🥇 BANNER Back in the Game - 1875-CC Twenty-Cent Piece!

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Although I had been out detecting often enough, my finds so far this year had come slowly - a trickle off several corroded coppers over the past few months and a worn-out Barber dime. One of the coppers found a few weeks ago was particularly bittersweet; it was a 1795 or 1797 Liberty Cap half cent with lettered edging. Sorry - I didn’t have the heart to post it. Mother Nature and long exposure to New England’s acidic soil had done its worst to Ms. Liberty. Despite my best hopes, the corrosion was too much. :sad1:

On my last outing, I made one stop at an old mill site that offered nothing but a lamp top and hunks of ferrous material. I left after an hour or so. Lately, I’ve had some difficulty in scouting for new promising sites, but the sparse finds at the mill prompted me to try for new prospects. Back in 2017, I had recovered a rare Native American pewter trade pipe from the 17th century in a wooded area that surrounded a later-period barn site. Sadly, much of the area had been recently lost to a new residential development, :sadsmiley: but an adjacent property looked equally promising. I had stopped by several weeks before to enquire about permission, but had to follow-up for a definitive answer. I felt some reluctance as I knocked on the front door owing to my appearance after digging earlier in the damp thickets surrounding the mill site. Covered in dirt, I only needed an orange jumpsuit and the sound of approaching bloodhounds to present the perfect image of an escaped convict. Happily, the property owners remembered my prior visit and were very welcoming. They kindly gave me permission and wished me luck. :sunny:

I wasn’t expecting much in my search. I was just happy to be searching near the approximate area where I had recovered the pewter trade pipe two years earlier. After recovering only one plain button after a half-hour or so, I dug for a signal near an intersection of stone walls. Surprisingly, a Victorian-Period cufflink with gold gilt and a glass stone came out of the hole. It was missing its clasp end, but I soon found that as well only 12” away.

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Instinctively, I searched further around the immediate area and came upon a solid signal (90 on the Deus) just a few feet away. I cut out a thick plug and pinpointed a clump of soil that produced a large silver coin. It had been a while since I’ve seen anything like that! I glanced at the dirt covered coin and could see a Seated Liberty figure. I was very happy having recovered my third Liberty Seated quarter in 30 years of detecting – or so I thought. I went on searching and recovered a 19th century tractor part, i.e., an ox shoe, an odd round disc of brittle pewter, and little else worth mentioning. The property owners were wonderful. I showed them what I had recovered and was invited into their home – straight to the kitchen sink to rinse the Liberty Seated quarter for a better look. I could barely discern the apparent date of 1875 on the coin. I was kindly invited to return another day to search further.

Upon returning home, I delayed examining the coin until I could do so with my 10-year-old son Matthew. When the time came, I grabbed a lamp and magnifying glass and explained to him the particulars of identifying old US coins. I verified that the date was 1875 and looked for the all-important mint mark, which was CC for Carson City, Nevada. I suggested that my son look for the mint mark as well by looking beneath the eagle on the coin’s reverse. Now I’m the king of wishful thinking :icon_king:, and I thought that the size of the coin looked a bit off. I had one or two fleeting thoughts of a 20-cent piece when first recovered but dismissed such notions as nothing more than a wishful thinking. Oblivious to the odd appearance of the eagle, (I think I was quite tired by the end of the day), I pointed out to my son that the mint mark was above the “cents” located near the coin’s rim – “CENTS” on a supposed “QUAR. DOL.” coin. I finally got it when I saw “TWENTY.” :idea1: I said to my son, “Oh my god, this coin is a twenty-cent piece!” My son replied in disappointment, “Wait a minute - this coin is only worth 20-cents?” :icon_scratch: I explained that it was the coin’s face value and then showed him its collector value in an old copy of Red Book.

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I didn’t hesitate at cleaning the coin with a brief cook of electrolysis – 30 seconds on each side of the coin and an extra 30 seconds on the coin’s reverse. I was very happy with the results and the coin’s overall appearance – no significant scratches or dings and just enough “LIBERTY” visible on the shield.

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The twenty-cent piece coin was only minted for circulation for two years – 1875 & 1876; it’s the shortest lived denomination of all US coins. A few hundred were minted as proof coins in 1877 & 1878. The coins quickly became unpopular with the public, as the coin was easily confused with the quarter due to its identical liberty image and similar size, and I totally agree. It fooled me for a while, and I couldn’t be happier to have been mistaken! So I didn’t find my third Liberty Seated quarter in 30 years of detecting, but that’s fine by me. :icon_thumleft:

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Great story and what a coin after the cleaning!!!! Incredible how it came out. I am not a coin expert but I'd bet that's worth a good 500.00! It's funny that I have such an interest in the value because I would never sell it if I found one like that! It's just nice to know!

xcopperstax - Agreed on the value of somewhere in the neighborhood of $500, and I also have no interest in selling the coin. This coin is what I call a "two question" find, which I use in referencing all my best finds. The two questions are from my wife when I bring home with something exceptional. She'll ask me, How much is it worth and when are we selling it? I never seem to have an answer for the second question. :icon_scratch: ??? :icon_scratch: :laughing7::laughing7::laughing7: Thank you for the banner vote!
 

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I want to correct myself . I found one nine years ago not thirteen. I wonder if most of them are in great shape due to the short circulation period. Again congrats Bill
 

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I want to correct myself . I found one nine years ago not thirteen. I wonder if most of them are in great shape due to the short circulation period. Again congrats Bill

Bill - Thanks. They are in particularly good shape especially in consideration that the "LIBERTY" is raised on the shield rather than recessed as with nearly all other Liberty Seated coins. It was thought that the plain edge on the coin would be sufficient for distinguishing it from the quarter, which has a reeded edge. But it was too often mistaken for a quarter due to similarities of design on both sides of the twenty-cent piece.
 

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Congrats Jim on another rare coin! That’s one that a lot of people haven’t even heard of let alone find.

Ross - Thanks and good to hear from you. There will likely be an upcoming news story about the recovery of 17th century Arabian silver coins being found in New England and their connection to Red Sea piracy. Three more coins were found last year including one coin at an archaeological excavation in CT. I will keep you posted. :icon_thumleft:
 

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That's an other coin I have never found but only seen online. Great find, congratulations!
 

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Wow, great finds, jewelry always gets me excited. Congratulations
 

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IN my world that’s a BANNER all day every day!!! Wow I’m still trying to buy one then find one and a “cc”? It just doesn’t get better than that. That’s one in a million find right there. I am so jealous and so happy for you. Damn you and congratulations!!!

She is perfect

I’m trying to vote BANNER but can’t find it on my iPhone. Normally it’s on the top right but it’s not there.
 

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All Carson City mint coins are supposed to be returned to Carson City! I will send you my address so this coin can safely be returned to its town of birth!
 

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Thanks and much appreciated. In regards to condition, she is somewhat close to perfect, but the half-dime you just dug - now that's perfect. As your recent recovery shows, I need to figure out some way to keep better tabs on any construction in my area. I had a cellar hole a few years back that I pounded over multiple trips and pulled two or three coppers but little else. Then the site got bulldozed, and it was crazy for a few days - over a dozen coppers (many better than average dug condition and a killer GWI button. I can hardly imagine what I typically miss at celler holes because so much is just too deep. I've tried sifting at times but that's been time-consuming and usually not very productive.
 

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How’s the smooth edge of this coin!?
 

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Thanks and much appreciated. In regards to condition, she is somewhat close to perfect, but the half-dime you just dug - now that's perfect. As your recent recovery shows, I need to figure out some way to keep better tabs on any construction in my area. I had a cellar hole a few years back that I pounded over multiple trips and pulled two or three coppers but little else. Then the site got bulldozed, and it was crazy for a few days - over a dozen coppers (many better than average dug condition and a killer GWI button. I can hardly imagine what I typically miss at celler holes because so much is just too deep. I've tried sifting at times but that's been time-consuming and usually not very productive.

Thank you so so much for those kind words. #notworthy IMG_2721.jpg
 

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Why is this still not on Banner Board?????
 

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All Carson City mint coins are supposed to be returned to Carson City! I will send you my address so this coin can safely be returned to its town of birth!


:laughing7: You sound like the US Mint when they required the return of priceless 1933 double gold eagles owned by the Langbord family; of course, $80 million is a bit more than $500 bucks. The case went back and forth for years with multiple appeals, but it's hard to beat the government. The family had to surrender the coins with zero compensation. The family fought for ownership up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear the appeal.
 

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TWENTY CENTS....! Good score! :thumbsup:
Wow, forgot that it was among the denominations that were minted.
Got to be on everyone's Bucket List...!
 

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How’s the smooth edge of this coin!?

CoinFetcher:

The edge is plain and smooth like a modern nickel. The difference between a smooth and reeded edge was not enough to satisfy the public, and I can see why in the below images comparing the twenty-cent piece and the quarter - identical obverse and similar reverse with slight variation in size. :icon_thumright:

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Which one is the quarter? :icon_scratch: Not as easy as it looks if you can't make a side-by-side comparison.

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Similar eagle design on the reverse.

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That’s a banner to me sry I’m late on it but it’s rare obscure and cool a/heck
Score !!
 

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That’s a banner to me sry I’m late on it but it’s rare obscure and cool a/heck
Score !!

:icon_thumleft: I appreciate the sentiment, which I believe is not late at all. The jury is still out on this find making banner.
 

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Wow, what an amazing score! I would say that one needs to be sent off for grading ASAP! Looks like a minimum AU coin to me, 2015 red book puts it at $1,750 in AU!!! Congrats!!!!!
 

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Awesome!!! I'm sure I don't need to tell you to go and search that area again.
 

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