Treasure Clue, can you help?

Carol, If you look at the page with the wooden blocks, the Pickensrooters big toe is pointing to the block. On the block, the letters are the same color as their borders. Now, take that letters with same color borders (red w/red, pink w/pink, green w/green) from the main puzzle and you get 4 jumbles. They unscramble to read "find the trees hole" I believe, as many do, that the tokens are hidden in tree holes. Other clues would be the riddle in the poem, of above ground and below sky, the tree's talking in the dream. On tweleve.org someone said to turn the picture of Yorah on it's side and it looks like the US, and the eyes of the trees are the cities of where the tokens are. Another said to look at the 2 fairies with the broken tea cup (I don't have my book handy right now for page #) and if you do the type of picture puzzles we used to do as kids, you get "Salt Lake City." The SALT box, the Pickensrooter is sticking his tounge out as if LICKing, he is pointing to the other fairy who is SITing, and then the TEA cup. SALT LICK SIT TEA...say it fast and you get SALT LAKE CITY. Thank you for your feed back on the Darkling page. It reminds me of that puzzle as well.

Two puzzles in the book I have not used are the maze and cryptoquote. Has anyone else found an instance to use them?
 

Kregger, i got many of the same as you on the new clue. for orange i would like to add rare trees, ginkgo would be rare to me since i never heard of it til this book. unlike elm , oak , maple , etc. just to add to your confusion. carol
 

to cmschut,
I ran across ginko trees out west when traveling many moons ago. There are also petrified ginkos if that means anything. Another weird thing, when I was in college in Traverse City, Michigan at Northwestern Comm. Coll. there was a ginko on campus. It is not a common tree in Michigan and was planted/transplanted by a staff member from campus. The tree is an interest to biology students because of the pattern the limbs make as the tree grows, some sort of radial pattern. The tree is surrounded by pines. I doubt this has any thing to do with anything, so if any one is nearby check it out. I have no clues pointing there. Kregger.
 

Kregger, your last post about the biology students finding the ginkgo interesting made me think and i've posted before that zac says to po i iok the trees are talking. i think that was a big hint . what do you say? i also think the tree on the front cover, it's face , is the sape of the heart . not a valentine heart , but the organ . i think he chose this type of tree because it was easy to put clues into them . i'm working on tracing the limbs cause i do think they are talking to us. i'll let you know if i find anything of interest to anyone . carol
 

Ive talked with some friends of mine about the ginkgo trees and we thought it was pretty rare since we had never heard of it but according to one friend of mine he ran searches on it and apparently they can be found in most major cities across the united states...
 

First off, thank you LilDoc for answering my question regarding "if there could be admission costs associated with a location where a token may be found". The reason I asked was because one of the locations below charges a nomimal fee to enter the park, which directly goes to upkeep of the property.
OK, now please bare with me, the rest of this may be a bit long-winded, but I find it very interesting?
I?ve been putting a lot of thought into the fact that MS has said, ?Anyone who can read can discover the exact location of each treasure? AND the poem states that ?Within the text you have the key.? So I?ve been looking into his wording and trying to find it?s significance. One thing that really caught my eye was in CHAPTER 9: THE JEWELRY BOX. As the forest creatures try to unsuccessfully communicate with Zac, they accuse him of being ?deaf, stupid (ie: dumb) and blind.? The first person that pops into my mind when I think of ?deaf, dumb and blind? is HELEN KELLER (to Helen). Doesn?t seem to mean much on it?s own, however there are some crazy ?coincidences? at play. For one, Helen Keller?s life was lived out in one big code ? Braille, sign language, etc. She was also an author, with her most well known book being ?King Frost?, wherein fairies are given treasures to deliver (to Santa of all people), but while traveling they hide them throughout ?The Great Forest? where they are ultimately found (by the Sun).
Helen Keller is also the poster child for succeeding through adversity (education and hardwork), issues MS seems quite passionate about.
Now, you?ll also notice when referring to the forest creatures in this chapter, they are prefaced with things like, ??when the EMBASSY of forest creatures arrived?? and Ladybug refers to the group as a DELEGATION. Both of these words can be associated to Helen Keller when you think about THE HELEN KELLER FOUNDATION.
There are two places where you can ?find? Helen Keller ? (1) her burial plot in the Washington National Cathedral and (2) her birthplace (Ivy Green) at the Helen Keller Memorial Park in Alabama. Interestingly enough, at Ivy Green, there is a bust of Keller with the inscription, ?I AM YOUR OPPORTUNITY.? This bust, however, is located in doors, so no tokens are to be found there. However, outside, on the grounds of the property and part of the Memorial Park, is an authentic MOON TREE. For those of you that don?t know what a Moon Tree is, basically during the Apollo 14 mission, one of the astronauts brought up a pocket full of seeds. Upon his return to earth, he (along with his pals in the government) spread these seeds in various areas across the country. The trees that came from these seeds (these delegates) are known as Moon Trees.
Could this be a ?launching point?? It?s interesting that these ?clues? (if they are clues ? if I?m not just really reaching), are in a chapter titled, THE JEWELRY BOX. The jewelry box being the item that must be filled with the treasures - essentially, the treasure?s home. Maybe MS wants us to start here (TO HELEN). Maybe, ultimately the clue isn?t necessarily about Helen Keller, but it wants to lead us to THE MOON TREES. There are many scattered throughout the country. Here is a link telling a little bit about them and where they are:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_tree.html

Anyway, it?s a thought. Let me know what you think. I?m going to check out the trees in California.
 

Vic,

Thanks for sharing your clues. I hope something works out for you! Meanwhile, please keep the ideas flowing. They are fresh and much needed.

I do want to remind people to keep the clues in context. The phrase, "Within the text, you have the key" is immediately followed by "for the one that is missing, you did not see." Some people think that the missing thing is either the Pook treasure (#13) or the letter Q, which could help decipher codes. And while I do believe there are more clues in the text that we have not explored, I am not over emphasizing the key in the text line because that is only half a sentence.

Is it time to explore the many coded messages that appear in nearly every full-page illustrations (usually in the borders)? For example, what message is encoded in the Celtic knots on pages 21-22? What message is encoded in the colored squares on page 31? What do the broken lines mean in the drop cap box in page 52? What about the edge of page 16? Why are the fairies in such odd postures in the border of page 36? Is page 52 a maze?

We found the alphabetic clues (poem) and the hidden creatures rather quickly, but we have stalled a bit in recent weeks. The Companion book shows us a variety of ways MS has encoded the more specific clues. Let's go get 'em!
 

Vic , you've outdone yourself again. when you asked that question i was thinking along the lines of places that would take a donation for tree preservation and such. but as i was reading your post i though you'd bring us all to a library. then i thought why not a library . it's too perfect . let me know what you think .

also wanted to add to all the gray areas on this hunt . ms says that we may find a token by accident walking down a street or in a field , but in the rules he states that all finders will be verified on their ability to decipher the clues . i'm out if i happen to find one by accident ? or is this just another typo. well good night all .carol
 

I agree with the Helen Keller line of thinking. That is why I took a trip there 3 weeks ago. Ivy Green is about 5 acres. My wife and I searched as best we could, without looking to suspicious, for about three hours. There is a moon tree there which we searched on a around the tree and didn't find anything. (No holes in the moon tree). Without knowing exactly where to look while we were there, it felt like the 'needle in a haystack' search. In the front yard there is a tree that is said it was Helen's favorite. This tree has a huge hole in the back of the tree but nothing found inside. There is also a Helen Keller Library near by. (Hint: Tackle Repositorys) We searched outside and did not find anything there either. There are plenty of places to hide a token around these areas but to find a token without any other clues would take some luck. Also I believe where Helen Keller is buried has images that reminded me of the book. I have read stuff on TT where other people have checked Ivy Green for a token, too.
 

OK, bear with me. It's late and my brain is fried. My name is Peggy and I am an anagramaholic. When we got the 2nd clue, I started to anagram everything I could with those letters. I came up with Green Hornet. Lone Ranger. Tonto. Etc. It started me thinking that those were RADIO shows. Some part of my brain is telling me there is a connection between crystal and radio. Am I certifiable?
 

Maybe this may help someone I ran across a web site called dukas tomb. It is a tomb that is octagon shaped. (the shape on the spider in the celtin knot page ant in the tree) Anyways this tomb is a giant cryptogram using numbers five to a side. Check it out at

http://www.xorn.com/Puzzles/Dukas/

muze
 

For what it is worth, I played around with the new clue, but didn't have time to finish it. If anyone wants to pick up this thread and see if they can finish it, in addition to the anagram we have already identified I came up with"

In Chapter 1, ???????????
??????????????????????
????????? it's plain to see
That all are hidden in a tree


Maybe somebody wants to play with the remaining letters and see if they can come up with words that would sensibly fill out that poem (if I'm on the right track).

Gemini
 

Litdoc , decided to look at pg 52 today. i've always thought it resembled a maze also , but am getting zip. i decided to try following what looks to be the first idea as a path , the area between the acorns and green vine border. the path is only from one corner to the other. that led me to think then that the maze was the green vines and leaves . there is a way to go through this , but what is the gain. i see none . there is no starting point or ending. so i decided to look into a maze being in the dropcap box could be there . the fairy is maybe pointing to the start ? but while i was looking here i looked at the butterfly inside the O and on it's bottom left wing looks as if the caterpillar is there . i was hoping since you pointed out these pages for us to look into maybe you had some ideas for them that you had thought of . i can see that he probably used the maze here that he mentions in the companion book, but can find no use or a way to get a clue out of it . was hoping you had an idea because this is a page i've totally ignored . please let me know if you have any ideas to help me on this maze. i don't know if the caterpillar was mentioned before , but you know i had to find a creature in there somewhere. let me know , carol
 

Gem, I like it so far, especially that it's a poem. I, of course, will now be doing anagrams the rest of the day. Thanks (I think). LOL
 

Excellent theory Vic, it's nice to see someone else thinking "outside" the box besides myself...? Most of these 30 pages are all about the same things- over and over agian and not seeming to go anywhere... And Bama, I think there very well could have been one in that tree you found with the big hole in it, but we don't and won't know until 2007... Thats what really bothers me about this whole deal and the re-wording on the ATT website about redeemed. The rules say none can be redeemed until end date. I think I have been to a couple places myself that should have been home to a token, but to no avail... I don't think telling people that some have been found would promote more interest as some here have said, I believe the opposite thinking well someone's on the right track so they'll all be found very shortly... It's the NOT knowing that drives people crazy and keeps them intrigued, cuz until 2007 unless you have deciphed the exact darn branch that a tokens is supposed to be on and go there to find its gone, you'll never know...
 

Blackbeard , sorry you feel that all these pages have been nothing but the same old stuff. everyone on this forum has brought good ideas and help to others here . we welcome vic and i believe he has brought good insight to this forum . just a reminder if we all knew what to look for do you really think we'd be here chatting . sorry to be a little upset , but i don't like the references you made .
 

My second to last post , to litdoc, got me to thinking about the caterpillar on the butterfly. caterpillars turn into batterfly's . and before that they are in coccoons , which is also called a chrysalis. in chap 1 pg 17 it says that zac had raised his best friend from a chrysalis. do you think maybe this is a hint to the caterpillar or butterfly. or better yet maybe how either is found. i was thinking that how they are concealed is the hardest part. i think they are in trees , but maybe suppose that how they relate to the tree is how they are concealed . like the caterpillar may be concealed in a coccoon of some type. i sounded not so crazy when i was thinking about it . well anyway let me know all your thoughts .

Gemini , i went with what you had and came up a few letters short . your hardwork requires 3 L'S but the new clue only has 2 same with an A i belive and a H . it's as for as i got . i really wanted it to work . unless i've erred in some way let me know and i'll try again , carol
 

caterpillar to cocoon to butterfly
dog/moth = doth; must have been a caterpillar at some point
cocoon is an interesting idea
 

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