Mysterious Tin Coin - part of Templar legacy?

[vastik]

Please go to my website to view this amazing coin. If you can offer any assistance in identifying its origins, I would be most grateful.

www.mysterycoin.com

 

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[scratcher]

I would say that if you have Johnnyi, Crusader, and SWR UNITED and questioning something, you had better listen

SS,
Yes, it seems that there are many uncalled for comments on this thread. It's unfortunate.

It seems that Johnnyi, Crusader, and SWR have some kind of bone to pick with us two in particular. Why? Who knows?

We should all try to be more respectful of one another. Unfortunately, when I am shown disrespect, I tend to throw it right back.

But for the love of Pete people....can't we all just get along?

thanks scratcher, you know where its at. I'm always here to help & yes I like a joke

Trust me I never pick a bone unless very upset, & rarely then as well. I have no need to add to this because its already been covered.

(I hoped you would get a kick outta that )

 

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[CRUSADER]

By the way Your Dagger Handle was correctly ID by myself and PBK...hard for you to except I know, because somebody from the UK got it right just Green Check it like it should have been weeks ago

SS, with all due respect, I cant recall you ever making a correct ID here at TN but I recall many by johhnny. Can you post this dagger handle? I must have missed it.

I agree pictures can be deceiving but its not possible to hold it in our hands. Good clear pictures from different angles will have to suffice.

Now I've had time to read this with my morning tea, I can see where this all went downwards.

Although I don't agree with SS all the time, I feel this was not a helpful comment in IDing this piece & amounted to a personal attack. SS has spent many hours on items like this & has many correct IDs & facilitated many others. I know there is a bit of history between you but this was not called for & quickly spiralled out of control. Enough said on this as its waist space on this ID.

 

[IronSpike]

I think johnnyi was just steering in direction of wine bottle/jam jar based observation this appear to be a one sided object and not a coin/token.

Here's another idea: Medallion for a book

http://shop.ce-bookcovers.com/index.cgi?code=3&cat=2

IronSpike,

That is a very interesting looking book and medallion on it. Do you know what it represents? Where did you find the photo?

Thanks for posting.

There's a link with the posted pic. Didn't notice already suggested by BCH

I think it's helpful when thread owners can assist in answering questions about object. It helps research by not only relying on pics

 

[vastik]

LOL!!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!

That was a great morning laugh MJ -- thanks!

 

[vastik]

Hi everyone

I spoke to the owner of the coin last night. I asked him if he thinks that there may be a chance that it was ever stuck to anything. He said it wouldn't be out of the question, although, he doesn't see any clear evidence of an adhesive. Perhaps the pieces of adhesive got so flattened over time, that it looks like they are part of the coin itself as I certainly didn't see any either.
He will also take photos of the side, and try to get us an exact measurements of the coin. He is away this weekend, but will do so as soon as he is able upon his return.
I will then be able to post more information. He did say however, that it was actually larger than a Canadian Toonie, by about 1.5 times the size. This could probably account for the weight.
He is still leaning towards the item being of Rosicrucian origin.
I will post more info as soon as I get it.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

By the way Your Dagger Handle was correctly ID by myself and PBK...hard for you to except I know, because somebody from the UK got it right just Green Check it like it should have been weeks ago

SS, with all due respect, I cant recall you ever making a correct ID here at TN but I recall many by johhnny. Can you post this dagger handle? I must have missed it.

I agree pictures can be deceiving but its not possible to hold it in our hands. Good clear pictures from different angles will have to suffice.

Now I've had time to read this with my morning tea, I can see where this all went downwards.

Although I don't agree with SS all the time, I feel this was not a helpful comment in IDing this piece & amounted to a personal attack. SS has spent many hours on items like this & has many correct IDs & facilitated many others. I know there is a bit of history between you but this was not called for & quickly spiralled out of control. Enough said on this as its waist space on this ID.

OK I see now that this historic find thread was going great until I came along with my personal attack. This thread could have been a TN legend. Im sorry to upset you Crusader and Im sorry vastik for commenting. SS has spent many hours on this and I think hes headed in the right direction. Like he says, we cannot tell from just a picture, and this could be silver. Vastik I think you should ignore any comments by Johnnyi and the others, because they may just have a bone to pick with you.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I also want to add that there is NO HISTORY between SS and I. Yes, is true that I most always disagree completely with him, but that doesnt mean I have a grudge. I would be the first to congratulate him if I see a great ID. My problem is that I call it as I see it and that may not be politically correct. If someone is wrong, I will not hesitate to tell them. In the future, I will try to hold back my opinion. Just because someone has spent many hours, doesnt mean its helpful. I realized that I shouldnt have said it, I tried to delete but not fast enough.. It wasnt so much an attack on SS but I was supporting johnnyi for all the great correct IDs he has made here and I really did miss the dagger ID and I still cant find it.

 

[Tattooguy67]

Hi all, I have a few thoughts on this thread if I may be so bold, first off we have Vastic posting this and answering ?'s about this object when in fact it is not even in her possession, and then having to try and track down the owner for size and weight info and such, then i have seen several references to it being close to or the same as a Toonie, which I am guessing is some kind of Canadian coin? I know what a Loonie is, it's the Canadian dollar coin and at one time i had one, but it's been a while now so maybe if using coins for comparison it would be helpful to use ones from the 2 countries that seem to be doing most of the work on this, IE the U.K and the U.S, and also it may be more helpful to either have the owner be more forthcoming with the info requested or perhaps they should be the one doing the posting so as to speed up the process, no offence to you there Vastic, it seems you are in that most unenviable "rock and hard place" spot, but at the same time you do seem somewhat offended by some of the theories put forward and that seems less then helpful at times so....anyways those are some of my thoughts on this object and the post it started.

Chuck

 

[artzstuff1]

I think it was on a letter opener,,attached with epoxy,,,thanks

arthur

 

[vastik]

Hi all, I have a few thoughts on this thread if I may be so bold, first off we have Vastic posting this and answering ?'s about this object when in fact it is not even in her possession, and then having to try and track down the owner for size and weight info and such, then i have seen several references to it being close to or the same as a Toonie, which I am guessing is some kind of Canadian coin? I know what a Loonie is, it's the Canadian dollar coin and at one time i had one, but it's been a while now so maybe if using coins for comparison it would be helpful to use ones from the 2 countries that seem to be doing most of the work on this, IE the U.K and the U.S, and also it may be more helpful to either have the owner be more forthcoming with the info requested or perhaps they should be the one doing the posting so as to speed up the process, no offence to you there Vastic, it seems you are in that most unenviable "rock and hard place" spot, but at the same time you do seem somewhat offended by some of the theories put forward and that seems less then helpful at times so....anyways those are some of my thoughts on this object and the post it started.

Chuck

Thanks for your input Chuck. It is not the comments and theories that offend me, it is the sarcasm behind some of them. I did not come here to be joked about.
The owner of the coin simply does not have the time or resources to actually be able to post on this forum, so I am doing this as a favour to him and becuase of my own curiousity about the item.
He is sometimes slow in getting the information, but we are trying.
I will get exact measurements and photos of a side view, and will post them as soon as I have them.

Everyone's help is much appreciated in this thread, whether they are in support of me or not. We all have our theories, but until a concrete identification is made, this item will remain a mystery. I hope to one day find another one just like it, so that we can be sure of what it is.

Vickie

 

[Ramitt]

My problem is that I call it as I see it and that may not be politically correct. If someone is wrong, I will not hesitate to tell them. In the future, I will try to hold back my opinion.

Don't stop being you. And clean out your inbox.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

For those of us like me that are still trying to visualize the size of this unknown item, here are some examples of Canadian coins. I believe the bottom row is the same size as US coinage.

He did say however, that it was actually larger than a Canadian Toonie, by about 1.5 times the size.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I am thinking about the wine/jam bottle theory. Someone felt it was important enough to score it and glue it back on, so maybe its not a common bottle.

 

[vastik]

It is a possibility that it was on a bottle of holy water.
I still would like to find another to verify exactly where it came from.

I will ask for an exact size.

Thanks for posting.

Vickie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It may also be a lid to something, that was later glued to something else. It doesnt help that most of what I google comes up in German.

http://www.mysterycoin.com/

 

[mojjax]

Memory of the 1900 Mission = Andenken an die heilige Mission 1900 (German)

To The Holy -or- The Saint = an die heilige

IHS = Jesus (Latin)

Well, I just read your other site... I guess the translations were already done.

Also contains the Jesuit Seal...

I wonder if it could be a Commemorative item from the Ecumenical Missionary Conference held in New York in the year 1900 .

http://books.google.com/books?id=MN...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA

there were Missionaries from all over the world attending , including Germany .

 

[johnnyi]

"It is a possibility that it was on a bottle of holy water."

Yes Vickie. If you've googled "holy water bottle" you've seen a few already, with both square and round medalions adhered to their fronts. They are modern though. It will be a challenge to find what Christian object this was attached to, but sooner or later it will show up.

Having learned from Germany last week that what first appeared to me to be "I I I S" is actually a well known (over there) monogram "I H S" which is Latin for "Jesus savior of men" (somethig Jim immediately pointed out early on, and which I'd missed) , I retract any guess that this is associated with wine bottle or other bottle that is not directly associated with a church memento.

 

[EE THr]

vastik;

"You guys know your coins, I don't doubt that, but I'm really looking for someone who knows about the symbology of it. I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about the symbology."

Here are some images from my hard drive, although I didn't save any stories on them other than the file names. Also some links---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
http://www.jesuit.org/Default.aspx?P=PortalHome

 

[Silver Searcher]

Here's a interesting link :P it also puts johnnyi's wine theory back into it

http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/alternative/secret_symbols_IHS.htm

SS