Mysterious Tin Coin - part of Templar legacy?

[vastik]

Please go to my website to view this amazing coin. If you can offer any assistance in identifying its origins, I would be most grateful.

www.mysterycoin.com

 

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[johnnyi]

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts, one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

 

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[Montana Jim]

Our work here is done... (IMO)

 

[vastik]

Here's a interesting link :P it also puts johnnyi's wine theory back into it

http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/alternative/secret_symbols_IHS.htm

SS

The description sounds nearly identical.
This is definitely the closest we have come.

I think it is from a church for sure. Would love to find another like it.

 

[vastik]

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts, one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

Johhnyi,

How do I scan the word to search for the images?

Thanks!
Vickie

 

[Kevo_DFX]

Might a lot of you be on the correct path? Could it be from a sacramental wine bottle?

5 mins later:

here's a link with a very close image on a seal, about halfway down the page under the heading "Jesuit Corner"

I see I forgot to include the link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...oft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&sa=N&um=1

 

[Silver Searcher]

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts, one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

Johhnyi,

How do I scan the word to search for the images?

Thanks!
Vickie

Just Google the word Vickie

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Having learned from Germany last week that what first appeared to me to be "I I I S" is actually a well known (over there) monogram "I H S" which is Latin for "Jesus savior of men" (somethig Jim immediately pointed out early on, and which I'd missed) , I retract any guess that this is associated with wine bottle or other bottle that is not directly associated with a church memento.

I thought IHS was a given since MJ mentioned it back on reply #3, like you said. I dont know why Jesuit Christians could not be associated with wine making.



All I can say vastik, is that it appears to be machine stamped sometime during the Industrial Revolution or after... and therefore cannot be Medieval Germany. I am waiting for a side view picture. Tests reveal a 20th century metal alloy. Ill PM someone and try to get some more help because I dont know enough about the symbolism..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

For those interested, google "all seeing eye" and "Jesuits" for some reading.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The word "mission" does not necessarily have to be a place. It could also mean: a. A special assignment given to a person or group: an agent on a secret mission.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mission


So to sum it up so far, what we may have is a one-sided 20th century Jesuit or Illuminati "all seeing eye" tag or medallion with the German words "in memory of the holy mission", that was at one time glued to something.

The Illuminati was a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I admit not knowing much about it but this link makes a connection between the Illuminati, the Jesuits and Germany. http://meetilluminatimembers.com/illuminati.html

Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy "power behind the throne", allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order. Confusing the issue further is the fact that there are also several modern fraternal groups which include the word "Illuminati" in their names.

The Order of Illuminati was a group formed from within the Freemasons in 1776 by a Jesuit taught man by the name of Adam Weishaupt. It's goal was also the creation of a new world order but the group was suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all of the kings in Europe including the Pope! The Order was carried on by Geoseppe Messini of Italy and Albert Pike of South Carolina who was a 33rd degree Mason. This group would spur on others such as the Bildeberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, the U.N and many more.


I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid to early 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Just something else to think about and to add to the book medallion idea. Although IHS, cross and 3 spikes is definitely the Jesuit Seal, it is also the logo of IHS Press, a Catholic publishing house based in Virginia. Scroll down to Black Sun. http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Occult_symbolism_II#Black_Sun

 

[trikikiwi]

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I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

IMHO;
the back of this, scored so crudely; someone liked the look of it where it was, before it fell off.

I can imagine - there was an attempt to re-attach it, with the original back, possibly. Then it fell off again, then the crude cross hatching is either a seriously, devious treasure map, or an amateurish attempt to make the B-----y Glue stick, this time

As I say, in my humble opinion.

Cheers, Mike

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

IMHO;
the back of this, scored so crudely; someone liked the look of it where it was, before it fell off.

I can imagine - there was an attempt to re-attach it, with the original back, possibly. Then it fell off again, then the crude cross hatching is either a seriously, devious treasure map, or an amateurish attempt to make the B-----y Glue stick, this time

As I say, in my humble opinion.

Cheers, Mike

I just meant that if it was a book, (porous) it should stick, or stay stuck. It must have been glued to something non-porous like ceramic or glass to feel the need to score it. In other words, I dont see the need to score the backside to stick to a book, unless the glue was poor or wrong type. But maybe Im guessing too much here with the scoring.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Three pages?

really?

It is not Medievel, but it still needs identified, unless you know what it is. Most of us lost interest with the wild speculation video.

 

[Happy Wanderer]

I've been a member here a long time and come here to read from time to time.
Don't post often, but this thread I found very intersting.....
I don't know anything about coins or tokens or madallions, not versed on German
culture or religious matters, I just like a good mystery!

Did some quick googling.....
From an auction, here is a glass item trimed in brass commerating a holy/scared mission,
from the 1920s the item description says.
Has same inscription as this "Mysterious Tin Coin"
"Zum Andenken an die Heilige Mission: except Heilige is abbreviated with hl.
Also has "Durch das Kreuz den Lohn" on it. Ran that through google translate
....came back in English as "Through the cross of the wage"....!?
The auction description (which google also translated the page) gives
the translation of the inscription as
"In memory of the Sacred Mission - Through the cross of the reward"
size given "Approx. 12.5 x10cm.", roughly 4x5 inches, quite larger than
the mystery coin.
If anyone knows enough German and could possibly contact this seller
to see if they knew more about the item...??

AUCTION in German
www.hood.de/auction/34875999/altes-glasbild-aus-20er-jahre.htm

AUCTION Translated to English
http://translate.google.com/transla...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=7vP

Also, something from a German church speaks of 'people's mission' and of commerating that mission.....
CHURCH in German
www.khg-wuerzburg.de/.../alle-bistumsnachrichten.html?f

CHURCH Translated to English
http://translate.google.com/transla...ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Hoping this might be a little "illuminating" for those who have time for more researching.

Happy Hunting,
from Happy Wanderer

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just wanted to add the plate image to your excellent post Happy. Clues seem to point to early 20th century.

 

[vastik]

Indeed! There is some good research going on here folks
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

 

[Silver Searcher]

Indeed! There is some good research going on here folks
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Here's a bit more, early German Gold Ducat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2769

SS

 

[vastik]

Indeed! There is some good research going on here folks
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Here's a bit more, early German Gold Ducat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2769

SS

Thanks SS, that is some great research on your part. I looked through David Icke's website but could not find anything. Glad you found it!
Based on the fact that only "certain" Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye, I'm thinking it was a "higher order" -- perhaps my theory of the Illuminati is correct. It's what I've been telling the owner of the coin all along.
I'm going to search some more as I have a strong interest in secret societies and the Illuminati in particular.

Thanks for your help!
Vickie

 

[vastik]

Based on the fact that only "certain" Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye, I'm thinking it was a "higher order" -- perhaps my theory of the Illuminati is correct.

Where did we obtain any "facts" that certain Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye? You seem to be spinning speculation into facts

Check the earlier posts for some clues. Perhaps "fact" was the wrong word to use.