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[tomcat9605]

This is my first post. Please bear with me. I found this item on the Battle of Greensprings area, the British called it, the Battle of Jamestown Ford. Along with many American leadballs. Also a few British buttons. I have not cleaned it throughly yet. A crown with a pommel on top. Under the crown is some kind of flower. To the right is a unicorn with his horn bent, and broken legs. I'm sure there was a Lion on the left. You can see the broken edge where it was. Also the bottom shows where something had broke off. On the back one curved piece like and old buckle. Because of the green patina I believe it's made of copper, not sure though.

 

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[Iron Patch]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

 

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[shaun7]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

 

[Iron Patch]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

 

[hammered]

I think it's a Ristle or maybe a Throse , nah, on second thoughts I think Breezie is probably right .

 

[shaun7]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

 

[hammered]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

 

[Iron Patch]

I think Breezie is probably right .

I do tend to believe that, and unless there's a clear crown to see I'll continue to believe it. My 2nd post on this thread was... "you don't think it's a wild boar?" Going by the description of there being a crown, a pig didn't make sense, but a boar does because they are affiliated with military and quite common on dug items, especially just the head. Anyway, once the debate started... rose vs thistle, and believing it was a crown over top, the wild boar thought I threw out the window because it would have put it upside down, so I deleted my post. But now that Breezie suggested a weather vane, my initial thought makes sense, and so does a few other things including the odd "attachment" on the back. So I think she is right and will need something pretty concrete to bring me back... like a clear shot showing it's a crown. (and I hope it is because early military certainly beats a junk brass wind device)

 

[Iron Patch]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

And Shaun is a tasty 140 proof late Dec. treat.

 

[romeo-1]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

As clearly as you see a rose I see a thistle...go figure.

 

[shaun7]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

And Shaun is a tasty 140 proof late Dec. treat.

For Gods sake give me some credit

I'm at least 160! And we all know what it's like when two blokes get snowed in

 

[Iron Patch]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

And Shaun is a tasty 140 proof late Dec. treat.

For Gods sake give me some credit

I'm at least 160! And we all know what it's like when two blokes get snowed in

By the end of the Winter you'll no doubt be close to pure.

 

[hammered]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

And Shaun is a tasty 140 proof late Dec. treat.

For Gods sake give me some credit

I'm at least 160! And we all know what it's like when two blokes get snowed in

By the end of the Winter you'll no doubt be close to pure.

He's already pure IP, pure bloody magic . You coudn't find a better friend

 

[Iron Patch]

I haven't read every word on this post, but judging by the pic alone, it reminds me of broken pig weather vane, but I feel it is some type of badge since it has a crown & et all. Now, I'll go back and absorb everyone's post. Interesting find, Breezie

Wouldn't that be hilarious...

It looks like a thistle to me too...and I'm not just saying to establish Canada/UK rift.

I'm really not sure how you CAN'T see a Rose, its clear as day to me. Maybe I just handle more of these & know what I'm looking at

I can GUARANTEE I've had MANY more military items through my hands than you. So if I think I see a thistle, I'm not going to doubt my judgment. If we're both seeing something that doesn't exist on there, well that wouldn't surprise me either.

I think you losing the touch. I couldn't care less what you have had in your hands. I know what it is, crown over rose.

I could, I bought a detector from him

Poor you. It got almost as bad as my keyboard.

Now you know why I left it dirty... just for you.

Can you say that again in a pm....slowly

Ok, that's it, time for your rubber room time out.

There you go again!!! Why is it always me

Ah come on, I have to bully someone and Cru won't take the abuse.

Like I'd be bullied by a Canadian

Scaredy cat

Now now shaun, you know IP suffers with Tourner comme un lion en cage at this time of year .

And Shaun is a tasty 140 proof late Dec. treat.

For Gods sake give me some credit

I'm at least 160! And we all know what it's like when two blokes get snowed in

By the end of the Winter you'll no doubt be close to pure.

He's already pure IP, pure bloody magic . You coudn't find a better friend

Yeah he is ok...





For a UKer!

 

[tomcat9605]

Hey guys sorry about the pics but I have really been reluctant to clean it. I soaked it and very cafefully poked the dirt from between the horn and head of the unicorn. Over the years I'm sure a plow has bent it over. You can see, under magnification, the ripples where it bent over. Yes it is a crown on the top, and I would have to agree with Cru that it's a rose. I am going to let Coloinal Williamsburg clean it for me sometime down the road. They are really stressed for time and space for their own stuff, so can only get my buddy to handle very little at a time. Heres a pic after cleaning the dirt from the space between the horn and head.
Thanks tomcat.

 

[Iron Patch]

Hey guys sorry about the pics but I have really been reluctant to clean it. I soaked it and very cafefully poked the dirt from between the horn and head of the unicorn. Over the years I'm sure a plow has bent it over. You can see, under magnification, the ripples where it bent over. Yes it is a crown on the top, and I would have to agree with Cru that it's a rose. I am going to let Coloinal Williamsburg clean it for me sometime down the road. They are really stressed for time and space for their own stuff, so can only get my buddy to handle very little at a time. Heres a pic after cleaning the dirt from the space between the horn and head.
Thanks tomcat.

Big difference! That picture would have probably saved 80% of the posts on this thread. The bad news is I think there is less chance it is Rev War having a rose, but considering it's an American find, and has some age, it's interesting enough to figure out.

Did you find military buttons on the same site, or just close? I'm glad there is hope again for this one because I was starting to lose it. Don Troiani would be your best bet. chainshot@aol.com I would have suggested it earlier but the pictures were too bad.

 

[Iron Patch]

Don't suppose we could block the UK from this thread? For a week? ....a day? ....ok, how about just Shaun? No?

 

[NGE]

Well it's as simple as a quick email to find out what the 33rd used for a hat badge. The belt plate was like the buttons, just the number 33. Below is a soldier from the 33rd, but hard to tell. Below him is one from the 21st to give an idea of what was worn on their head as far as the over all construction is concerned.



Sad lookin' bloke, wouldn't ya say?......NGE

 

[trixie charger]

Breezie, NaturalJWL,

Maybe its because we live in North Carolina one of the biggest pork states in USA, but I see a HOG on the side. I have looked at the pics
turned everyway and cant see a Unicorn anywhere

 

[romeo-1]

Ahhh...a much better pic of the ROSE! Good luck at C. Williamsburg...keep us in the loop.

 

[NaturalJWL]

You guys are a Great wealth of information.

When you are on topic, and Hilarious at times.

Trixie, Breezie, we just hungry, need to go get some barbeque.