old bullet ????

[grimroofer]

i found this today it sure looks like a bullet i found it in the on maui hoping for a nice ring and that popped out thanks for any help

 

[ivan salis]

older black powder type round see the three rings ? thats because blackpowder is a slow burning powder compared to modern "smokeless" powder --the three rings helped seal the gasses in to prevent blow by as the slower black powders burnt -- might be from the black powder or blaclkpowder cartridge age -- civil war say 1860 to early 1900 era--after that "smokeless" powder took over the markets

 

[grimroofer]

thanks you guys are great i have learned so much here weird find for this area lol but you never know thanks again

 

[grimroofer]

i found a few 45-70 casings here there monsters

 

[Monty]

I was about to say .45-70 when I read Ivan's post. Sorry Ivan, I think it is a .45-70 bullet, the grooves being grease grooves and the top one the crimping groove. I own, shoot and reload for that caliber and the bullet looks amost identical to the round nose versions I have reloaded. The .45-70 started out as a black powder round being .45 caliber with 70 grains of black powder. It was the standard cartridge for the military until smokeless powder was invented. Think about poor old Custer, as it was his troops primary weapon. The old cartridge has been long lived in that many newer rifles were modified to accept it. And it is deadly for large game when handloaded to about 2100 fps. I have a bolt action model built on a British SMLE rifle, and it is still made for various modern single shot rifles. Monty

 

[ivan salis]

Oh I said it could be a "black powder cartridge" age bullet * so we are in agreement folks -- a old trap door springfeild 45 -70 round would fit quite nicely into the black powder cartridge age up to around 1900 when smokeless powder rifles became the normal item used.

with the newer faster burning "smokeless" powder -- bullets went much faster and were flatter shooting --reducing the need for huge but slow "heavy" bullets that need the weight to kill via crushing shock (impact)-- smaller lighter bullets that shot flatter and farther became the norm-- the kenetic energy of the smaller but faster rounds made them deadly --- guns like the 30 -06 springfeild and the 8 mm mauser made the most of this.

 

[grimroofer]

thanks for all the help so it was around ww2 ? i guess

 

[ivan salis]

I would say 1873 to 1900 or shortly afterward --roughly guessing -- 45 -70 came out for use in the 1873* model springfeild "trapdoor" rifle but it was pitifully outdated by 1898 by arrival the german 8 mm mausers using the newer "smokeless powder" and bolt action design -- the small numbers of spanish troops armed with mausers in cuba caused rather heavy losses on the blackpowder shooting 45 -70 armed troops and 30 - 40 krag rifles used by us troops --teddy roosevelt saw the the us was "out gunned" and later on as president --he pushed for a updated weapon for us troops --the result was one of the best military bolt action rifles ever made in many folks veiw --the springfeild 30 - 06.

many of the old 45 -70 were sold off "military surplus" style -- as inexpensive "hunting rifles" to the public

 

[grimroofer]

once again thanks for all the help identifying another find for me it is defiantly older than i thought it would be i don't find tons of goodies here but i have found some very interesting things and my oldest coin not sure how a Spanish coin from 1776 got here but it sure made my day lol happy hunting