Gold .. you better think about it .. it is one of the first things that you have a real problem with if you find it ...I have no doubt what so ever I will be risking my life with odds that are not in my favor ...you can talk Bs and joke all you want from your arm chair ...with a beer in your hand ...3/4 of you have no idea what's out there waiting for you .the LDM is not dangerous unless you get close to it .. but then they are watching you ... they are not there to joke and bs they will kill you don't you get it ....? I am a white shaman that's the only reason I am still alive ,if you go out there you better have eyes in the back of your head because your in their back yard ..and no I am not talking about Apaches ...you guys all think its a joke ... they don't care about your laws .. they don't care about the legend of the LDM ..everything in thuis topic has something to do with the LDM even you don't agree what gives you right to bully other hunter and troll their threats just because you think you know it all ... I walked right around you and you never knew .. I saw dozens of people walk past me out there and they never saw me ... you don't have to believe me or a word I say .. but you better listen and you better listin good .. every word Waltz was true .. but he left out the best part why he never got the guts to back again .. because you might be hunting for something out there but something might be hunting you .. you want to go in those dark brushy hidden areas well that's where those things that are hunting you live and they can not wait for the next fool to come walking in to the brush where they feed ... so go right head prove me wrong ,go right out there and go look for self ... or be like Frank and Wayne .walking around in front of camera where its safe ... pick on them I would not thing of it .. they are both great treasure hunters ..I will take that bet .. I know a cave Wayne will not go in .. and I know a place where frank wont go with out the snap off his gun .. if he was smart he wont even try to go into there ...with out the hammer pulled back ...and hate guns in tight caves . and you dare leave food or offerings to them .. if you wait and watch you might get the chance to see one of them and spend years trying to forget what you see ...so yes the LDM is real and it is out there .. but so are a lot of things ...