Mysterious Tin Coin - part of Templar legacy?

[vastik]

Please go to my website to view this amazing coin. If you can offer any assistance in identifying its origins, I would be most grateful.

www.mysterycoin.com

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Memory of the 1900 Mission = Andenken an die heilige Mission 1900 (German)

To The Holy -or- The Saint = an die heilige

IHS = Jesus (Latin)

Well, I just read your other site... I guess the translations were already done.

Also contains the Jesuit Seal...




I think it's a token or seal or ? ... not a coin.

Jim where does it say 1900?

 

[johnnyi]

Johnnyi,
There is nothing in the score lines. The metallurgy reports have magnified shots. I will try to upload and post the link tomorrow.
Another thing, you can download the photo on your hard drive and blow it up to have a closer look. I just want people to be open minded about this and not jump to conclusions and be presumptuous. We are all curious about this piece. If you think I'm pulling some kind of stunt, then go away and don't bother with this post.
I am here because I am curious. I am not interested in playing games, nor do I have the time in my life for doing such things. As for "my" other posts and descriptions, if you are talking about the website, that is not put up by me, it was put up by the actual owner of the coin.

First of all, never in any of my posts did I say or imply you were "pulling a stunt". It is curious that you would think otherwise. My comment about 'buying a bridge" was a friendly repartee SS and I occasionally indulge in with each other when he "rolls his eyes" to comments which make perfect sense.

You ask me to be "open minded". Vastik, yet "open minded" means considering observations on exactly what is there before us, and seeing where that information may lead. "Open minded" is not promoting a dramatic conclusion and then picking and choosing what facts fit that hypothesis. Incidentally, "open minded is not telling a poster to "go away" either when their observations do not match yours. To the contrary, it open mindedness is embracing those observations and proving them to be false if at all possible.

You have already been provided some observations by several posters experiences with coins and tokens, including myself, which you may not want to hear, but which I'm afraid, tend to bash the notion this object made it's way here 'via Oak Island', via "the Nazis", via the "Jesuits" , etc., and which instead strongly suggest this is a fairly modern item of the 19th or 20th century.

First of all, by even the loosest definition, this is not a "coin" or "token". It is one-sided with only one rim, and with a reverse scored clearly to adhere it within another object. Such scoring is a common practice to allow cement to adhere. Another observation you've been provided concerns your "metallurgists report suggesting it is "tin". A poster already pointed out that pewter is primarily tin based.

There have been other observations provided to you also which you might want to pursue, one of those being to study the fonts, particularly the interior fonts, and attempt to date these. The fact they are consistent with 19th century style would be yet another factor weighing heavily against the possibility of your object being older than the common fraternal order devices so very common in the 19th century.

 

[vastik]

Johnnyi,
There is nothing in the score lines. The metallurgy reports have magnified shots. I will try to upload and post the link tomorrow.
Another thing, you can download the photo on your hard drive and blow it up to have a closer look. I just want people to be open minded about this and not jump to conclusions and be presumptuous. We are all curious about this piece. If you think I'm pulling some kind of stunt, then go away and don't bother with this post.
I am here because I am curious. I am not interested in playing games, nor do I have the time in my life for doing such things. As for "my" other posts and descriptions, if you are talking about the website, that is not put up by me, it was put up by the actual owner of the coin.

First of all, never in any of my posts did I say or imply you were "pulling a stunt". It is curious that you would think otherwise. My comment about 'buying a bridge" was a friendly repartee SS and I occasionally indulge in with each other when he "rolls his eyes" to comments which make perfect sense.

You ask me to be "open minded". Vastik, yet "open minded" means considering observations on exactly what is there before us, and seeing where that information may lead. "Open minded" is not promoting a dramatic conclusion and then picking and choosing what facts fit that hypothesis. Incidentally, "open minded is not telling a poster to "go away" either when their observations do not match yours. To the contrary, it open mindedness is embracing those observations and proving them to be false if at all possible.

You have already been provided some observations by several posters experiences with coins and tokens, including myself, which you may not want to hear, but which I'm afraid, tend to bash the notion this object made it's way here 'via Oak Island', via "the Nazis", via the "Jesuits" , etc., and which instead strongly suggest this is a fairly modern item of the 19th or 20th century.

First of all, by even the loosest definition, this is not a "coin" or "token". It is one-sided with only one rim, and with a reverse scored clearly to adhere it within another object. Such scoring is a common practice to allow cement to adhere. Another observation you've been provided concerns your "metallurgists report suggesting it is "tin". A poster already pointed out that pewter is primarily tin based.

There have been other observations provided to you also which you might want to pursue, one of those being to study the fonts, particularly the interior fonts, and attempt to date these. The fact they are consistent with 19th century style would be yet another factor weighing heavily against the possibility of your object being older than the common fraternal order devices so very common in the 19th century.

Johhnyi,

Like I said, I am not familiar with metals. I will post the metallurgy reports and people can check them out and tell me what they say.
So far, I am the only one on this thread who has seen and touched this item. If I post something about it, it's because I have been witness to it, not because I have looked at a picture and come to a conslusion about what is on it. Having examined it, I can say it was never adhered to anything in any way. It stands alone.
I appreciate and value your opinions Johhnyi, as well as the opinions of others on this thread. I really hope that we can pull together to find out what this is. Personally I don't think it was made to exchange as a monitary value coin...so no, it is not a real "coin" per say.
I tend to think it may be more of a token to commemorate something or to be used as identifying a member of an organization.
Where it came from?
There must be some more of these out there somewhere.

The ebay link was interesting.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

At this point it is unsolved. The only clues we have come from the pics. Here is a pic of scoring that is commonly done for better adhering.

 

[Montana Jim]

Memory of the 1900 Mission = Andenken an die heilige Mission 1900 (German)

To The Holy -or- The Saint = an die heilige

IHS = Jesus (Latin)

Well, I just read your other site... I guess the translations were already done.

Also contains the Jesuit Seal...




I think it's a token or seal or ? ... not a coin.

Jim where does it say 1900?

Um... I can't remember where I got the translations... Maybe you can disregards my post. I'm only reading this now because it's beyond ridiculous. Reminds me of the Hmmm posts.

I think I just googled the key words off the medallion and translated them... I've no recollection of the 1900 piece of the pie - sorry.

 

[vastik]

Hi Everyone,

I tried to upload the MS Word files to Facebook, but that didn't work either.

I will suggest to Errol that he can post them on the website as it is easy to convert Word documents to web documents.

 

[Montana Jim]

Just cut and paste the text from Word to whereever you want to put it.

 

[diggummup]

No disrespect but I think this object falls along the lines of piggman1's "found in a football field" thread. Yes, it's unique only because we can't find another example of what it is. Does that make it invaluable or an extreme rarity? Who knows until we actually know what it came off of, but I doubt it. This thing screams "attachment" to me, those are obvious score lines on the back regardless if they are clean of any type of adhesive or not. JMHO

 

[vastik]

SWR,
I am dissapointed in you.
The person you posted about, Errol Bruce Knapp, is not the owner of the coin. I thought you would know better than to think that.

Also, what would there be to hose you about? And if the owner is going to hose anybody, why would they pick you? What would they have to gain from "hosing" the group of people on this forum?

The owner, as much as anybody else, has no idea what this is or where it's from.

You guys know your coins, I don't doubt that, but I'm really looking for someone who knows about the symbology of it. I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about the symbology. Evidently, I am wrong.

That said, I will keep searching for the answer.

Thanks go to those on this forum who are actually curious enough to actually hunt for answers.

 

[vastik]

SWR,
I am dissapointed in you.
The person you posted about, Errol Bruce Knapp, is not the owner of the coin. I thought you would know better than to think that.

Also, what would there be to hose you about? And if the owner is going to hose anybody, why would they pick you? What would they have to gain from "hosing" the group of people on this forum?

The owner, as much as anybody else, has no idea what this is or where it's from.

You guys know your coins, I don't doubt that, but I'm really looking for someone who knows about the symbology of it. I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about the symbology. Evidently, I am wrong.

That said, I will keep searching for the answer.

Thanks go to those on this forum who are actually curious enough to actually hunt for answers.

You don't know me....so, I don't know where "I am dissapointed in you" and "I thought you would know better than to think that" comes from.

I am a researcher, and as such I look at all angles. Errol Bruce Knapp owns the "Mystery Coin" website, so it is only logical who owns the "coin" or who has control over it. The website, in itself, is a huge joke....as others here have noted.

Where it came from, you asked previously. Well...being its written in German...Germany would be a good guess.

SWR,

A researcher you are; a good detecive you are not. You should know how to think outside the box.
Since you seemed to know so much about Errol, you should know that he is not the owner.
And by the way.....how do you know that I don't know you? Again, you are not thinking outside the box.

 

[shaun7]

SWR,
I am dissapointed in you.
The person you posted about, Errol Bruce Knapp, is not the owner of the coin. I thought you would know better than to think that.

Also, what would there be to hose you about? And if the owner is going to hose anybody, why would they pick you? What would they have to gain from "hosing" the group of people on this forum?

The owner, as much as anybody else, has no idea what this is or where it's from.

You guys know your coins, I don't doubt that, but I'm really looking for someone who knows about the symbology of it. I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about the symbology. Evidently, I am wrong.

That said, I will keep searching for the answer.

Thanks go to those on this forum who are actually curious enough to actually hunt for answers.

You don't know me....so, I don't know where "I am dissapointed in you" and "I thought you would know better than to think that" comes from.

I am a researcher, and as such I look at all angles. Errol Bruce Knapp owns the "Mystery Coin" website, so it is only logical who owns the "coin" or who has control over it. The website, in itself, is a huge joke....as others here have noted.

Where it came from, you asked previously. Well...being its written in German...Germany would be a good guess.

SWR,

A researcher you are; a good detecive you are not. You should know how to think outside the box.
Since you seemed to know so much about Errol, you should know that he is not the owner.
And by the way.....how do you know that I don't know you? Again, you are not thinking outside the box.

Scary

 

[vastik]

LOL!!! Why would that be scary Shaun7?

 

[CRUSADER]

LOL!!! Why would that be scary Shaun7?

I know your name

 

[vastik]

LOL!!! Why would that be scary Shaun7?

I know your name

Uh boy.....

 

[shaun7]

LOL!!! Why would that be scary Shaun7?

Oh.....various reasons

 

[vastik]

LOL!!! Why would that be scary Shaun7?

Oh.....various reasons

uh....okay father paranoia

 

[johnnyi]

vastik, in the interest of unbiased research and "thinking outside the box", why do you insist that your "friend's" object was never attached to anything? What factual basis do you have for making that claim?

 

[Mackaydon]

Ladies:
Can we please get back on topic?
Thank you.

 

[vastik]

vastik, in the interest of unbiased research and "thinking outside the box", why do you insist that your "friend's" object was never attached to anything? What factual basis do you have for making that claim?

Johnnyi,

I examined the coin. There are no traces of an adhesive. If it was ever adhered to anything, it must have been cleaned really well. It may have been intended to be adhered, but the lack of residue makes me think it has never been. Also, if there were traces of adhesive, the report from the metallurgy lab would state it, but it doesn't. I am thinking it is more of an "identification" piece....something that would be given to someone to identify them as part of a certain order. The symbology is that of the early Rosicrucian order......we think, but can't be sure. I was hoping this forum would help me to clarify that.

 

[vastik]

Ladies:
Can we please get back on topic?
Thank you.

Thank you!!!!