An Inherited Puzzle

[Carl-NC]

Nice video. I'd climb that, looks to be a low-5 level. He says there is a top anchor so you could just rappel down. I've done a fair amount of technical rock climbing and have a lot of climbing gear; if I was still working in El Paso that would definitely be on my list. No spirits in the video either, that's a relief.

 

[bc5391]

Also, I realize you were referring to your friends sketch in relation to a figure with a lightning bolt being similar to something in the Cookes Range, but I noticed this on my photos and wonder if it relates? It’s half in shadow but stands out as if painted? Or maybe I’m just falling for the Pareidolia.

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that looks to be a cliff dwelling, depending on where it is at I would fly a drone up the peak to be sure. If it in a national park, then forget about it.

 

[bc5391]

I did not see Carl's post till the end, I admire you guys for climbing those peaks, I followed a wash up a steep mountain a few years back and almost had to change my shorts trying to figure out how the hell I was going to get back down, I was metal detecting (prospecting) at the time, and as you find bits and pieces, you forget where you are at. I'm in my 70's and do not bend very well.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

CDS, no offense, but half the time I can’t understand a thing you’re saying and don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. I appreciate the encouragement (at least I think that’s what I’m reading ?) but maybe ease up a bit, ok? Take a deep breath. 👍

Sure, thanks, no offense taken, Breathing Deep Now... Good Luck with yer drone, maybe get some vid?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

If I lived in the Dark Ages I might take it a little more seriously. It's an alibi for failure, or for not even trying.

I can tell you are a person until it happens to you will not believe it.

Exactly cyzak, we know ye can easily tell when one's not likely to've ever been over to an ancient vault or tomb... or even into one Alone!... He He... No experiences... Carl-NC, maybe you can Ask about thread owner's thoughts on it... Treasure Spirits that is...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Nice video. I'd climb that, looks to be a low-5 level. He says there is a top anchor so you could just rappel down. I've done a fair amount of technical rock climbing and have a lot of climbing gear; if I was still working in El Paso that would definitely be on my list. No spirits in the video either, that's a relief.

Good for yer climbing experience & ability, Awesome!. It's not about being fearful, just not knowing when the unexpected sounds, & maybe even sights mite occur, no joke! Once ye been there, then there's no doubt... Just goes with some kinds of Ancient, or witchcraft spoken over Treasures it seems... maybe one day you'll kindly, hopefully,... Understand...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I appreciate your concern and echo your words of caution. My friend and I shared a military background with experience in this type of terrain, and I believe my experience as a peak bagger is one of the reasons I was given this honor.

Yes, this is not for the uninitiated, it may start out a level 2 climb but quickly turns into a level 4. And yes, the ascent is perilous, but it’s the descent that will kill you.

My reference to overestimating my abilities was in regards to my reasoning, not my physical limitations. Though those are definitely a consideration.

But there’s no need for taking chances when I have a perfectly good alternative with my drone. I’m not a total idiot. Just reasoning impaired at the moment. Lol

But I do appreciate the warning, something everyone should be aware of if planning a visit.

So just curious, given the geographical area (if it's indeed a burial) & apparent known historical cultural practices, reckon it mite be of the Ancients, Anasazi ...

 

[sdcfia]

I appreciate your concern and echo your words of caution. My friend and I shared a military background with experience in this type of terrain, and I believe my experience as a peak bagger is one of the reasons I was given this honor.

Yes, this is not for the uninitiated, it may start out a level 2 climb but quickly turns into a level 4. And yes, the ascent is perilous, but it’s the descent that will kill you.

My reference to overestimating my abilities was in regards to my reasoning, not my physical limitations. Though those are definitely a consideration.

But there’s no need for taking chances when I have a perfectly good alternative with my drone. I’m not a total idiot. Just reasoning impaired at the moment. Lol

But I do appreciate the warning, something everyone should be aware of if planning a visit.

Yeah, get the drone footage first, then you'll know if you need to decide. Some acquaintances faced a similar challenge after viewing their drone footage a while back, taken just before the covid lockdowns. What to do about the unexpected discovery in the center of the first screen grab? Well, nothing, as far as I know.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Nice video. I'd climb that, looks to be a low-5 level. He says there is a top anchor so you could just rappel down. I've done a fair amount of technical rock climbing and have a lot of climbing gear; if I was still working in El Paso that would definitely be on my list. No spirits in the video either, that's a relief.

Cool. Come on down, I’ll be your second. Solos aren’t my bag. And sadly there is no anchor in place that I found. Would need to be a chain anchor as any webbing would deteriorate in the sun here. On viewing the video I see that was in April 2023. No spirits here, I never drink and climb. 😉

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I think I found the spider anyway.

It is washed out but you can still see some parts of the legs.


FINALLY!

Glad you’re keeping up.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Yeah, get the drone footage first, then you'll know if you need to decide. Some acquaintances faced a similar challenge after viewing their drone footage a while back, taken just before the covid lockdowns. What to do about the unexpected discovery in the center of the first screen grab? Well, nothing, as far as I know.
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That’s interesting, location? General is best, of course.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

So just curious, given the geographical area (if it's indeed a burial) & apparent known historical cultural practices, reckon it mite be of the Ancients, Anasazi ...

I believe the term Anasazi has been determined to be a misnomer and is currently considered ancient Puebloan. I’ve no idea on origin IF it is indeed a burial.

 

[sdcfia]

That’s interesting, location? General is best, of course.

Caballos. There are more caves than you can count in those limestone mountains. The stacked rocks apparently camouflage this one from everywhere except in the air.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Caballos. There are more caves than you can count in those limestone mountains. The stacked rocks apparently camouflage this one from everywhere except in the air.

Isn’t there a lake nearby, just off I25? I think I camped overnight there on the way down. Lots of goat heads, very little water.

 

[sdcfia]

Isn’t there a lake nearby, just off I25? I think I camped overnight there on the way down. Lots of goat heads, very little water.

Elephant Butte Reservoir. Used be be a big body of water - lots of fishing, recreation, etc. Due to extended drought and lack of snowpack in Colorado, it's down to 4% of full. Pretty much just a mud puddle nowadays.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

I believe the term Anasazi has been determined to be a misnomer and is currently considered ancient Puebloan. I’ve no idea on origin IF it is indeed a burial.

There are Specific areas as you know well i know, covering more than 4-corners regions & expanded, with some of the oldest determined artifacts, etc. in NA, aside from the Paleo's (Clovis) culture that Geographical evidence has been studied,
& The latter Pueblos claim their Ancient Peoples long ago, came out of the Earth. Perhaps The Ancient Anasazi's were of a period of time of the Ancient Puebloans, & like a tribe of or bands, their practices, the tools, pottery, weapons are of unique,
many comparable to the Early & Late Archaic periods, they were likely of those associated migrations. Understandable they lived in massive cave complexes in mountainous piles of rocks. The Earth was all different back then, those several millenia ago...
Very curios, if they did choose to leave a cherished Chief so high up above any water, animals or foes that they must've had back then. undoubetly with all of the things they thought he'd need to continue the eternal journey. Interesting Philosophical Beliefs.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Nice video. I'd climb that, looks to be a low-5 level. He says there is a top anchor so you could just rappel down. I've done a fair amount of technical rock climbing and have a lot of climbing gear; i

[Snip] "if I was still working in El Paso that would definitely be on my list.".

Doesn't that remind you much of an weak kinda' excuse, seeing the claimin' of supposed Esperiences & Fully equipped out?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Yeah, get the drone footage first, then you'll know if you need to decide. Some acquaintances faced a similar challenge after viewing their drone footage a while back, taken just before the covid lockdowns. What to do about the unexpected discovery in the center of the first screen grab? Well, nothing, as far as I know.
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Spanish looking symbols in pic 2, blended in. Nice, interesting...

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Welp, it’s not a burial. Back to square one.

Taking a break to regroup. Thanks all. 👍

 

[Carl-NC]

[Snip] "if I was still working in El Paso that would definitely be on my list.".

Doesn't that remind you much of an weak kinda' excuse, seeing the claimin' of supposed Esperiences & Fully equipped out?

If I truly believed there was buried treasure there then, yes, that would be an excuse. However, it just looks like a fun peak to climb, but not fun enough to make a dedicated 1700 mile drive.

When I used commute to El Paso I kept a second set of climbing gear in my apartment there, went to the Franklins to play on the rocks. I heard about a volcanic tube SW of Las Cruces you could climb down with gear, couldn't find it the last time I went out, then Covid hit and that shut down my visits. I gave up my apartment and hauled everything home (Oregon, now Washington).

Puff, if I have a new PI design to test next year I will likely want to take it to CA, AZ, and even NM. If that happens, I will definitely pack my climbing gear and let you know. Ironically, I used to test my detector designs at a volcano about 25 miles east of the Florida mtns, just off I-10.