Treasure Clue, can you help?

[kregger]

hi everyone,
Just to drop a fact about the 5x5 boxes. If you assume that they are zip codes, which is what I am working on, Take into account the numbers backwards. This would increase the total to 24 possibilities. I had a post earlier in the month that dealt with Lat/Long and the zips. I just want every one to see the other side of the story. There could be clues found in the reverse information. Have fun Kregger.

 

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[CMSCHUT]

HELLO ALL, Glad to see you back today LITDOC.

On pg. 56 the second paragraph. On every ledge and in every crevasse writhing black forms--the darklings-- so densely crammed , that when one of them moved , it sent a ripple through the others.

This is the thought i have . when i lived in the U.P. ( upper peninsula of michigan ) there were alot of bats, they would get into the building at night where i worked and chase us around. someone told me that this area has the highest bat population in north america because of the mines. it's an old mining town and in norway mi. where i lived you could tour an old mine. i brought this up because i think the darklings represent bats. what are your ideas on this?

 

[jewels1301]

CMSCHUT,

Norway spelling is close to Yorah give or take a few letters. There does seem to be a parllel between Darklings and bats. They live in densely packed caves and come out to feed at night.

LitDoc,

Very clever animation of the snail. However, I still don't see a connection to the hunt except it is moving forward very slowly!

Jewels

 

[CMSCHUT]

JEWELS, I also meant to say they feed on insects. glad to be away from them . i just mentioned norway because it did have an old mine you could tour and it wouldn't be dangerous. i was trying to really put the darklings as bats. they are creepy like the darklings. thanks for the reply on to tracing.

 

[Zharkaya]

That is pretty cool with anima snail. I have been thinking it was spelling something out when you flipped the pages,in sign or something. Now I just think it was cute and I will stop racking my brain over it

 

[TSpoon]

Sorry for the interruption - can anyone point me to the post which identifies the location of the hidden insects, etc.?

 

[CMSCHUT]

TSPOON, Go back to the subject page. Pancho has 2 subject pages . one is of the poem and the other is of the confirmed creatures and their locations and pg #'s. hope this helps. no you weren't interrupting anything .

 

[zuse]

What a great idea about the darklings being bats! Texas, by far, has the largest bat popolation in the US. I think Indiana is the second largest. Zuse

 

[CMSCHUT]

Zuse, thanks . i was told incorrectly then . are there caves you can go through that are not on private property. we have several caves here in mo. but they are on private property. What do you think on the blight spreading being crop dusting. i always thought of that. also in iron mtn. mi. they had paper mills and when i read the story it made me think of the paper mills up there . the locals always complained that they were polutting the air . it is very beautiful up there and the air was always so clean . sorry to go on but alot in this story takes me back there .

 

[grimey]

Gaines,

I wished you had not mentioned Salt Lake City - I'm going to be there for a few days starting tomorrow, and all I'm going to think about is where that TOKEN IS!

Re: Bats, Carslbad Caverns has a big bat show during the spring, but I have not seen/heard any leads pointing to New Mexico.

 

[zuse]

CMSCHUT - Just from the little research I did, there are several states that have public bat caves - TX, FL, and MO are ones that I noticed right off the "bat"!

I suugest that you google it if you want to go in this direction. I respectfully submit that the jewels are in the the forest - I'm looking at plant life, trees, etc.

I found a great site about a TX bat cave - here's an edited version. You never know, since no one that I've heard of has found anything, you never know when one word or image could break this thing wide open:
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Kickapoo Cavern State Park and Devils Sinkhole State Natural Area
BAT FLIGHTS, CAVE TOURS AWAIT AT KICKAPOO CAVERN, DEVIL?S SINKHOLE

....Stuart Bat Cave ? a ?remote 6,368-acre park straddling the Kinney-Edwards county line. A full-grown porcupine appears on the rocky hillside just above the lip cave opening, more interested in chomping on the foliage of an overhanging shrub than in the presence of the human intruder less than 30 feet away.

? 310-foot collapsed limestone pit that is the heart of an 1,859-acre state natural area. It reigns as the largest single-chamber and third deepest cavern in Texas.

Like Kickapoo Cavern, the mostly undeveloped Devil?s Sinkhole SNA is open to the public by prior arrangement only. The non-profit Devil?s Sinkhole Society takes reservations (830-683-BATS) for bat flight observations and afternoon sinkhole tours. Currently, bat tours take place Wednesday through Sunday nights, and sinkhole tours on weekends only. Tour participants meet at the Visitors Center in Rocksprings for the 20-minute bus ride to Devils? Sinkhole six miles northeast of town.

Thanks to the installation last summer of a wheelchair-accessible viewing platform that extends just beyond the edge of the sinkhole, the public can more readily peer into this amazing registered National Natural Landmark some 70 miles west of Kerrville. Before the platform was constructed, a park visitor seeking a glimpse into the depths of Devil?s Sinkhole would have to lie on his stomach and inch forward to the edge of the 46-foot wide chasm to view the trees, shrubs, ferns and boulders on the floor of the main cavern 140 feet below. A new chemical vault toilet and picnic facilities near the sinkhole have brought additional creature comforts to tour participants. And by this time next year, the two-mile, gravel ranch road leading to the sinkhole will be paved.

Kickapoo tour participants must make advance reservations (830-563-2342) to guarantee admission to the park, whose gates are kept locked to control entry to the state natural area, which contains noteworthy, and in some cases endangered, natural and cultural resources.

Kickapoo Cavern traditionally has restricted public access, too, because of a lack of suitable infrastructure ? water, sewer, electricity and overnight facilities. But Knezek says that is slowly changing. A park road and water-wastewater system were recently constructed. Several miles inside the park gates, there are signs of ongoing development. A new restroom stands just off the road and campsite construction is under way next to the day use picnic area. When completed, the campground will feature 14 sites, some of which will be able to accommodate recreational vehicles.

Motorists heading to Big Bend and folks from as far away as Houston and Dallas find their way to Kickapoo Cavern for ?wild cave tours.? Trained guides lead visitors through the park?s namesake, the largest of 16 caves found in this land of steep limestone hills, extensive canyons and grasslands located roughly 10 miles north of the Balcones Escarpment, an uplift along the Balcones Fault Line. Here over the eons, carbon dioxide-charged water has flowed underground, dissolving limestone structures, creating caves such as Kickapoo Cavern filled with eye-catching cave formations, known as spelothems.

Guided two-hour, flashlight tours take adventurous participants across fields of loose boulders more than 1,000 feet deep into the main rooms of the cavern to view bizarre-looking icicle-like stalagtites, stalagmites and helictites, flowstone and 80-foot twin, crystalline calcite columns ? the largest of their kind in Texas. Here, in this subterranean wonderland of weird formations, trickling water and odd creatures like cave crickets, harvestmen and scorpions, tour participants can marvel at Nature at work ? four million years and counting. Note: Couch potatoes need not apply for this moderately strenuous tour. Reservations are a must.

Kickapoo Cavern State Park and Devil?s Sinkhole State Natural Area are two of more than 120 state parks that make up the Texas State Park System. Kickapoo Cavern is located off Ranch Road 674, 22 miles north of Brackettville and 39 miles south of Rocksprings. Call first (830) 563-2342 to arrange a visit. Devil?s Sinkhole SNA is located approximately seven miles northeast of Rocksprings. For tour reservations, call (830) 683-BATS. For more information, visit their web pages at www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/kickapoo/ & www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/sinkhole/

 

[LitDoc]

The snail animation was done by "Your Old Pal, Vic." Vic is reading through the 1,500 postings right now, and he will join us when he catches up. I think he will have a lot to offer, so let's hope he is a speed reader!

 

[Juniper]

When you started talking about tokens being hidden in a cave i remembered the USA Today article where MS mentioned the tokens were not in dangerous places. Here is a piece of the article that I am refering to:


Stadther won't give away the tokens' locations or how to use the book to find them, but he offers advice on where not to look. "They are not buried, not on private property, not under anything, nothing has to be moved. They're not in dangerous locations; they are not underwater or in caves."


It is on ATT home page under Explore the World of ATT.

 

[CMSCHUT]

Zuse & Juniper , thanks for your hard work. i feel bad now .i was trying to say that maybe the locations for these tokens was maybe in a heavy populated bat area. it seems the jewels were in rusfuls cave before the fairies came and took them. the darklings reminded me of bats and was maybe thinking of an area populated with bats. the area in iron mtn. mi was an old mining town with alot of caves and trees everywhere , i never seen so many trees . that's what got me thinking of the paper mill and the polution from the paper killing the forests up there ( or so the locals say. ) i was thinking he could be hinting at an area like this. i'm sorry for your research . didn't mean for you to do it , but i did read it . carol

 

[zuse]

CMSCHUT - No apology needed. We are all just trying to think of any possible angle. All ideas are good ones, as far as I'm concerned. Like I said, even if the direction isn't right, just one word or image could be the one that gets us on the right track. BTW, I only research ideas that I think have merit. You've helped me a lot and I thank you for the ideas you've presented so far. Zuse

 

[CMSCHUT]

Zuse thank you ! CAROL

 

[Juniper]

CMSCHUT, The same goes here. No apology needed. I agree with zuse that your thoughts get us thinking again.

 

[salkns]

CMSCHUT-
I too thought of bats! I can remember seeing a show about a place where you can go and see them all fly out of a cave. If my memory serves, there was alittle ampitheater outside the cave and it was in a warm climate state.

I've been wanting to make a contribution to the posts, but it seems everyone is 3 steps ahead of me. Not sure if this is anything, but I'll throw it out there for pondering...a few anagrams I got... out of "Ye Nomenclature of Faeries"..."see leafier for county name" out of "Kootenstoopits"..."Token sits o'top" Out of "Pickensrooters"..."Token cross pier"
Anyone have any thoughts?

Also I out "pence" into the search box for www.dictionary.com and it came back as Pence, TN and the zip code for it.

Just a few more thoughts...In looking into state trees, I came across a website that had plants that were endagering other plants in our forests. The thistle looking plant was one. (I was at work and had to log off before I got the names. What if the flowers and vines in the drop letter boxes are invasive plants and our attention is being drawn to them as a cause? I need to go back and look at them again.

To me it seems obvious that the tokens are hidden in tree knot holes. There are so many references to it, that I have been trying to look more for words than would have to do with location. (ie. left, North, road). I may be way off.

In reading the dream, it says that Zac "looked at the forest in a new way. He saw things he had never seen before and he took those things and filled the small boxes with them....He knew where the jewels were hidden...and he would have them before noon tomorrow." Now if we look for what Zac had never seen before..."Zac did not even believe in fairies." The last sentance of the Foreward reads, "...if you believe in Fairies, you may find the clues that will lead you to the treasures."

What if the fairies were put into the boxes some how? Including the Darklings and there kin, there are 12 different fairies, plus the 12 creatures which he does not notice equals 24. Pook makes 25, but he has seen Pook, so how about Yorah? 25 is representative of a quarter (not half, not whole...a quarter) The other thing that keeps coming to mind when I think "is not whole" is the word "Halfling".

If the sub poem is true, and the seven is the key, then maybe "believe" is the seven letters that will be the key to something.

Does any of this make sense to anyone? Any feedback would be great, and I wish everyone happy hunting and the best of luck!
Sally

 

[Paradox]

I think there are words or letters in the leaves of the tree on page 24 (somewhat similar to those pointed out by Haley in the leaves of the tree on page 76). I can make out ?SC? (slightly below the midpoint and canted sloping down from left to right). I also see something like ?SYW? at the top and ?PRT? below the ?SYW?.

Has anyone else had any luck deciphering what is in the tree leaves on page 24?

 

[CMSCHUT]

SALKNS, you reminded me of a few things when i was looking up gingko trees. there were a few places , one on an iowa campus and another in california. there was a group trying to get rid of the tree and another fighting to save it . ms also says in the forward that he hopes we learn to take care of the earth and each other . i think your idea on the plants is worth going back and getting. also a book i bought because of this hunt called the code book by simon singh, refers to a nomenclature as you pointed out. which leaves me to believe that the key is somewhere in the nomenclature of faeries. because like ms said and you brought back ... if you believe in fairies. fairies or faeries is a 7 letter word . he also said .... and not to be afraid of the dark. i think more than any of the chapters he might have put more clues in the forward. i'm still digging there .