Superstition People, Places, & Things.

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Hal,
I know you're interested in early Mormon activity around the Superstition Mountain area.
Here is an odd story by Lon S. Safko that I just found, think you'll find it 'entertaining'.
(Story is below the list of photos.) (Q.C. in the photos is 'Queen Creek'.)

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That breathes new air on an old subject. Queen Creek a haven for the LDS?

The first house I bought in Tucson was in an old Mormon town called Binghampton that was annexed by Tucson decades earlier. I researched it back then because I was interested in when the old house I owned was built. I realize now the influence the Mormons had on the early history of AZ. Those Mormons came through Tucson and ran off an attachment of Mexican Soldiers that were still occupying Tucson during the war with Mexico.

Mormon BattalionMain article: Mormon Battalion (sections: Battle of the Bulls and Capture of Tucson)The first presence of Latter-day Saints in Arizona was the Mormon Battalion. They marched through what is now southern Arizona in 1846 on the way to California as part of the Mexican-American War. They encountered wild cattle bulls and killed several of them in defense. They passed through Tucson (then a town of 400—500 inhabitants) causing an attachment of Mexican Forces to flee. They camped at the mouth of the Gila River before entering California.
Northern Arizona settlementsThe next time Latter-day Saints entered the area was in 1858 and 1859, when Jacob Hamblin and his companions camped at Pipe Spring in the northwestern part of present-day Arizona. They did this while journeying to and from their missions among the Moqui (Hopi) Indians east of the Colorado River.
During the 1860s and 1870s, LDS parties explored portions of the area searching for possible settlement sites. Also during this period, isolated ranches and small Mormon settlements were established at Short Creek (now Colorado City), Pipe Spring, Beaver Dams (now Littlefield), and Lee's Ferry, all in the area between the Utah border and the Grand Canyon known as the Arizona Strip.
The first effort at large-scale LDS colonization came in March 1873 when a group of Latter-day Saints was sent from Utah to the Little Colorado River drainage under the direction of Horton D. Height. The colonizers turned back, discouraged by the poor prospects, but a few returned the following year and began farming among the Native Americans at Moencopi. Local hostilities forced the colonists to leave again after a month. A year later, James S. Brown led another small colonizing group that successfully settled at Moencopi, then began exploring the surrounding area. Following these explorations, a large group of settlers, led by Lot Smith, arrived in the spring of 1876 and established four settlements on the Little Colorado, which they called Ballenger’s Camp (later renamed Brigham City), Sunset, Obed and Allen City (later renamed St. Joseph, and then Joseph City).[SUP][2][/SUP]
Mormon Lake
Wilford, Arizona
Heber-Overgaard, Arizona
Eastern Arizona settlementsWoodruff, Arizona
Snowflake, Arizona
Taylor, Arizona
St. Johns, Arizona
Central and southern Arizona settlements
The former Maricopa Stake Tabernacle (1896-1967), in Mesa


Daniel W. Jones was commissioned by Brigham Young to start a Mormon colony within the Salt River Valley of the Arizona Territory. The settlement party arrived at what would become Lehi, Arizona in March 1877. Jones' invitation to local Native Americans to live with them became a point of controversy, and half of the initial colony left, moving on to found St. David, Arizona.[SUP][3][/SUP] In February 1878 the First Mesa Company arrived in Lehi. Rather than accepting an invitation to settle at Jones' settlement, they moved to the top of the mesa, and founded Mesa, Arizona. They dug irrigation canals, incorporating the original Hohokam canals in some places, and within a couple of months water was flowing through them.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Pima was founded in 1879 by Mormon settlers relocating from Forrest Dale, after that location was declared to be on tribal land. Originally named Smithville, it was unlike other Mormon settlements of the era, not being planned by the leaders of the church.[SUP][5][/SUP] Joseph K. Rogers was the first branch president at Pima, being appointed to this office before the settlers arrived. The branch was organized into a ward in 1880. In 1930 the total population of Pima was 980, 666 of whom were LDS, and a total of 1,260 people resided within the Pima ward boundaries.[SUP][6][/SUP]
 

--------From a Jim Hatt post on that other site. A reprint of the December 1983 Barry Storm article in Desert Magazine;..."Clark tried to find the source of the gold which he had seen with his own eyes; then both he and his son searched, still unsuccessfully. They did considerable placering in LaBarge canyon with small success, entirely overlooking the fact that it is really a tributary of Tortilla creek, coming into the latter near its mouth." (of interest to Hal?)"To this day Tortilla creek is still unrecognized as the true Canon Fresco. Here, Russel Perkins of Tortilla Flat reported finding huge ash piles and other remains of an obviously large encampment, and Clark's son, Carl, stumbled upon a piece of hexagon drill steel sharpened Spanish-style in the form of a pointed, four edged spearhead instead of the chisel bit style used by American miners."... (of interest to Bill Riley?)
Years ago I stumbled upon huge ash piles while hiking out in the rolling hills of the Galiuro Mountains near Tucson. At the time I was attempting to utilize my skills at reading Treasure and Mining signs left by the early inhabitants of the area. The Area in question had a rich history of gold mining and old western style shoot outs.
The Power family composed of "Old Man" Jeff, the father, his wife, Martha, three sons; Charles, John, and Tom, and one daughter; Ola May. They were originally from Texas, but moved to Arizona Territory in 1909 and homesteaded in lower Rattlesnake Canyon, south of Klondyke. Two years later, Charles bought a nearby goat ranch, which is now known as Power's Garden, and the family moved there. After improving the ranch by adding more rooms to the cabin, the Powers began importing cattle. Life was not easy though; the Powers family lived "in what was still a rough and occasionally violent frontier," so the brothers often had to find work at the neighboring ranches or mines.[1][3]In 1915, Martha Power was killed in a horse and buggy accident and by 1917 the cattle ranch had been sold and Charles had moved away to New Mexico. Later that year, Mr. Power purchased Perry Tucker's one-quarter interest in the Abandoned Claims, an old gold mine in nearby Keilberg Canyon, which is now known as Power's Mine. Hard workers, the Power family and a friend named Tom Sisson built a twenty-five mile wagon road "through some of the roughest country imaginable" to their mine. The road ran from the Haby Ranch, several miles north of Klondyke on Aravaipa Creek, south for about twelve miles before dropping down Power's Hill into Rattlesnake Canyon, then up the canyon to the Abandoned Claims at Keilberg Canyon. Sisson and the Powers built a cabin to live in and, when they were in control of three-quarters of the property, they purchased a second-hand stamp mill.[1][3][4]According to a county coroner, on December 6, 1917, Ola May Power "came to her death from an unknown cause." Since then there has been much speculation about her death, but it remains an unsolved mystery. Soon after Ola's death, the Powers moved to a cabin located on a hill overlooking the entrance to their mine. By this time the United States had entered World War I and a draft had been instituted. All able bodied men were obliged to register, but, according to the Power brothers, when they attempted to do so, the recruiter said that they were not needed. To the contrary, the United States Forest Service history of the area says that Mr. Power convinced his sons to dodge the draft.[1]John and his brother assumed they had nothing to worry about, but after they went home the police were informed of the alleged draft evasion. In mid-January 1918, just after completing preparations to begin extracting ore from their mine, the Graham County sheriff, Robert Frank McBride, sent a man named Jay Murdock to deliver a message to the Powers. In the message, Sheriff McBride explained the situation and requested that the boys surrender peaceably. However, Mr. Power must have assumed that the sheriff would not enforce the law so his sons remained at home with him.[1]Shootout[edit] A United States Marshals wanted poster for Tom Sisson and the Power brothers.After the Power brothers failed to arrive in Klondyke, Sheriff McBride assembled a posse consisting of himself, Deputy Marshal Frank Haynes, and two sheriff's deputies; Martin Kempton and T. K. "Kane" Wooten. Marshal Haynes carried arrest warrants for John and Tom Power and Sheriff McBride had warrants for Mr. Power and Tom Sisson, who were wanted for questioning in connection with Ola May's death. On February 9, 1918, the posse drove from Klondyke to the Upchurch Ranch, where they borrowed horses and saddles for the journey south to Power's Cabin.[1]The posse arrived at the cabin later that night, but they did not attempt to make an arrest immediately. Instead they took up positions surrounding the cabin and waited until morning. Just before dawn, on February 10, Mr. Power woke up and built a fire in the fireplace. A few moments later, John made a fire in their wood-burning stove. Then the horses outside started making noise, which in turn made the dog start barking. Mr. Power knew something wasn't right so he grabbed his rifle and went to the front door, which faced east.[1]From here there are two different versions of the shootout; the Power brothers' and that of Deputy Haynes, the sole surviving member of the posse. According to Haynes, who made a statement a few days after the shootout, as soon as Mr. Power stepped outside, Deputy Wooten shouted: "Throw up your hands! Throw up your hands!," but someone inside the cabin, either John or Tom, started shooting through the doorway. Haynes then drew his weapon and fired two shots through the door and one through a window as he and McBride ran to take cover behind the northern wall of the cabin. Wooten and Kempton also started shooting, but the latter was shot dead shortly thereafter either by Mr. Power or from somebody inside. Wooten mortally wounded Mr. Power with a bullet to the chest and immediately afterward he fired at Tom Power, who was looking out of a window. Pieces of glass struck Tom on the left side of his face, but he managed to take aim at Wooten, who was trying to get away, and kill him with a single shot to the back.[1]Meanwhile, Sheriff McBride and Deputy Haynes were "hugging" the northeastern corner of the cabin. At some point, Haynes suggested that he go check the back side of the cabin and when he returned he found McBride dead. According to Haynes, empty bullet casings indicated that Tom Sisson had "poked his rifle through a crack in the logs and put three bullets into the sheriff." Haynes then retreated to where the posse had left their horses and after mounting up he rode to Klondyke as fast as he could.[1]The shootout lasted only a few minutes and about twenty-five shots were fired. Sheriff McBride, Deputy Kempton, and Deputy Wooten were dead and both of the Power brothers were wounded; Tom was struck in the face by glass and John received splinters in the face after a bullet hit the doorjamb he was lying next to. Mr. Power died later that night.[1]Aftermath[edit]As soon as the fighting was over, Tom Sisson and the Power brothers carried Mr. Power inside and made him comfortable. They then took their weapons and the horses that were left by the posse and started riding south towards the town of Redington. From there they headed east before crossing the international border with Mexico at a point south of Hachita, New Mexico.[1]Several posses were assembled to search for the fugitives, but Sisson and the Power brothers managed to evade them all. However, the United States Cavalry was soon on the trail and they managed to capture their prey on March 8, 1918, apparently without resistance.[1]All three were found guilty of first-degree murder and sent to the prison at Florence. Sisson died in custody at the age of eighty-six, but the Power brothers endured and were released in 1960. Nine years later, Governor Jack Richard Williams pardoned them.[1]Tom Power died in San Francisco, California in September 1970 and John lived around Aravaipa Canyon until 1976. The Power family never got a chance to ship any ore from their mine and it was eventually purchased by the Consolidated Galiuro Gold Mines Inc. in the early 1930s. Unfortunately for them, the Galiuros proved to be a poor area for gold mining; historically, the district yielded only 163 ounces of gold.[1]In 1975, the Powers' Cabin was placed on the National Register of Historic Places and restored by the United States Forest Service.[1][4]"Old Man" Jeff Power is buried with his sons, his wife, and his daughter at the Klondyke Cemetery. Mr. Power's grave says that he was "Shot down with his hands up in his own door."[4]
 

That breathes new air on an old subject. Queen Creek a haven for the LDS?

The first house I bought in Tucson was in an old Mormon town called Binghampton that was annexed by Tucson decades earlier. I researched it back then because I was interested in when the old house I owned was built. I realize now the influence the Mormons had on the early history of AZ. Those Mormons came through Tucson and ran off an attachment of Mexican Soldiers that were still occupying Tucson during the war with Mexico.

Bill,

Jones wrote a book about his life. It can be found here:

FORTY YEARS AMONG THE INDIANS - A True Yet Thrilling Narrative of the Author's Experiences Among the Natives by Jones, Daniel W.: Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, UT Hardcover - Confetti Antiques & Books

Another good book on the subject is, "Mormon Settlement In Arizona" by James McClintock.

It can be found here:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=9780404084394&cm_sp=mbc-_-9780404084394-_-all

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo
 

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Went into the Supes only a couple times, but did meet a guy "older than me" he was walking along beating 2 sticks together as he walked. What's the sticks for I asked?
"To keep the bears away". He also had a 44 mag in case one was deaf. LOL
 

Near UpChurch Ranch is where I found the ash piles. Also close to the only Sombrero Butte in AZ. It's all near an old Mission, actually, I think it may be an old Presidio along the San Pedro River or as we say in Arizona "A dusty stream with a rest stop and coffee". Along the route up the San Pedro River there were many Rancheria's and Vista's between the Mission Churches. Kino's maps depict the many Indian Villages of friendly Pima's and other tribes they used for holding off the Apache while they mined Gold. I saw one of those small hand Arrastra's that Charles "Chuck" Kenworthy has in his book.

At the time I had just received the book and hadn't read it. I sat down in one of those carved hand Arrastra's for a break and played with the golf ball size hole carved into it (As Chuck explained it in his book) and a small carved bench made in the solid rock Hand Arrastra. I read the book later and saw the importance of the hand arrastra as it would be next to a storage room and with in a very short distance would be the high grade gold mine. I've never made it back there to see it again. I had the entire trip mapped on a garmin GPS. About two months later I was getting ready for a trip back up there to look at the Arrastra when I lost the Garmin GPS while hiking and never found it again. Needless to say I never went back as it was a hard hike and horrible terrain so vast it would take me months if not years to find that Arrastra again.

It was just as Chuck had described in one of his books. Along a small side tributary out of the main wash and hidden fairly well. I remember I sat down and had lunch in it not knowing the importance of the find I was just curious as to it's construction. I admired the work that went into the soild rock bowl with a rock carved seat and a collection hole for cobbing the high grade ore.

I do remember it was in the side of a very wide flat wash. I had to hike up and down many ridges to get there so I was exhausted by the time I got to the location of the GPS waypoint I had marked on my Garmin. I believe now I was correct about the direction I read from the gold mine signs I found. I just had the distance wrong as it was halfway there where I found the Arrastra. About a mile from the rock maps. It doesn't sound like a long way, but, I had to scale a mountain and circle the peak where I found the enormous ash piles then climb back down and go along a straight line towards the way point I calculated on the 7.5 minute map of Keilberg Canyon Topo Quadrangle.

It was also in the middle of summer when I went so it was extremely hot and dangerous. The road up there is closed off and no where to park on the one lane jeep trail. I went there the first time with Charlie Harris from Phoenix (Rocha). That's the starting point. It's also where I sat my new Whites metal detector down for a break, wondered away for a look at something, and never found it again.
 

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Where was the Skeleton Cave the Apache Indians were massacred in? Nice photo's Hal.

Bill,

The cave is a protected site and is considered "sacred" by the Yavapai. Although it's location is no real secret, the Forest Service does not give out its location. I, as well as many others, have a topographic map with its location marked.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo
 

Bill I had one of those hand arrastres. I had it in the back of my camper and lost it going up to the Quintera mine - a long steep uphill climb, alongside of an arroyo.. It simply slid out of the back of my camper, taking the door with it into the parallel arroyo. I never could find it again. It was a fine piece of work, representeing considerable work by someone. I spent some time lokiing for it, but alas the arroyo had too many similar stones in it.

It was a single large stone, about one meter in dia,with a working pit of approx. some 700 CM,
cut out of a Granite boulder with a drag stone in it The drag stone had a hole for inserting a wooden hand hold. They relied upon being wet al of the time to lock it into place.


I had always assumed it was for a small productive, rich vein. or for asaying purposes.
 

I'm sure this is old news to most here, but is kind of connected to that long conversation we had earlier about the Tortilla Flat crucifix. That string got into different types of possible metal in it's construction, and from there to the ancient ores of gold in combination with other metals.

There is this, from the 'sacred' Wiki site;

Dore or Dory;

"A doré (or dory) bar is a semi-pure alloy of gold and silver, usually created at the site of a mine. It is then transported to a refinery for further purification."
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Apparently the first stage of smelting the crushed ore down to smaller transportable bars? It does contain other metals including possibly silver or copper and others, intended to be later refined further to yield higher gold concentrations.

Maybe the crucifix was cast from an unrefined dory bar?:dontknow:
 

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Went into the Supes only a couple times, but did meet a guy "older than me" he was walking along beating 2 sticks together as he walked. What's the sticks for I asked?
"To keep the bears away". He also had a 44 mag in case one was deaf. LOL

Had to be a sourdough - you learn to keep making noise in the North country to avoid becoming bear droppings or tangling with a skittish moose. It gets to be a habit but won't help with the rattlers as all are deaf.

Please do continue; :thumbsup:

:coffee2: :coffee: :coffee2:
 

I'm sure this is old news to most here, but is kind of connected to that long conversation we had earlier about the Tortilla Flat crucifix. That string got into different types of possible metal in it's construction, and from there to the ancient ores of gold in combination with other metals.

There is this, from the 'sacred' Wiki site;

Dore or Dory;

"A doré (or dory) bar is a semi-pure alloy of gold and silver, usually created at the site of a mine. It is then transported to a refinery for further purification."
----------

Apparently the first stage of smelting the crushed ore down to smaller transportable bars? It does contain other metals including possibly silver or copper and others, intended to be later refined further to yield higher gold concentrations.

Maybe the crucifix was cast from an unrefined dory bar?:dontknow:

Tumbaga or dore was mentioned earlier in the topic as well. It's possible I think, with a dore alloy consisting of copper, iron, and some gold being more likely than the gold/copper mix of a tumbaga alloy. The greenish patina of the original pre-fire bar photo could have been due to the copper content, while the "rusty" coloring of Hal's more recent photos seem to indicate an Iron component. The color visible at the bottom of the "feet", where the casting has been "rubbed" has the reddish-gold hue of a copper/ gold, brass or bronze composition. I wonder what Jack, from the "Legends" series, would say about this ?
 

An excellent article. Joe. Tends to reiforce my statement for the origal reason for the Indian wars.

Generally to accomplish genecide - cultural, if not outright extermination. Same game worldwide for thousands of years.
 

Had to be a sourdough - you learn to keep making noise in the North country to avoid becoming bear droppings or tangling with a skittish moose. It gets to be a habit but won't help with the rattlers as all are deaf.

Please do continue; :thumbsup:

:coffee2: :coffee: :coffee2:

Hey Roy, good to have you back. Was wondering where you went.
 

Generally to accomplish genecide - cultural, if not outright extermination. Same game worldwide for thousands of years.

Steve,

Really quite simple. It was the way of the world.....at that time. The Native Americans were simply in the way and a bit of a nuisance. It was not something that was exclusively White European in character. All people expanded their territory for varying reasons. Food, warmer climate, more shade.......you name it. In the process, weaker tribes/people were pushed out of their homes, killed or enslaved. Not pretty, but it's how things worked.

Because of their lifestyle, small family groups of hunter gatherers, the Apache were constantly being evicted by stronger tribes until they settled where fewer tribes coveted their lands. I could, of course, be wrong.:dontknow:

Take care,

Joe
 

Hello Hal,

A lot of good work and if I subscribed to a different interpretation yours would be at the top of my list.

Having said that I offered Mr. Hardaker`s solution as an alternative explanation for the creation of the artifacts. What is important to me in his effort is that it points to the fact the artifacts are not a modern creation made by the discoverers themselves and that the discovery site itself points to the artifacts being there for some time. As a point if folks would simply look at the specifics of the discovery of artifact 14, I believe, it becomes clear that the idea the artifacts were planted is simply nuts. i will research the specfic artifact a bit later, I could be wrong on 14, but it was one of the earlier discoveries.

While folks might dispute exactly when they were created and by who, folks will acknowledge they do communicate something. Where most folks falter is understanding the audience of the artifacts was simply a few survivors. Also I might add they fail to understand the importance of the symbol OL which appears repeatedly. In essence the artifacts are the proverbial bottle thrown into the ocean of time that was carried by the survivors of the holocaust until the artifacts were purposely left behind.

What happened after the discovery was a circus. A very good one I might add. The 20's and 30's were a period of difficulty for a lot of folks and well it doesn`t matter. Let`s just say things were a lot cheaper then. Including folks who were busily dis-crediting the discovery.:laughing7: Want to have a little fun research how many records simply went up in smoke after the fact.

When it comes to folks in academia I always value their input, particularly if they have visited Oz. Such a visit was chronicled.

Anyway good luck in your efforts and just for the record most of the descendants of the people who participated in the great war of northern aggression fought for the south. Guess we just naturally support the losing side.:icon_scratch:


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Just came across this. Have no idea if this is true or not but is interesting. Someone might take a look.


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Hello Hal,

Our people were far more interested in the Fish Creek area. That includes Coronado Mesa, Horse Mesa, Fish Creek Canyon and a system of trails that leads one across the range north and south with particular importance being the area around Klondike Springs.

The whole area you are looking out was for the lack of a better word a transportation hub for the ancients and our people. Ships plied the Salt River a great deal further east and west, and eventually to the Pacific. Also there was a significant amount of activity on The Colorado River with a small town that was described by a local in the work,"Arizona in the 50`s".

Our people and others did have an encampment on the north side of the Salt River at Fish Creek Canyon. I would imagine a dig would reveal some things that have been missed. Of interest is a ship building site north of the Salt River that created several vessels before the locals burned it to the ground. Surprised something has not been found there. Perhaps things were and simply not understood.

If one is interested in taking the ancient flow patterns of the Salt and comparing it to one of the Trail Maps an interesting picture becomes clear.

As far as names go. I will just stick with Oz for now. Circlestone had a name with our people that roughly translates to mean the circle of life. Since the site shows one the way back to well it doesn't matter.

I would say there are things in the approximate area of Horse Mesa under the Salt River that are quite important.


Starman
 

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