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The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

Herbert Elliott at Glebelands, East Dean, Eastbourne can be found below as managing director Elliot Stores ltd. Managing Director, Departmental Stores.

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Excellent work! Thanks very much for that. I had unfortunately omitted to mention that the M.S. Gosling I found on the internet lived in Surrey, though it seems he could have had family living in Eastbourne.

The auction details in 1933 state that the items were, "formerly the property of the late Miss Pamela Hardy, great-great-granddaughter of the brother of Capt. Thomas Thomas Hardy R.N., from whom the objects had descended."

Another item entered for auction earlier reads, "The bag came from the collection of Miss Pamela Hardy and descended to her from Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy R.N. ... It was purchased from Miss Hardy by A. Hill Cutler Esq., of Eastbourne, and passed from him to Herbert Elliott Esq., also of Eastbourne, from whom it was obtained by the present owner." Infuriatingly, I didn't think to look up who was the then owner.

The two notes on provenance are very similar, and also read like that published by Wilkins concerning the Hardy Chest that presumably came from Palmer.

Gosling could not have purchased the items in the preceding 11 years, so had they always been part of the estate then the ‘scam’ began in the 1920s or earlier. The trustees could have been selling items at such a late date, but wouldn’t they be likely to be doing so on behalf of, or at the behest of, the beneficiaries? Might these have been Gosling family members living in Eastbourne? Was it even true that they were being sold by the trustees?

Perhaps you’re right, and all the items came from Gosling’s estate - except then we have the puzzle of how Cutler got hold of the Hardy Chest, unless maybe he obtained it through auction.

So, who was scamming who, and when?

Edit: Just thought, the auction detail states that Cutler purchased the item directly from Pamela Hardy, and Wilkins says the same of the Hardy Chest. It looks like the finger is pointing at Cutler.
 
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Here is genealogy of Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy
baronet Hardy of the Navy (1st, February 4, 1806 - September 20, 1839) Born April 5, 1769 Deceased September 20, 1839, aged 70 years old

Spouses, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren

Married in August, 1807, Halifax (Royaume-Uni), to Anne Louisa Emily Berkeley, born March 19, 1788 - Ashling (Royaume-Uni), deceased November 2, 1877 - Hampton Court Palace (Royaume-Uni) aged 89 years old (Parents : Male George Cranfield Berkeley 1753-1818 & Female Emilia Charlotte Lennox 1763-1932) with
Female Louisa Georgiana Hardy 1808-1875
Female Emily Georgiana Hardy 1809-1887 Married in 1850 to William Pollett Brown Chatteris †1889
Female Mary Charlotte Hardy 1813-1896 Married November 14, 1833 to John Atholl Bannatyne MacGregor, of MacGregor 1810-1851 with Male Malcolm Murray MacGregor, of MacGregor 1834-1879 Married October 26, 1864 to Helen Laura MacDonnell 1837-1922 with :
Female Malvine Charlotte MacGregor 1865-1924
Female Margaret Helen Mary MacGregor 1867-1933
Male Malcolm MacGregor, of MacGregor 1873-1958
Female Maryel Alpina MacGregor 1875-1967
Male Alexander Ronald MacGregor 1878-1960
Male Atholl MacGregor 1836-1922 Married April 23, 1878 to Caroline Mary Menzies †1908 with :
Private person
Male John Atholl MacGregor 1880-1916
Male Robert Menzies MacGregor 1882-1946
Male Evan Malcolm MacGregor 1883-1960
Female Emily Louisa MacGregor 1838-1919 Married August 6, 1857, St.James's, Westminster (Royaume-Uni), to William David Murray, vicomte Stormont 1835-1893 with :
Male William David Murray, comte of Mansfield 1860-1906
Female Marjory Louisa Murray 1862-1943
Male Andrew David Murray 1863-1901
Male Alan David Murray, comte of Mansfield 1864-1935
Female Mabel Emily Murray 1866-1969
Male Angus David Murray 1869-1898
Male Alexander David Murray 1871-1924
Male Evan MacGregor 1842-1926 Married October 28, 1884 to Annie Louise Middleton †1922 with :
Private person
Male Alpin MacGregor, usher to Queen Victoria 1846-1899
Female Mary Elizabeth MacGregor 1848-1934 Married April 25, 1871 to John Charles Thynne 1838-1918 with :
Private person
Female Joan Emily Mary Thynne 1872-1945
Male Lionel Charles Thynne 1875-1883
Private person

As it plain to see Pamela Hardy never existed. So I agree the finger points to A. Hill Cutler Esq. By making false provenances he increased the value of Antiques he was selling. Palmer had money. Money was very tight in the 1930's so Cutler had more than a motive.

This still goes on in the industry.

Crow
 
Here is some side thing of interest for any one interest in Captain Kidd. Here is plan of new gate prison. (H ) on the plan below is where they kept condemned prisoners.

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There are claims items was recovered off Kidd at the time of his imprisonment. One claim the gaoler was given or stole items of Kidd.

Maybe there is possibility information or items came through the gaoler. How ever it may be hard to track the gaoler at the time.
While the identity of Captain Kidd's specific gaoler in Newgate Prison isn't definitively stated in historical records, it's known that he was held there after being examined by the Lords of Admiralty and committed to Newgate in April 1700. He was kept there while awaiting trial for piracy. The prison was notorious for its harsh conditions, and Kidd was held there for some time before his execution.

Newgate Prison, like many institutions of its time, did not always meticulously record the names of every individual gaoler, especially for those in lower-level positions.

These lists of prisoners document individuals at a midway point through the judicial system in London. The same prisoners were recorded earlier in the England and Wales Criminal Registers 1791-1892 (which also contain prisoners who did not go to trial) when they were committed to prison, and their trials are in the Old Bailey Proceedings 1740-1913. For those who were found guilty, following their Life Archive will allow you to see whether their punishments were actually carried out, or whether they experienced some other punishment. Those sentenced to death can be found in the Capital Convictions at the Old Bailey 1760-1837 record set (up to 1837), which will indicate whether they were executed. Those not executed may be found in the Hulks Registers 1801-1879, the records of transportion (see Transportation Records) or the records of Imprisonment in the UK (see Imprisonment Records).

Records going back to Captain Kidds time in Newgate are it seems lacking.

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I feel that one of the problems in untangling this affair is not fully appreciating the part that Wilkins played in it. Too much emphasis is placed upon his eccentricity and his tendency to over-elaborate in a desire to make his books popular and therefore saleable.

I’m constantly seeing people declaring that he has been totally discredited as a complete charlatan and that what he has written is thus nonsense, fake and irrelevant. This is not to understand the man behind the books. He was obviously troubled, and he certainly had a chip on his shoulder.

It’s well known that his background was working class, and from his early days he was what would have been termed a liberal, though holding essentially socialist ideals espoused by the growing Labour movement.

His early books reflect this concern with aspects of social injustice. He wrote about ‘Food Rings’, but he was particularly vehement about the educational system of the time, which is why he wrote two early books on the subject. He was particularly critical of the abuse of scholarships to Oxford and Cambridge universities that were allocated to English Public Schools (that’s to say private schools in the USA!)

This is because he suffered educationally as a result, and the bitterness remained with him throughout his life. His Wikipedia biographical entry is woefully inadequate and wrong in a number of respects. Notably, he did not attend Cambridge university. He actually held a certificate issued by that university. I don’t know what would be the equivalent in the USA, but it’s like having an ‘A’ level in the UK through OCR or the former NUJMB. I think there’s an AP Course in the States that might be sort of equivalent?

But, here’s the nub. Wilkins was highly intelligent, he attended a prestigious English Grammar School and wished to attend one of the Oxbridge universities. However, he was told by his school not even to think about it as he’d be unable to afford to attend. This was because all the free scholarships to Oxbridge at the time were allocated to the Public (private) Schools attended by the extremely rich who didn’t need them!

Wilkins was all too aware of the injustice of this. The scholarships had originally been established to ensure that those who could not afford to attend university had the opportunity to do so. Throughout his life, Wilkins would recount this episode, and the injustice of it, in letters to various people. He even kept the letter written by his schoolmaster telling him to forget all about going to university.

He was extremely bitter and privately contemptuous of the ‘upper class’ and privileged society as a whole. He was ultimately to reveal that he felt this way about Palmer. It goes without saying that he felt the same way about the wealthy, Public School dilettante group that held the maps he so blatantly plagiarised in his book. They were desperate that these should not be brought to light, just as Palmer was concerning his own.

It’s really strange that Wilkins should have been vilified for having revealed the truth about the maps' origins, essentially to get his own back! He wanted to know the identity of the island to which the instructions and maps actually applied, which is why he included an outline of it as ‘John S’s Rough Map’ in his book Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island.

Hedden identified the island for him, but he had to put Hedden off the scent which is why he acted so outrageously. It worked. However, it should be appreciated that Wilkins did, in fact, believe that Captain Kidd had visited Oak Island and had buried treasure there. That’s to say he recognised that the instructions on his maps might pertain to Oak Island while thinking that Palmer’s maps related to an island in the Far East.

However, I'm now suggesting that the meaning of the instructions on Wilkins’ maps might be ascertained simply by assuming that Palmer’s maps also apply to Oak Island. Wilkins never considered this.

I feel that if it is recognised what was actually driving Wilkins then people might be more sympathetic and recognise that he was not the complete rogue and charlatan that many believe him to have been.
 
I feel that one of the problems in untangling this affair is not fully appreciating the part that Wilkins played in it. Too much emphasis is placed upon his eccentricity and his tendency to over-elaborate in a desire to make his books popular and therefore saleable.

I’m constantly seeing people declaring that he has been totally discredited as a complete charlatan and that what he has written is thus nonsense, fake and irrelevant. This is not to understand the man behind the books. He was obviously troubled, and he certainly had a chip on his shoulder.

It’s well known that his background was working class, and from his early days he was what would have been termed a liberal, though holding essentially socialist ideals espoused by the growing Labour movement.

His early books reflect this concern with aspects of social injustice. He wrote about ‘Food Rings’, but he was particularly vehement about the educational system of the time, which is why he wrote two early books on the subject. He was particularly critical of the abuse of scholarships to Oxford and Cambridge universities that were allocated to English Public Schools (that’s to say private schools in the USA!)

This is because he suffered educationally as a result, and the bitterness remained with him throughout his life. His Wikipedia biographical entry is woefully inadequate and wrong in a number of respects. Notably, he did not attend Cambridge university. He actually held a certificate issued by that university. I don’t know what would be the equivalent in the USA, but it’s like having an ‘A’ level in the UK through OCR or the former NUJMB. I think there’s an AP Course in the States that might be sort of equivalent?

But, here’s the nub. Wilkins was highly intelligent, he attended a prestigious English Grammar School and wished to attend one of the Oxbridge universities. However, he was told by his school not even to think about it as he’d be unable to afford to attend. This was because all the free scholarships to Oxbridge at the time were allocated to the Public (private) Schools attended by the extremely rich who didn’t need them!

Wilkins was all too aware of the injustice of this. The scholarships had originally been established to ensure that those who could not afford to attend university had the opportunity to do so. Throughout his life, Wilkins would recount this episode, and the injustice of it, in letters to various people. He even kept the letter written by his schoolmaster telling him to forget all about going to university.

He was extremely bitter and privately contemptuous of the ‘upper class’ and privileged society as a whole. He was ultimately to reveal that he felt this way about Palmer. It goes without saying that he felt the same way about the wealthy, Public School dilettante group that held the maps he so blatantly plagiarised in his book. They were desperate that these should not be brought to light, just as Palmer was concerning his own.

It’s really strange that Wilkins should have been vilified for having revealed the truth about the maps' origins, essentially to get his own back! He wanted to know the identity of the island to which the instructions and maps actually applied, which is why he included an outline of it as ‘John S’s Rough Map’ in his book Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island.

Hedden identified the island for him, but he had to put Hedden off the scent which is why he acted so outrageously. It worked. However, it should be appreciated that Wilkins did, in fact, believe that Captain Kidd had visited Oak Island and had buried treasure there. That’s to say he recognised that the instructions on his maps might pertain to Oak Island while thinking that Palmer’s maps related to an island in the Far East.

However, I'm now suggesting that the meaning of the instructions on Wilkins’ maps might be ascertained simply by assuming that Palmer’s maps also apply to Oak Island. Wilkins never considered this.

I feel that if it is recognised what was actually driving Wilkins then people might be more sympathetic and recognise that he was not the complete rogue and charlatan that many believe him to have been.

To a certain degree I can agree. I know about the old school tie mentality he would been facing. And the fact that Wilkins did not have technology to research like what we have today. It is all to easy to point out errors he would not had the means or access to uncover information. He was part of a self conscious class system that pervaded through England at the time and still to lessor degree still prevails today.

Yet the fact remains writing and selling books and articles and putting money on the table was his main concern as like with all of us we have bills to pay. He was a product of his time. And treasure stories fed the masses in the lost decade of the 1930's daring people to dream. So no shame in daring people to dream. Treasure hunting was hugely popular at its peak in great depression.

After WW2 He fell into UFO research as it became popular and novelty for treasure hunting had faded a little but not fully. I do not now if he believed in what he was writing. But his map I posted on post 487 do reveal that his hand drawn map of bay Guayaquil did pin point locations of shipwrecks salvaged in the 1990's. That is fact.

So it tells us that in some things he discovered information that proved to be correct. Yet in regards to Captain Kidd and Palmer Affair I am not sure if he was a victim of a hoax. Either by Palmer or Curtler combined? Or Curtler hoodwinked Palmer? There as you mentioned might of been a little class mentality joke behind it all.

Love it hate it Wilkins book Captain Kidd and his Skeleton Island inspired many people to follow and write books in the footsteps of his efforts. No one can dispute that as we still talking about on forums today.

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Excellent work! Thanks very much for that. I had unfortunately omitted to mention that the M.S. Gosling I found on the internet lived in Surrey, though it seems he could have had family living in Eastbourne.

The auction details in 1933 state that the items were, "formerly the property of the late Miss Pamela Hardy, great-great-granddaughter of the brother of Capt. Thomas Thomas Hardy R.N., from whom the objects had descended."

Another item entered for auction earlier reads, "The bag came from the collection of Miss Pamela Hardy and descended to her from Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy R.N. ... It was purchased from Miss Hardy by A. Hill Cutler Esq., of Eastbourne, and passed from him to Herbert Elliott Esq., also of Eastbourne, from whom it was obtained by the present owner." Infuriatingly, I didn't think to look up who was the then owner.

The two notes on provenance are very similar, and also read like that published by Wilkins concerning the Hardy Chest that presumably came from Palmer.

Gosling could not have purchased the items in the preceding 11 years, so had they always been part of the estate then the ‘scam’ began in the 1920s or earlier. The trustees could have been selling items at such a late date, but wouldn’t they be likely to be doing so on behalf of, or at the behest of, the beneficiaries? Might these have been Gosling family members living in Eastbourne? Was it even true that they were being sold by the trustees?

Perhaps you’re right, and all the items came from Gosling’s estate - except then we have the puzzle of how Cutler got hold of the Hardy Chest, unless maybe he obtained it through auction.

So, who was scamming who, and when?

Edit: Just thought, the auction detail states that Cutler purchased the item directly from Pamela Hardy, and Wilkins says the same of the Hardy Chest. It looks like the finger is pointing at Cutler.
The pedigree notes are contradictory for different Lord Nelson objects and the Hardy Chest which again points to them being fabricated. It seems to me, the hoaxer originally made a mistake with the time-line concerning Pamela Hardy; she was said to have still been alive in 1930 when she sold the Hardy Chest to Arthur Cutler (according to Wilkins she died in 1931). However, if she was the great-granddaughter of John Hardy (died 1822) [the Hardy Chest pedigree note] this would have made her well over a hundred years old (108). Note the pedigree note you mentioned instead said she was the great-great-granddaughter. Seems to me, the hoaxer realised the error they made with the time-line on the pedigree note that accompanied the Hardy Chest (1930) and so a few years later, corrected it by inserting a generation.
 
There is only one record of any Pamela Hardy dying Before in the time frame mentioned. In the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 for Pamela A Hardy. Being age 3 she of course is not this alleged Pamela

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There are no other recorded deaths in time frame of any other Pamela in early 29th century. sources searched

Birth, Marriage & Death Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
UK and Ireland, Obituary Index, 2004-Current
UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2024
Nottinghamshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1994

None connected to Eastbourne.

However There was a Pamula that died in 1912 in Dorset. Her husband died in 1932. Here is her headstone below. St Georges Churchyard, Portland, Dorset, England.

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Headstone Description

In loving memory of Pamela Martha Otter who entered into rest August 16th 1912 aged 60 years. Also Hadarezer Otter husband of the above who entered into rest December 28th 1932 aged 79 years.
Cemetery name St Georges Churchyard, Portland, Dorset, England
Name(s)

Pamela Martha Otter nee hardy she was born in 1851.
Birth location Puddletown, Dorset, England
Death location Portland, Dorset, England.

But again as she has no connection to Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy

So there you have it Pamela hardy is fictitious and no Connection with Sir Thomas Masterman Hardy

Crow
 
While sifting through the Palmer-Wilkins correspondence to extract observations concerning the acquisition of the maps, I began taking note of how Palmer viewed Cutler and of his relationship with him. At times, it’s almost as if Palmer is totally committed to and dependant on Cutler.

Thus, I feel that it’s probably safe to say that Palmer was well and truly duped, as I think will be seen from below. Palmer sometimes refers to Cutler as his “man”! I’ve kept my comments (in italics) to a minimum, but at times I really had to smile, and even laugh, at Palmer’s naivety.

Was Wilkins in it with Cutler? I'm disinclined to think so, but Wilkins did have some dodgy acquaintances, certainly the individual who gave him the map instructions that he eventually published in Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island (who I think I've identified).

Significantly, just how did Cutler get hold of the copies of the original Palmer maps that were sitting in that very same file, or who had access to them in order to make the copies that were used in the scam? It seems to me that Cutler very likely knew someone who was known by Wilkins.
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December 13th 1932
I have told the man about the fourth map, but I am afraid this is rather a forlorn hope but one never knows.

Palmer was telling Cutler to go after the Key Chart, or Skeleton Map.

July 5th 1934
My man had an old sailor call, and showed him some pirate curios, he had called at Wrights, another dealer, and was told they did not buy, but he should try Cutler.

My man who is a jolly good judge says they (the masks) are quite genuine.

September 25th 1934
My man cannot understand about Kidd. He says he is haunted by him he turns up in most unlikely places and I have come in for it myself, there must be something in it.

November 17th 1934
I have been jogging my man about that Guernsey chest and he thinks one day the man will turn up, he is a curious character and has actually left some things he brought from Guernsey on his door mat, and called the next day.

January 31st 1935
The portrait of Kidd was obtained by Hill-Cutler from a friend of his Mr. Chas. Cox of Nottingham (address not to be given.) I enclose copy of signed copy given to me with the portrait. Be sure and not mention Christie's name there would be trouble.

This might be of interest!

March 18 1935
I am showing it to Cutler and it will amuse him. He has been my sheet anchor in finding the relics.

I hope I shall get that other chest of Kidd's from the Channel Islands, my man thinks he will do so eventually. I took the leaves to Mr. Cutler's this afternoon and he is pleased with it.

April 29 1935
I have had a lucky find, my man found it in a bank manager's private room, and he has left the town and did not want to take it away with him.

Mr. Cutler thinks he was jolly lucky to get it. It is extraordinary how the relics keep tumbling in.

I also bought an old coloured print of "Spanish loot."... it was hanging in a man's office and my man bought it for me. I may have some more relics to report soon.

I am spending a lot of money and I must look out I don't burn the candle out of the binnacle.

May 11th 1935
I called upon Mr. Hill Cutler this afternoon and he said a man from Falmouth called upon him with a lorry and had no end of stuff in it. He bought 8 or 9 curious weapons, one of which he reserved for me, a very curious long dagger ... I have never seen anything like it before.

Cutler thinks it is absolutely all right, and I consider him a very good judge.

August 22 1935
My man has a portrait of Jack Sheppard by Thornhill, a good painting. He does not know whether it is for sale yet. If so, I shall try to purchase it.

August 24 1935
I purchased from Mr. Cutler a little carved ivory figure of a pirate, well done in a rather curious metal box, the owner says it is attributed to Hogarth, who carved several little pieces when he was with a jeweller.

Nelson, Thornhill and now Hogarth? Cutler really is shooting high!

January 15 1936
Mr. Cutler had a sailor in the other day. He brought in a pistol a really splendid weapon, the best I have, heavily mounted in silver, engraved "Capt Avery his barker" the engraving of his name is as old as the other engraved parts.

I wonder what the deuce will turn up next. Another old chest, I hope.

May 7 1936
Mr Cutler had a caller a short time ago, he was staying here. He told Cutler he had a small iron and wood chest which had been dug up on one of the cays of the East Indies. He is not certain whether he is selling or not. It ought to be interesting if it has a history.

A dealer has written to me about an old treasure chest which was in Battle Abbey. He was trying to buy it and would let me know. It could be interesting.

August 18 1936
A visitor called on Cutler and said his father purchased some years ago some pewter from the old "Turks Head" he sent them on his return home and I purchased the old tobacco jar and a half pint tankard engraved on both "Ye Turk's Head Limehouse Causeway London." rather a lucky find.

I have seen the printed bill head with view of the shop and street which I hope Cutler will let me have.

November 14 1936
Cutler is after some rather good things for me. He has agents all over the country.

January 1937
I have enclosed an account of the find on Cocos Island parsed by Mr Hill Cutler and as told him by John Morgan.

That Cocos yarn is a true one and Cutler says the man is not spinning a tall story.

I told Cutler some day we are going to make you sit up, and he laughed, but I have a feeling that it will come off.

June 30th 1937
Mr. Cutler had a rather curious pewter pot which I purchased, about 70 years old, glass bottom, with a man hanging on a gibbet and engraved around "The Last Drop."

November 1939
I have been to see Cutler at his flat. He is doing nothing at present. I should not be surprised if he starts up again. I understood he might take another place and live over it. I hope so, I miss going to see him very much and there was always a chance of pirate relics and maps turning up. They eventually went to him.

Note the date, war has been declared.

Undated: 1940 but next (follow-up letter) is July 24th.
Wonders will never cease. I called upon Cutler on Saturday and he had obtained the looking glass which was sold when the effects of a barrister were dispersed at Hampdeny(?) Park near here. Cannot obtain his name at present.

This is talking about the Yunnan parchment (map). With the war, money must have been tight for Cutler!

It really is most uncanny you should say there would be another map. I would have bet anything that another would not turn up. This makes the 5th map. Both Cutler and myself believe it to be absolutely genuine.

Why did Wilkins 'guess' that there would be another map? Was he suspicious of Cutler?

I told Cutler to look out for the Kidd chest, he has not seen the man for some time now. I hope he has not gone to the front. Old Kidd has not done haunting us yet.

December 19 1940
I call on Cutler sometimes he has no piratical news. I wish he could find that other Kidd's chest. I rather think the man has gone to the war.

Palmer is more concerned about the chest than about the war and the poor man's possible fate!

Undated, probably 1941
Cutler has closed his shop and it is to let.
 
While sifting through the Palmer-Wilkins correspondence to extract observations concerning the acquisition of the maps, I began taking note of how Palmer viewed Cutler and of his relationship with him. At times, it’s almost as if Palmer is totally committed to and dependant on Cutler.

Thus, I feel that it’s probably safe to say that Palmer was well and truly duped, as I think will be seen from below. Palmer sometimes refers to Cutler as his “man”! I’ve kept my comments (in italics) to a minimum, but at times I really had to smile, and even laugh, at Palmer’s naivety.

Was Wilkins in it with Cutler? I'm disinclined to think so, but Wilkins did have some dodgy acquaintances, certainly the individual who gave him the map instructions that he eventually published in Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island (who I think I've identified).

Significantly, just how did Cutler get hold of the copies of the original Palmer maps that were sitting in that very same file, or who had access to them in order to make the copies that were used in the scam? It seems to me that Cutler very likely knew someone who was known by Wilkins.
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December 13th 1932
I have told the man about the fourth map, but I am afraid this is rather a forlorn hope but one never knows.

Palmer was telling Cutler to go after the Key Chart, or Skeleton Map.

July 5th 1934
My man had an old sailor call, and showed him some pirate curios, he had called at Wrights, another dealer, and was told they did not buy, but he should try Cutler.

My man who is a jolly good judge says they (the masks) are quite genuine.

September 25th 1934
My man cannot understand about Kidd. He says he is haunted by him he turns up in most unlikely places and I have come in for it myself, there must be something in it.

November 17th 1934
I have been jogging my man about that Guernsey chest and he thinks one day the man will turn up, he is a curious character and has actually left some things he brought from Guernsey on his door mat, and called the next day.

January 31st 1935
The portrait of Kidd was obtained by Hill-Cutler from a friend of his Mr. Chas. Cox of Nottingham (address not to be given.) I enclose copy of signed copy given to me with the portrait. Be sure and not mention Christie's name there would be trouble.

This might be of interest!

March 18 1935
I am showing it to Cutler and it will amuse him. He has been my sheet anchor in finding the relics.

I hope I shall get that other chest of Kidd's from the Channel Islands, my man thinks he will do so eventually. I took the leaves to Mr. Cutler's this afternoon and he is pleased with it.

April 29 1935
I have had a lucky find, my man found it in a bank manager's private room, and he has left the town and did not want to take it away with him.

Mr. Cutler thinks he was jolly lucky to get it. It is extraordinary how the relics keep tumbling in.

I also bought an old coloured print of "Spanish loot."... it was hanging in a man's office and my man bought it for me. I may have some more relics to report soon.

I am spending a lot of money and I must look out I don't burn the candle out of the binnacle.

May 11th 1935
I called upon Mr. Hill Cutler this afternoon and he said a man from Falmouth called upon him with a lorry and had no end of stuff in it. He bought 8 or 9 curious weapons, one of which he reserved for me, a very curious long dagger ... I have never seen anything like it before.

Cutler thinks it is absolutely all right, and I consider him a very good judge.

August 22 1935
My man has a portrait of Jack Sheppard by Thornhill, a good painting. He does not know whether it is for sale yet. If so, I shall try to purchase it.

August 24 1935
I purchased from Mr. Cutler a little carved ivory figure of a pirate, well done in a rather curious metal box, the owner says it is attributed to Hogarth, who carved several little pieces when he was with a jeweller.

Nelson, Thornhill and now Hogarth? Cutler really is shooting high!

January 15 1936
Mr. Cutler had a sailor in the other day. He brought in a pistol a really splendid weapon, the best I have, heavily mounted in silver, engraved "Capt Avery his barker" the engraving of his name is as old as the other engraved parts.

I wonder what the deuce will turn up next. Another old chest, I hope.

May 7 1936
Mr Cutler had a caller a short time ago, he was staying here. He told Cutler he had a small iron and wood chest which had been dug up on one of the cays of the East Indies. He is not certain whether he is selling or not. It ought to be interesting if it has a history.

A dealer has written to me about an old treasure chest which was in Battle Abbey. He was trying to buy it and would let me know. It could be interesting.

August 18 1936
A visitor called on Cutler and said his father purchased some years ago some pewter from the old "Turks Head" he sent them on his return home and I purchased the old tobacco jar and a half pint tankard engraved on both "Ye Turk's Head Limehouse Causeway London." rather a lucky find.

I have seen the printed bill head with view of the shop and street which I hope Cutler will let me have.

November 14 1936
Cutler is after some rather good things for me. He has agents all over the country.

January 1937
I have enclosed an account of the find on Cocos Island parsed by Mr Hill Cutler and as told him by John Morgan.

That Cocos yarn is a true one and Cutler says the man is not spinning a tall story.

I told Cutler some day we are going to make you sit up, and he laughed, but I have a feeling that it will come off.

June 30th 1937
Mr. Cutler had a rather curious pewter pot which I purchased, about 70 years old, glass bottom, with a man hanging on a gibbet and engraved around "The Last Drop."

November 1939
I have been to see Cutler at his flat. He is doing nothing at present. I should not be surprised if he starts up again. I understood he might take another place and live over it. I hope so, I miss going to see him very much and there was always a chance of pirate relics and maps turning up. They eventually went to him.

Note the date, war has been declared.

Undated: 1940 but next (follow-up letter) is July 24th.
Wonders will never cease. I called upon Cutler on Saturday and he had obtained the looking glass which was sold when the effects of a barrister were dispersed at Hampdeny(?) Park near here. Cannot obtain his name at present.

This is talking about the Yunnan parchment (map). With the war, money must have been tight for Cutler!

It really is most uncanny you should say there would be another map. I would have bet anything that another would not turn up. This makes the 5th map. Both Cutler and myself believe it to be absolutely genuine.

Why did Wilkins 'guess' that there would be another map? Was he suspicious of Cutler?

I told Cutler to look out for the Kidd chest, he has not seen the man for some time now. I hope he has not gone to the front. Old Kidd has not done haunting us yet.

December 19 1940
I call on Cutler sometimes he has no piratical news. I wish he could find that other Kidd's chest. I rather think the man has gone to the war.

Palmer is more concerned about the chest than about the war and the poor man's possible fate!

Undated, probably 1941
Cutler has closed his shop and it is to let.
Hello Gib

Thank you very much for post.


It does help us understand the relationship between the two characters. Palmer probably already in stages of dementia in the 1930s. Being wealthy at the end of his life he had money to sped. Some people go childlike in naivety. {He say My Man! as if it his man servant as if he see Cutler as beneath him socially. Palmer was product of social conditioning of his time.

For me it clearly rules out Palmer himself was involved in fraud or a hoax. The finger points more and more of Cutler creating fake Provence of artifacts to increase the value keep his business going? first through the depression and with onset of WW2 That was the nail in the coffin that killed his business. Faking historical value of his artifacts having a rich benefactor like Palmer probably check Cutler afloat all those years. There is more than enough motive.


Crow
 
Being wealthy at the end of his life he had money to sped. Some people go childlike in naivety. {He say My Man! as if it his man servant as if he see Cutler as beneath him socially. Palmer was product of social conditioning of his time.
I did get a copy of Palmer's birth certificate (July 5, 1864, Garleston, Suffolk). His father was Frederick Palmer whose occupation was described as 'Gentleman'! His mother was Barbara Ivory Kiddle. I have a note that be was baptised on 12/1/1867 (January 12!), but no record of the source.

I did trace Palmer through the censuses. He attended a private school, with his brother, and was living in Eastbourne with his siblings by the early 1900s. I had imagined that he was the head of the household, but his brother, Guy Herrison? Palmer, was actually older (August 5, 1862). The house is impressive, but not overly so, and in very attractive and open surroundings.
 
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I did get a copy of Palmer's birth certificate (July 5, 1864, Garleston, Suffolk). His father was Frederick Palmer whose occupation was described as 'Gentleman'! His mother was Barbara Ivory Kiddle. I have a note that be was baptised on 12/1/1867 (January 12!), but no record of the source.

I did trace Palmer through the censuses. He attended a private school, with his brother, and was living in Eastbourne with his siblings by the early 1900s. I had imagined that he was the head of the household, but his brother, Guy Herrison? Palmer, was actually older (August 5, 1862). The house is impressive, but not overly so, and in very attractive and open surroundings.It clear

Clearly not upper echelon of society but clearly not working class either. It is clear he came from privileged background. Beyond the average lot of people at the time. Having such privilege would have seen him bound by the class conciseness of the time. People below ones social standing was seen in contempt as if inferior. This not a personal character trait. It was the social conditioning at the time. Not just in England you can see it still see traces in the mindset today even in the colonies. That mindset was lingering trait dating back Norman occupation. That the French speaking Normans saw the local Anglo Saxons as inferior in a then feudal society .

Even today this why you have first class, second class mentality. It had been an still ingrained into the social fabric of society. I can understand Wilkins frustration as he would be pigeon holed in society still obsessed with class conciseness. Wilkins probably betrayed his working class heritage in his vocabulary.

Crow
 
While sifting through the Palmer-Wilkins correspondence to extract observations concerning the acquisition of the maps, I began taking note of how Palmer viewed Cutler and of his relationship with him. At times, it’s almost as if Palmer is totally committed to and dependant on Cutler.

Thus, I feel that it’s probably safe to say that Palmer was well and truly duped, as I think will be seen from below. Palmer sometimes refers to Cutler as his “man”! I’ve kept my comments (in italics) to a minimum, but at times I really had to smile, and even laugh, at Palmer’s naivety.

Was Wilkins in it with Cutler? I'm disinclined to think so, but Wilkins did have some dodgy acquaintances, certainly the individual who gave him the map instructions that he eventually published in Captain Kidd and His Skeleton Island (who I think I've identified).

Significantly, just how did Cutler get hold of the copies of the original Palmer maps that were sitting in that very same file, or who had access to them in order to make the copies that were used in the scam? It seems to me that Cutler very likely knew someone who was known by Wilkins.
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December 13th 1932
I have told the man about the fourth map, but I am afraid this is rather a forlorn hope but one never knows.

Palmer was telling Cutler to go after the Key Chart, or Skeleton Map.

July 5th 1934
My man had an old sailor call, and showed him some pirate curios, he had called at Wrights, another dealer, and was told they did not buy, but he should try Cutler.

My man who is a jolly good judge says they (the masks) are quite genuine.

September 25th 1934
My man cannot understand about Kidd. He says he is haunted by him he turns up in most unlikely places and I have come in for it myself, there must be something in it.

November 17th 1934
I have been jogging my man about that Guernsey chest and he thinks one day the man will turn up, he is a curious character and has actually left some things he brought from Guernsey on his door mat, and called the next day.

January 31st 1935
The portrait of Kidd was obtained by Hill-Cutler from a friend of his Mr. Chas. Cox of Nottingham (address not to be given.) I enclose copy of signed copy given to me with the portrait. Be sure and not mention Christie's name there would be trouble.

This might be of interest!

March 18 1935
I am showing it to Cutler and it will amuse him. He has been my sheet anchor in finding the relics.

I hope I shall get that other chest of Kidd's from the Channel Islands, my man thinks he will do so eventually. I took the leaves to Mr. Cutler's this afternoon and he is pleased with it.

April 29 1935
I have had a lucky find, my man found it in a bank manager's private room, and he has left the town and did not want to take it away with him.

Mr. Cutler thinks he was jolly lucky to get it. It is extraordinary how the relics keep tumbling in.

I also bought an old coloured print of "Spanish loot."... it was hanging in a man's office and my man bought it for me. I may have some more relics to report soon.

I am spending a lot of money and I must look out I don't burn the candle out of the binnacle.

May 11th 1935
I called upon Mr. Hill Cutler this afternoon and he said a man from Falmouth called upon him with a lorry and had no end of stuff in it. He bought 8 or 9 curious weapons, one of which he reserved for me, a very curious long dagger ... I have never seen anything like it before.

Cutler thinks it is absolutely all right, and I consider him a very good judge.

August 22 1935
My man has a portrait of Jack Sheppard by Thornhill, a good painting. He does not know whether it is for sale yet. If so, I shall try to purchase it.

August 24 1935
I purchased from Mr. Cutler a little carved ivory figure of a pirate, well done in a rather curious metal box, the owner says it is attributed to Hogarth, who carved several little pieces when he was with a jeweller.

Nelson, Thornhill and now Hogarth? Cutler really is shooting high!

January 15 1936
Mr. Cutler had a sailor in the other day. He brought in a pistol a really splendid weapon, the best I have, heavily mounted in silver, engraved "Capt Avery his barker" the engraving of his name is as old as the other engraved parts.

I wonder what the deuce will turn up next. Another old chest, I hope.

May 7 1936
Mr Cutler had a caller a short time ago, he was staying here. He told Cutler he had a small iron and wood chest which had been dug up on one of the cays of the East Indies. He is not certain whether he is selling or not. It ought to be interesting if it has a history.

A dealer has written to me about an old treasure chest which was in Battle Abbey. He was trying to buy it and would let me know. It could be interesting.

August 18 1936
A visitor called on Cutler and said his father purchased some years ago some pewter from the old "Turks Head" he sent them on his return home and I purchased the old tobacco jar and a half pint tankard engraved on both "Ye Turk's Head Limehouse Causeway London." rather a lucky find.

I have seen the printed bill head with view of the shop and street which I hope Cutler will let me have.

November 14 1936
Cutler is after some rather good things for me. He has agents all over the country.

January 1937
I have enclosed an account of the find on Cocos Island parsed by Mr Hill Cutler and as told him by John Morgan.

That Cocos yarn is a true one and Cutler says the man is not spinning a tall story.

I told Cutler some day we are going to make you sit up, and he laughed, but I have a feeling that it will come off.

June 30th 1937
Mr. Cutler had a rather curious pewter pot which I purchased, about 70 years old, glass bottom, with a man hanging on a gibbet and engraved around "The Last Drop."

November 1939
I have been to see Cutler at his flat. He is doing nothing at present. I should not be surprised if he starts up again. I understood he might take another place and live over it. I hope so, I miss going to see him very much and there was always a chance of pirate relics and maps turning up. They eventually went to him.

Note the date, war has been declared.

Undated: 1940 but next (follow-up letter) is July 24th.
Wonders will never cease. I called upon Cutler on Saturday and he had obtained the looking glass which was sold when the effects of a barrister were dispersed at Hampdeny(?) Park near here. Cannot obtain his name at present.

This is talking about the Yunnan parchment (map). With the war, money must have been tight for Cutler!

It really is most uncanny you should say there would be another map. I would have bet anything that another would not turn up. This makes the 5th map. Both Cutler and myself believe it to be absolutely genuine.

Why did Wilkins 'guess' that there would be another map? Was he suspicious of Cutler?

I told Cutler to look out for the Kidd chest, he has not seen the man for some time now. I hope he has not gone to the front. Old Kidd has not done haunting us yet.

December 19 1940
I call on Cutler sometimes he has no piratical news. I wish he could find that other Kidd's chest. I rather think the man has gone to the war.

Palmer is more concerned about the chest than about the war and the poor man's possible fate!

Undated, probably 1941
Cutler has closed his shop and it is to let.
Thanks a lot for this timeline.

As you dig into most people on earth it is always true that as deeper you dig as more faults you find in them. The upper class gentlemen, the antique dealer and the working class man they all had the vices of their trade. As it seems to me they all played each other and developed a kind of symbioses.

I guess Palmer had no interest to doubting the authenticity of his collection and shifted the responsibility to Cutler - typical upper class behavior to wash their hands of any potential failure letting the underling taking the fall!

Cutler just did what most in the business have done for ages. Adding value to their otherwise boring furniture adding a 'special history' for the rich clientele.

Wilkins wanted to get back at the upper class and taking revenge by publishing their guarded secret - the treasure maps. He created an income for himself but who can blame him for that. In any case he comes over as a believer - this way only he could make others believe writing his books.

The big unknown seems to be the obscure treasure hunting group. Seems to me like the Oxford version of the Ivy "Skull and Bones" student fraternity. One guards the skull of Geronimo as their fetish the later uses old pirate maps. Makes sense. But who were they?
 
The big unknown seems to be the obscure treasure hunting group. Seems to me like the Oxford version of the Ivy "Skull and Bones" student fraternity. One guards the skull of Geronimo as their fetish the later uses old pirate maps. Makes sense. But who were they?
Unfortunately, I had too little contact with the file’s owner(s) to obtain any specific historical information. I was told that a number of families were involved and that, ultimately, portions of the file were distributed to each family for study. In reality, I got the impression that after the deaths of the first generation nobody was prepared to trust the family that held the file.

The file, or folio, was termed by them (or the original compilers) The Particulars and had come into their possession at the turn of the century (c.1900). It was claimed to be an assemblage of documents compiled in the late 18th century concerning a deposit of great value. The earliest document was apparently dated in the early 1740s and it would seem that the file must have been in existence before 1820 because of an appreciation of the contents written in that decade.

It was not an official archive, but seemed to have been an early attempt to assemble anything and everything that looked pertinent to a deposit of great value in some foreign land. I would stress that nobody ever suggested that those responsible were pirates. I deduced from the clues that they thought it was Lord Anson's treasure. However, I never asked and I was never told.

The portion that I saw contained three of the maps, which I was only permitted to see because they'd been published. I did glimpse that the folder also contained a cipher, a document written in Latin and another that contained Greek letters. It was mostly written on paper, but it appeared that there was at least one parchment.

When I was shown the map containing the instructions used by Gilbert Hedden I immediately recognised the outline to be from an 18th century chart of Oak Island. It was then that things started to click into place. I associated what I was hearing with an Oak Island anecdote reported by Josephine Fredea in 1905-6. I outlined this to my contact who was surprised I knew such detail but was contemptuous of my sources and condescendingly corrected and clarified what had actually happened.

My contact explained that with the fragmentation of the file, interest in the quest had faded across the families and successive generations simply weren’t touched by it any more.

I have to admit that I was not particularly taken by my contact due to attitudes we’ve previously been discussing. He revealed that the group went by a Latin name and gave themselves Latin pseudonyms. He did ask me where I’d attended school, and when I told him he observed, “Oh, Grammar School boy.” He was also not impressed by the university I’d attended (English redbrick). They were clearly old-style Public School and Oxbridge types, and I did feel that I understood Wilkins' feelings perfectly.

Apparently, the Particulars were in two parts that had to be brought together. My contact wondered if I knew anything about the other half. I observed that I believed I knew the identity of the island and the meanings of the seven instruction sets (I knew five, but had worked out that there were most likely seven). He was somewhat surprised that I was aware of how many instruction sets there were, and confirmed the number.

However, he wasn’t fully prepared to accept that the island was not Juan Fernandez and was therefore doubtful that I had the right of it. I told him that the island was privately owned, and suggested to him that the owners might be interested in permitting an exploration should the families be prepared to make the file available to them for study.

He was reluctant, but agreed to consult with the others and later informed me that if the owners were prepared to enter into a contract for full confidentiality and a portion of any treasure recovered they would make the file available and provide personal recollections of previous discussions. I knew full well that Dan Blankenship would never agree to that and, in any event, he never answered any of my letters. When I was finally able to talk to David Tobias he was completely dismissive and also never responded to my correspondence thereafter.

I was informed later of my informant’s death and the opportunity was lost. I’d observe that he always contacted me, he blocked his number and we met in hotels in London designated by him. All very cloak-and-dagger and over-the-top!

I have no idea if I was deceived, or if I'd plugged into some mid-19th century Oak Island hoax. A great deal depended on an assessment of the file's contents, and you might imagine how infuriated I was that secrecy, conceit, prejudice and greed got in the way of that.

As a result, I observed in one of my books that it would seem that it's potentially due to human nature that it's in the nature of treasure hunts to fail.
 
Unfortunately, I had too little contact with the file’s owner(s) to obtain any specific historical information. I was told that a number of families were involved and that, ultimately, portions of the file were distributed to each family for study. In reality, I got the impression that after the deaths of the first generation nobody was prepared to trust the family that held the file.

The file, or folio, was termed by them (or the original compilers) The Particulars and had come into their possession at the turn of the century (c.1900). It was claimed to be an assemblage of documents compiled in the late 18th century concerning a deposit of great value. The earliest document was apparently dated in the early 1740s and it would seem that the file must have been in existence before 1820 because of an appreciation of the contents written in that decade.

It was not an official archive, but seemed to have been an early attempt to assemble anything and everything that looked pertinent to a deposit of great value in some foreign land. I would stress that nobody ever suggested that those responsible were pirates. I deduced from the clues that they thought it was Lord Anson's treasure. However, I never asked and I was never told.

The portion that I saw contained three of the maps, which I was only permitted to see because they'd been published. I did glimpse that the folder also contained a cipher, a document written in Latin and another that contained Greek letters. It was mostly written on paper, but it appeared that there was at least one parchment.

When I was shown the map containing the instructions used by Gilbert Hedden I immediately recognised the outline to be from an 18th century chart of Oak Island. It was then that things started to click into place. I associated what I was hearing with an Oak Island anecdote reported by Josephine Fredea in 1905-6. I outlined this to my contact who was surprised I knew such detail but was contemptuous of my sources and condescendingly corrected and clarified what had actually happened.

My contact explained that with the fragmentation of the file, interest in the quest had faded across the families and successive generations simply weren’t touched by it any more.

I have to admit that I was not particularly taken by my contact due to attitudes we’ve previously been discussing. He revealed that the group went by a Latin name and gave themselves Latin pseudonyms. He did ask me where I’d attended school, and when I told him he observed, “Oh, Grammar School boy.” He was also not impressed by the university I’d attended (English redbrick). They were clearly old-style Public School and Oxbridge types, and I did feel that I understood Wilkins' feelings perfectly.

Apparently, the Particulars were in two parts that had to be brought together. My contact wondered if I knew anything about the other half. I observed that I believed I knew the identity of the island and the meanings of the seven instruction sets (I knew five, but had worked out that there were most likely seven). He was somewhat surprised that I was aware of how many instruction sets there were, and confirmed the number.

However, he wasn’t fully prepared to accept that the island was not Juan Fernandez and was therefore doubtful that I had the right of it. I told him that the island was privately owned, and suggested to him that the owners might be interested in permitting an exploration should the families be prepared to make the file available to them for study.

He was reluctant, but agreed to consult with the others and later informed me that if the owners were prepared to enter into a contract for full confidentiality and a portion of any treasure recovered they would make the file available and provide personal recollections of previous discussions. I knew full well that Dan Blankenship would never agree to that and, in any event, he never answered any of my letters. When I was finally able to talk to David Tobias he was completely dismissive and also never responded to my correspondence thereafter.

I was informed later of my informant’s death and the opportunity was lost. I’d observe that he always contacted me, he blocked his number and we met in hotels in London designated by him. All very cloak-and-dagger and over-the-top!

I have no idea if I was deceived, or if I'd plugged into some mid-19th century Oak Island hoax. A great deal depended on an assessment of the file's contents, and you might imagine how infuriated I was that secrecy, conceit, prejudice and greed got in the way of that.

As a result, I observed in one of my books that it would seem that it's potentially due to human nature that it's in the nature of treasure hunts to fail.
Just curious. What were the items? Was it a sea chest and the map?
 
Just curious. What were the items? Was it a sea chest and the map?
Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean by ‘items’. There was no chest. The guy had a briefcase by his chair that he put on the table, opened and pulled out a plastic folder. This contained an envelope with documents inside which he fanned out enabling me to glimpse what was there. He then flicked through the documents and extracted the papers that he’d decided I might look at.

I was told that the folder contained four maps, and I was allowed to see three of them. Two were on a dull sort of coarse laid paper and the other slightly lighter and smoother. The instruction sets written on them identified the maps that I assumed they were the originals of: there was one of the Wilkins’ maps and two of Palmer’s. However, the island outlines weren’t the same as on the published maps and, I was told, the fourth ‘map’ didn’t have an island outline. The briefcase also contained a leather bound book that wasn’t mentioned.

If this doesn't answer your question, could you be more specific? Thanks.
 
Ironically William Kidd was the only Pirate who ever buried treasure,,,,,
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Ironically William Kidd was the only Pirate who ever buried treasure,,,,,
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Kidd is one of a sea-faring class designated pirate who we actually know to have buried treasure? In fact, Spain designated Sir Francis Drake a pirate and we know that he buried treasure! Maybe it's not so cut and dried.
 
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Unfortunately, I had too little contact with the file’s owner(s) to obtain any specific historical information. I was told that a number of families were involved and that, ultimately, portions of the file were distributed to each family for study. In reality, I got the impression that after the deaths of the first generation nobody was prepared to trust the family that held the file.

The file, or folio, was termed by them (or the original compilers) The Particulars and had come into their possession at the turn of the century (c.1900). It was claimed to be an assemblage of documents compiled in the late 18th century concerning a deposit of great value. The earliest document was apparently dated in the early 1740s and it would seem that the file must have been in existence before 1820 because of an appreciation of the contents written in that decade.

It was not an official archive, but seemed to have been an early attempt to assemble anything and everything that looked pertinent to a deposit of great value in some foreign land. I would stress that nobody ever suggested that those responsible were pirates. I deduced from the clues that they thought it was Lord Anson's treasure. However, I never asked and I was never told.

The portion that I saw contained three of the maps, which I was only permitted to see because they'd been published. I did glimpse that the folder also contained a cipher, a document written in Latin and another that contained Greek letters. It was mostly written on paper, but it appeared that there was at least one parchment.

When I was shown the map containing the instructions used by Gilbert Hedden I immediately recognised the outline to be from an 18th century chart of Oak Island. It was then that things started to click into place. I associated what I was hearing with an Oak Island anecdote reported by Josephine Fredea in 1905-6. I outlined this to my contact who was surprised I knew such detail but was contemptuous of my sources and condescendingly corrected and clarified what had actually happened.

My contact explained that with the fragmentation of the file, interest in the quest had faded across the families and successive generations simply weren’t touched by it any more.

I have to admit that I was not particularly taken by my contact due to attitudes we’ve previously been discussing. He revealed that the group went by a Latin name and gave themselves Latin pseudonyms. He did ask me where I’d attended school, and when I told him he observed, “Oh, Grammar School boy.” He was also not impressed by the university I’d attended (English redbrick). They were clearly old-style Public School and Oxbridge types, and I did feel that I understood Wilkins' feelings perfectly.

Apparently, the Particulars were in two parts that had to be brought together. My contact wondered if I knew anything about the other half. I observed that I believed I knew the identity of the island and the meanings of the seven instruction sets (I knew five, but had worked out that there were most likely seven). He was somewhat surprised that I was aware of how many instruction sets there were, and confirmed the number.

However, he wasn’t fully prepared to accept that the island was not Juan Fernandez and was therefore doubtful that I had the right of it. I told him that the island was privately owned, and suggested to him that the owners might be interested in permitting an exploration should the families be prepared to make the file available to them for study.

He was reluctant, but agreed to consult with the others and later informed me that if the owners were prepared to enter into a contract for full confidentiality and a portion of any treasure recovered they would make the file available and provide personal recollections of previous discussions. I knew full well that Dan Blankenship would never agree to that and, in any event, he never answered any of my letters. When I was finally able to talk to David Tobias he was completely dismissive and also never responded to my correspondence thereafter.

I was informed later of my informant’s death and the opportunity was lost. I’d observe that he always contacted me, he blocked his number and we met in hotels in London designated by him. All very cloak-and-dagger and over-the-top!

I have no idea if I was deceived, or if I'd plugged into some mid-19th century Oak Island hoax. A great deal depended on an assessment of the file's contents, and you might imagine how infuriated I was that secrecy, conceit, prejudice and greed got in the way of that.

As a result, I observed in one of my books that it would seem that it's potentially due to human nature that it's in the nature of treasure hunts to fail.
Even the most skeptical minds are easy to deceive when it comes to treasure and gold. Its more then just the promised wealth - its something out of paradise, some magic tale where the poor and exploited get their chance to level the scales again.

I wasn't there but if someone would present me with some slightly alternated maps that are already public then I would try to get some verifiable info to confirm the authenticity of those maps. As far as I can see he confirmed that there are 7 but not the other way around.

The altered shape confirming (one map?) to be Oak Island would also arise suspicion as it is very publicly known. Insisting it to be Juan Fernandez - maybe it is similar to both or simply trying to lower the suspicion of being hoaxed.

Normally those upper class people could effort a more serious kind of middle man - like a lawyer or similar. The cloak and dagger behavior seems a bit strange for them.

What was the motivation of that contact? Did he from the beginning seek help to find the treasure? Did they seek advice?
 
I have been researching more objects of dubious provenance (Pamela Hardy), some which were in the possession of/sold by Cutler.

Seems Cutler was not only fabricating pedigree notes for Captain Kidd/Lord Nelson but Emma Hamilton as well.

A beadwork case and hankerchief (in the collection of National Maritime Museum) accompanied by a letter (presumably fake pedigree note) from Arthur Hill Cutler:

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It appears "Ye Oak Room" was the name of Cutler's antique shop in Eastbourne (45 South Street).

Gold lace inscribed 'Lace of the coat Lord Nelson wore at Teneriffe'. According to the National Maritime Museum:

Possibly the piece sold at Christie's 10 May 1932 ex Hubert Palmer and Pamela Hardy. Bought by Hugh Nelson Ward. Item is in two parts and is accompanied by a paper envelope.
Dubious provenance again (Hardy). Cutler is not mentioned but Palmer is and it is likely Cutler sold Palmer this object.

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I then used a more advanced search function for "Pamela Hardy". Turns out there are 67 (!) objects in the National Maritime Museum collection (not all on public display) with the fabricated Hardy record of ownership for these. However, the vast majority of these objects do not mention Palmer or Cutler, in fact, most do not mention any verifiable previous owners.

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Of particular interest is a bureau. This is not the same bureau a Kidd-Palmer map was found in by Palmer (in the presence of Cutler in his shop according to Wilkins), however, they are very similar and date to same period (mid-18th century, although the ink found inside the other bureau was dated slightly earlier). The bureau was claimed to have belonged to Nelson's father, Edmund Nelson (dubious) and notably has secret compartments of drawers, almost identical to the bureau Palmer found a map in (very likely guided to it by Cutler). It think it is probable the Nelson bureau was also sold by Cutler given its similarities and age to the other bureau.

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Several objects of the same dubious Pamela Hardy provenance have ended up abroad. One object notably appeared at an exhibition in 2005, New Zealand Auckland Central City Library

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It would be useful to compare the writing on some of these objects (such as a watch, pictured above) to the writing on the Kidd-Palmer maps and inscriptions on some of the furniture they were found in. I have not yet done a detailed examination or comparison, but from a glimpse the writings do appear similar. This suggests the same hoaxer.

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In May 1932, a large collection of Lord Nelson objects (of dubious provenance) was sold by Christie's (renowned for its auctions).

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Many of these objects were from the collection of Hubert Palmer and undoubtedly some were sold to him by Arthur Hill Cutler.

Pamela Hardy is mentioned as having sold the objects to the "present owner" (= Palmer). While this suggests Palmer was involved in the hoax, it is more probable they were sold through Cutler since if you read Wilkins that is how Palmer acquired the Hardy Chest.

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An object sold in February 1933 (again, dubious Hardy provenance) at Christie's mentions Cutler:

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Pamela Hardy is mentioned in earlier auctions at Christie's, for example in July 1930:
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I can't though trace her name in any auction prior to 1930.

Objects with her name attached (fake pedigree notes) were sold up to 1936.
 

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