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I will look forward to the pictures, I have seen Ancient coins come out of the ground very Silvery like the day they were lost, I have also seen them come out in a variaty of colours, the colour should never put you off, as different elements can effect the colour of Bronze, Silver and Gold coins.XL-PRO PRO said:I'll try to download some later today.I have no reason to believe this coin would not be authenic.It has that slick silver finish and came out of the ground(about 7") still shining.If it was a modern reproduction I would think it would be marked .925 or sterling.
I'm guessing they were made for Sears from the evidence I've seen so far but what do I know.. I'm just one of those pesky Americans.. The fact that not many have been found proves nothing. Maybe they weren't a hot seller ?Dano Sverige said:Interesting conclusion,but i still think there's a large mystery there with these coins.As the professor say's..who minted these coins and for what purpose,and why are they buried/ found in 11 different states? (upto now). All very odd and interesting.
Also,i wonder why nobody turns up stating "oh my grandmother has one of these" etc etc? If they were made as a necklace for ornamentation,or other purpose,then you'd suppose they were made to be sold? and if so then many more should have been found by now?
No matter,as stated,this has been a great thread and subject,and also puts you in an elite and small group of people who have discovered one of these coins.You have something now that few others will ever have..an object named after your home state because of YOU!
I also say "banner".
Thanks to all for their hard work,and apologies to those i may have upset lol.
You have it all wrong. Sears Roebuck & Co. discovered America in the early 20th century... The proof is right here ! Banner !!HISPAN said:Dano Sverige said:Happy to see the American educational brainwashing is still working strong lol.
What's so hard to believe that Columbus wasn't the first "outsider" to find North America? The Vikings did it 300 years before Columbus,and the Phoenicians certainly had the ships and knowledge to make it easily a thousand years or so before the vikings!
2 or 3 professor's,some institution in Boston,and a coin expert/author all agree these coins are ancient...but maybe they don't have the benefit of your expertise?
Anyhow,the last statement recommending contacting the author IS a very good plan,one i'd recommend doing.It could be you have a two thousand year old coin and a genuine piece of pre-american history.
America discovered Spain in 1492 !
Well, here we go again.I have a very similar coin(same horse-head with palm tree but no roots) definitley a silver/gold composition,minted on one side only with a microscopic mint mark(1 with wings) on the base of the smooth side.My coin was personally found on a mountain in Tenn. in the late 70's.At the time the only research source available was the local library where I did manage to locate an example in book on Greek coinage, published in 1955.It showed the same coin being minted in Carthage about 400bc and also showed the mintmark.It was listed as one of the earliest known minted coins and in 1955 was valued at $500.It was some years later before I noticed the mintmark(not visable to the naked eye)while examining the coin under a magnifier.All of the so-called experts I have contacted have never heard of this particular coin except one who told me it would be almost impossible for me to obtain.So,add another state to your list.Thanks DBULL
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Thanks for posting archer.well guys i watched UNEARTHING AMERICA the other nite and he was looking at a minoian tablet found in michigan four years before they found the ruins over seas, soooo who knows
Dear Dale Brennan (aka History Hunter),
I received your request to comment on your new find of a bronze putative ancient coin with the palm tree showing dangling roots. This coin is an example of one of the mysterious Farley Coins. There has been much discussion of these coins in popular and scholarly publications. Some have considered these coins to be evidence of a Carthaginian presence in America. However, thanks to new discoveries such as yours, it now appears that this coin series in fact represents fantasy copies of ancient coin designs combining Greek and Carthaginian elements. I was able to demonstrate this in the following book:
McMenamin, M. A. 2000. Phoenicians, Fakes and Barry Fell: Solving the Mystery of Carthaginian Coins Found in America. Meanma Press, South Hadley, Massachusetts. ISBN 1893882012.
The late Gloria Farley, who had read of my Carthaginian map coin research, first brought these fantasy replicas to my attention. Her specimen was very worn and corroded. I was able, in 2000, to locate a Farley Coin in Northampton, MA, from the same or very similar dies that still retained mint luster under a lacquer coating. Thus no way can this be an ancient bronze coin. Nevertheless, your coin remains an important piece of American history and will henceforth be referred to as the ?Wisconsin Farley Coin.? Who minted these fantasy coins, and why, remains a mystery. Also mysterious is why these coins are scattered all over Eastern and Midwestern North America. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to mint these coins, probably well over one hundred years ago. I would very much like to learn the answers to these questions. Farley coins such as yours sell on the open market in the 50-100 dollar range. Eleven specimens are known, from five different die varieties. Your coin is of the Alabama-type die variety. These coins will likely become more valuable as we learn more about them. For example, how deeply was your coin buried?
At present, no authentic Carthaginian coins have been found in North America. Jeremiah Epstein in his 1980 article in Current Anthropology actually mentions one of the "Farley coins" in his paper. He accepted it as a genuine ancient coin and did not identify it as a copy or fantasy piece.
Carthaginian map coin theory, on the other hand, is still going strong and has gained additional supporters. The most recent paper on this subject is the following:
McMenamin, M. 2009. The mystery of the Carthaginian map coins. NI (Numismatics International) Bulletin, v. 44, nos. 7/8, p. 125-126.
You have made an excellent and important find. If you wish to post my reply to TreasureNet, please feel free to do so, but please let me know when you post it, many thanks.
Happy hunting,
Mark McMenamin
What PM?Like i said in my PM it is a Jeton here is one thats very similar http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4517301448869605&pid=15.1 PM me back i wont be checking this page because i know everyone and their mom will be saying its not a jeton and its a fake.