The Heart

[releventchair]

I looked there as soon as I saw it was gone, but I found nothing at all - every date they said they had a snapshot of it gave an error when I tried to open them and said it was all missing. Maybe I was looking in the wrong area?

Lost Dutchman Mine: Part 3 - DesertUSA

The Lost Dutchman Mine map is of a different type of stone than maps 1, 2 and 3. The heart map is a very brittle, dull red colored stone. It is speculated that the stone comes from the point of interest designated at the end of the trail.

www.desertusa.com

 

[cuzimloony]

Lost Dutchman Mine: Part 3 - DesertUSA

The Lost Dutchman Mine map is of a different type of stone than maps 1, 2 and 3. The heart map is a very brittle, dull red colored stone. It is speculated that the stone comes from the point of interest designated at the end of the trail.

www.desertusa.com

Can you find the heart mountain threads? I couldn't...

 

[Cubfan64]

Same here.
Archive.org is great, but, it only saves "front facing" websites. It has a hard time trolling the interiors of a forum, especially one with many threads that have many pages.....
Stick around though, some modern and high-def pictures and video (without giving away the location) of this place will be up here and on my youtube channel sometime soon.......

I have one last ditch effort, but I won't know anything until later this year. Fingers are crossed that there will be some of it still available.

 

[Cubfan64]

Lost Dutchman Mine: Part 3 - DesertUSA

The Lost Dutchman Mine map is of a different type of stone than maps 1, 2 and 3. The heart map is a very brittle, dull red colored stone. It is speculated that the stone comes from the point of interest designated at the end of the trail.

www.desertusa.com

Yeah, that stuff is there, but I'm looking for the real forum posts - the conversations, stories, facts, fables, exploits, etc... that used to exist much like the topics here on TNet.

 

[releventchair]

Yeah, that stuff is there, but I'm looking for the real forum posts - the conversations, stories, facts, fables, exploits, etc... that used to exist much like the topics here on TNet.

That's been toast /plug pulled a while.
long enough I don't remember posting anything after Ryan left.

 

[sgtfda]

Cool!

 

[cuzimloony]

Looking through my pics......
Right next to that elephant rock/horse-space/illuminati/alien symbol that I posted above, on the same ridgeline, is the alien who carved it all.....

 

[cuzimloony]

Elephant/Illuminati on the left. Alien on the right Fun!

 

[Cubfan64]

That's been toast /plug pulled a while.
long enough I don't remember posting anything after Ryan left.

I didn't know Ryan ever even posted anywhere other than TNet. As far as the DesertUSA forums, I don't think they've been gone more than 5 or so months. I have a good lead on how to recover at least some of it, but it won't happen until I can visit in person this fall sometime.

What irritates me most is not even getting the courtesy of a response to my emails and posts. I was a moderator for awhile on one of the forum categories for a few years and had numerous good conversations with the DUSA folks, but now they can't even be bothered to respond to a simple question. Sorta pisses me off.

 

[sgtfda]

Let's liven tnet up a bit......
On the same trail as The Head behind Miner's Needle, a bit deeper in to the mountains, is The Heart. After making this video, I think this may be 100% natural, BUT I spent 2 days and a night there getting footage so, I had to do something with it Hopefully, it's something you guys/gals will enjoy. Happy early Valentines Day!

Do not drink any water found in the Superstitions unless you have it tested for heavy metals!

 

[releventchair]

I didn't know Ryan ever even posted anywhere other than TNet. As far as the DesertUSA forums, I don't think they've been gone more than 5 or so months. I have a good lead on how to recover at least some of it, but it won't happen until I can visit in person this fall sometime.

What irritates me most is not even getting the courtesy of a response to my emails and posts. I was a moderator for awhile on one of the forum categories for a few years and had numerous good conversations with the DUSA folks, but now they can't even be bothered to respond to a simple question. Sorta pisses me off.

Hard enough to back track some deleted stuff as forums were de- welcoming or allowing tracks to be erased.
Add forum ownership or administration changes and some forums getting dropped...

You've been on the L.D.M. forum site and can still find some stuff.
A couple references to Ryan but I don't know if he actually posted on it.
Same layout color and type. That or he posted on L.D.M.G.M. and I thought it was Desert USA. But Desert USA still seems right.
Someone will correct me if I get too far off.

Re: Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps​

Post by Joe Ribaudo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:49 am

Mike McChesney wrote:Roy,

The reason I posted that was because Joe (and others) are trying to say that Travis T INTENTIONALLY made the Stone Maps to sell along with his manuscript.

Also Roy, Janie might have been telling me an outright lie or she may have told Garry and Larry outright lies, but she lied to either them or me. No two ways around it.

Mike

[Mike,

I think this quote from Ryan sheds new light on the legends surrounding the Stone Maps, etc.

"Any sub topics of Latin Hearts & Crosses are completely moot for me. Travis carved the maps. The people who found those items wanted to attach themselves to a legend and placed the Latin Heart at the spot where legend says the other maps were found. Legend is wrong in the discovery location, so that makes the Latin Heart as nothing more than an attachment to a false legend.....and when the going got rough for the "finders", they threw a temper tantrum and destroyed what they found."

Too much phony evidence for me. Glad I'm out of it, but still don't regret anything.

Take care,

Joe]

https://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=105952&hilit=Peralta+stones#p105952

Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps - Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Lost Dutchman Goldmine,Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps,The Lost Dutchman Gold Mine Prospecting Forum,Discuss information about the Lost Dutchman Mine,

www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com

 

[cuzimloony]

Do not drink any water found in the Superstitions unless you have it tested for heavy metals!

Oh boy...... that might explain it!
Lol
Thank you for that advice. It will be heeded....and thankfully it was only 2 liters.....

 

[sgtfda]

Oh boy...... that might explain it!
Lol
Thank you for that advice. It will be heeded....and thankfully it was only 2 liters.....

I know more that one who contaminated themselves. Some well known. Many areas in Arizona have that issue. Over time water dissolves that crap out of the mineralized rocks. Many suffer from heavy metal poisoning and don't know it. Tree just died from it. If you ever stumble upon a pile of old sardine cans look for a old mine nearby. The old time miners knew the fish oil in sardines removed some heavy metals from the body. A friend from the Pa mountains told me to look for live bugs in the water at a spring before drinking. No bugs don't drink. Rattle snakes hang near water! All life lessons. Fresh heavy rain water is better than water in setting in pools for God knows how long concentrating the heavy metals.

 

[coazon de oro]

Hard enough to back track some deleted stuff as forums were de- welcoming or allowing tracks to be erased.
Add forum ownership or administration changes and some forums getting dropped...

You've been on the L.D.M. forum site and can still find some stuff.
A couple references to Ryan but I don't know if he actually posted on it.
Same layout color and type. That or he posted on L.D.M.G.M. and I thought it was Desert USA. But Desert USA still seems right.
Someone will correct me if I get too far off.

Re: Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps​

Post by Joe Ribaudo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:49 am


[Mike,

I think this quote from Ryan sheds new light on the legends surrounding the Stone Maps, etc.

"Any sub topics of Latin Hearts & Crosses are completely moot for me. Travis carved the maps. The people who found those items wanted to attach themselves to a legend and placed the Latin Heart at the spot where legend says the other maps were found. Legend is wrong in the discovery location, so that makes the Latin Heart as nothing more than an attachment to a false legend.....and when the going got rough for the "finders", they threw a temper tantrum and destroyed what they found."

Too much phony evidence for me. Glad I'm out of it, but still don't regret anything.

Take care,

Joe]

https://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=105952&hilit=Peralta+stones#p105952

Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps - Lost Dutchman Goldmine

Lost Dutchman Goldmine,Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps,The Lost Dutchman Gold Mine Prospecting Forum,Discuss information about the Lost Dutchman Mine,

www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.com

Howdy releventchair,

Janie Tumlinson did not lie to Mike, her dad was not involved in any hoax, he found the PSM's like he said he did. I don't know exactly what she told Ryan or Garry. If she told them that she saw her dad carving on a stone, it was the Spanish Galleon/Treasure Chest stone that he did carve copying the letters from the PSM's.

Travis did not carve the PSM's, the stones speak for themselves. There are many lies in their story, but only one (may) have come from Travis. It is the one where (it is said) that he carved the zeros on the heart stone. It may have been someone else who made that claim, but the stones speak for themselves. When Travis found the trail map stones, and the heart stone, the heart stone was already glued together. This can be seen on the bumper photo taken right after he had them washed up. In closeup photos of the heart stone, that dark glue is in the grooves of the zeros where the crack was mended. So no, he did not carve those zeros, the stones speak for themselves.
Even the late Tom K. was lied too, he was vulnerable, and would repeat those lies not knowing they had lied to him. One was where the PSM's were found. They were found close to the rest area on highway 60 close to Queen Creek, just as Travis said. The late Wayne Spencer made a map of the holes that he found in that area. Cubfan later went and got gps readings on all those holes. The hole labeled as #5, is the actual hole where the PSM's came out of. The stones speak for themselves. They were made out of three different stone materials found in the area that they represent, not from Texas. If Sarge could really tell where anyone's search area is just by looking at the stones they collect, he would have found where they lead to already.

 

[sgtfda]

Howdy releventchair,

Janie Tumlinson did not lie to Mike, her dad was not involved in any hoax, he found the PSM's like he said he did. I don't know exactly what she told Ryan or Garry. If she told them that she saw her dad carving on a stone, it was the Spanish Galleon/Treasure Chest stone that he did carve copying the letters from the PSM's.

Travis did not carve the PSM's, the stones speak for themselves. There are many lies in their story, but only one (may) have come from Travis. It is the one where (it is said) that he carved the zeros on the heart stone. It may have been someone else who made that claim, but the stones speak for themselves. When Travis found the trail map stones, and the heart stone, the heart stone was already glued together. This can be seen on the bumper photo taken right after he had them washed up. In closeup photos of the heart stone, that dark glue is in the grooves of the zeros where the crack was mended. So no, he did not carve those zeros, the stones speak for themselves.
Even the late Tom K. was lied too, he was vulnerable, and would repeat those lies not knowing they had lied to him. One was where the PSM's were found. They were found close to the rest area on highway 60 close to Queen Creek, just as Travis said. The late Wayne Spencer made a map of the holes that he found in that area. Cubfan later went and got gps readings on all those holes. The hole labeled as #5, is the actual hole where the PSM's came out of. The stones speak for themselves. They were made out of three different stone materials found in the area that they represent, not from Texas. If Sarge could really tell where anyone's search area is just by looking at the stones they collect, he would have found where they lead to already.

Every stoner looks to the stone maps when they should be looking at Peg Legs map. Travis, Uncle Phil and Garman found 3 million in cobbled gold at Bious Butte stashed. The Mullen brothers found out later and dug their treasure hole on the Butte later looking for more. So at this point the gold is gone. Time to move on.

 

[releventchair]

Howdy releventchair,

Janie Tumlinson did not lie to Mike, her dad was not involved in any hoax, he found the PSM's like he said he did. I don't know exactly what she told Ryan or Garry. If she told them that she saw her dad carving on a stone, it was the Spanish Galleon/Treasure Chest stone that he did carve copying the letters from the PSM's.

Travis did not carve the PSM's, the stones speak for themselves. There are many lies in their story, but only one (may) have come from Travis. It is the one where (it is said) that he carved the zeros on the heart stone. It may have been someone else who made that claim, but the stones speak for themselves. When Travis found the trail map stones, and the heart stone, the heart stone was already glued together. This can be seen on the bumper photo taken right after he had them washed up. In closeup photos of the heart stone, that dark glue is in the grooves of the zeros where the crack was mended. So no, he did not carve those zeros, the stones speak for themselves.
Even the late Tom K. was lied too, he was vulnerable, and would repeat those lies not knowing they had lied to him. One was where the PSM's were found. They were found close to the rest area on highway 60 close to Queen Creek, just as Travis said. The late Wayne Spencer made a map of the holes that he found in that area. Cubfan later went and got gps readings on all those holes. The hole labeled as #5, is the actual hole where the PSM's came out of. The stones speak for themselves. They were made out of three different stone materials found in the area that they represent, not from Texas. If Sarge could really tell where anyone's search area is just by looking at the stones they collect, he would have found where they lead to already.

coazon de oro!
Here's hoping you and yours are well. And any livestock too.

i didn't mean to steer on stones faith. Rather; looking at potential archives of former related posts elsewhere. And picked the heart topic to not wander too far off thread topic. Which I usually do anyways.

I enjoyed Ryan's brief chase. Much of that due to his green perspective. While all the while not liking the media aspect behind it. But he did investigate a bit. Interviews were interesting.
Still , his boots weren't Gila critter scarred before he set out and the trail not familier. for me a more polished later version wouldn't be the same. And given certain temperament(s) it would have to be different wouldn't it. (Not a question.)

I agree with the treasure chest stone and the chimney being Travis's work.
Thanks to the clarity provided by others including those actually familier with the chimney there seems no deliberate misleading assigned them for me. Hey it could change. But I've not pursued much since the end of Ryan's brief chase either. Something about Travis's kin not wearing onerous gold chains that drag in the dust while doing chores maybe.

Stones whupped my butt early on as you likely recall. Photos of them especially.
After attention to them online I was convinced plenty of others had far better odds of making any sense of them. I will choose the horse map as a favorite for me. For the horse is a horse of course (!) But for the Jesuits in my region elsewhere' s historic (they were Jesuits) tie that predate the Peraltas. No I'm not saying that is a Jesuit. Or a Jesuit hat. (On the priest not the horse.) It appears an old Christian hat but we've been down that road here on T-net before. (Delightfully I'm sure.)
Rather the Priest side of the horse stone map is a reminder (to only me?) of inquisition and Taxco varied silver items and the ghost of Dona (not the same Dona I so nervously dated long ago) not so unlike the Priest side with it's a sprinkling of (possible Taxco sourced or portrayed) objects surround her and her hat. Add some other solid Christian symbols and what really is the overall reference?

The ends of some of those old trails....Made the risks in the middle of them almost not as bad. Depending on a given particular trip I suppose.
I might have had the hubs on my cart warmer than usual leaving town anyways.

Taxco - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cuzimloony]

I know more that one who contaminated themselves. Some well known. Many areas in Arizona have that issue. Over time water dissolves that crap out of the mineralized rocks. Many suffer from heavy metal poisoning and don't know it. Tree just died from it. If you ever stumble upon a pile of old sardine cans look for a old mine nearby. The old time miners knew the fish oil in sardines removed some heavy metals from the body. A friend from the Pa mountains told me to look for live bugs in the water at a spring before drinking. No bugs don't drink. Rattle snakes hang near water! All life lessons. Fresh heavy rain water is better than water in setting in pools for God knows how long concentrating the heavy metals.

Whisky Spring wouldnt be one of those places to stay away from the water, would it? Errrrrrr
Asking for a friend.....

Live bugs in water: great tip. PA guys are the smartest around, well, some of em. Myself excluded, since I drank the Whisky Springs water......filtered of course, but that does nothing for heavy metals.

Rattle snakes near water. Makes sense. Saw a slithering friend (not sure what type it moved so fast) over the weekend out by that water collection area off Milk Ranch Rd....near water like you said. You were the one who taught me to LOOK UP for rattlesnakes in the trees as well....

Great tips Frank. Thank you!! ....and, it's good to hear from you I hope you're doing well!!!

 

[cuzimloony]

Howdy releventchair,

Janie Tumlinson did not lie to Mike, her dad was not involved in any hoax, he found the PSM's like he said he did. I don't know exactly what she told Ryan or Garry. If she told them that she saw her dad carving on a stone, it was the Spanish Galleon/Treasure Chest stone that he did carve copying the letters from the PSM's.

Travis did not carve the PSM's, the stones speak for themselves. There are many lies in their story, but only one (may) have come from Travis. It is the one where (it is said) that he carved the zeros on the heart stone. It may have been someone else who made that claim, but the stones speak for themselves. When Travis found the trail map stones, and the heart stone, the heart stone was already glued together. This can be seen on the bumper photo taken right after he had them washed up. In closeup photos of the heart stone, that dark glue is in the grooves of the zeros where the crack was mended. So no, he did not carve those zeros, the stones speak for themselves.
Even the late Tom K. was lied too, he was vulnerable, and would repeat those lies not knowing they had lied to him. One was where the PSM's were found. They were found close to the rest area on highway 60 close to Queen Creek, just as Travis said. The late Wayne Spencer made a map of the holes that he found in that area. Cubfan later went and got gps readings on all those holes. The hole labeled as #5, is the actual hole where the PSM's came out of. The stones speak for themselves. They were made out of three different stone materials found in the area that they represent, not from Texas. If Sarge could really tell where anyone's search area is just by looking at the stones they collect, he would have found where they lead to already.

Im not sure how we got to the stone maps.....BUT, I have an anecdote.

We speak Spanish primarily in my house. My wife's Spanish is better than her English, and my Spanish is perfect, so..... My daughters are raised bi-lingual since they have 2 sides of the family that speak 2 different languages. (Side note.... all European languages are beautiful in their own way...)
But, I noticed the other day my 2 year old cannot say caballo. It doesn't come out right yet.
She says cobollo, naturally. So.....maybe that "misspelling" is more common than we think.
That is all.......

 

[cuzimloony]

Every stoner looks to the stone maps when they should be looking at Peg Legs map. Travis, Uncle Phil and Garman found 3 million in cobbled gold at Bious Butte stashed. The Mullen brothers found out later and dug their treasure hole on the Butte later looking for more. So at this point the gold is gone. Time to move on.

Now that you're here I have a question for a long time local.....
I'm wondering if you might know how Hewitt canyon, ranch, road, station, etc got it's name? Neither myself, nor the deputy recording clerk for Pinal County, Erica Bogar, can find anything. I know the obvious "it was named for a guy named Hewitt" makes the most sense.....but he himself is very elusive. (Edit: This has been concluded. I found Hewitt....I think.)

Now that Im asking, Im also wondering how Queen Creek, Queen box, Queen Valley, Silver King mine, Silver Queen mine, King's Crown peak, etc may have come into their names.......

If you have any insight and care to share, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[coazon de oro]

Every stoner looks to the stone maps when they should be looking at Peg Legs map. Travis, Uncle Phil and Garman found 3 million in cobbled gold at Bious Butte stashed. The Mullen brothers found out later and dug their treasure hole on the Butte later looking for more. So at this point the gold is gone. Time to move on.

Howdy sgtfda,
You could have thrown in the tooth fairy to make it more creditable, but if you really believe all that, tell me this. What were you doing on film looking into holes where the PSM's may have come out of, and showing a rock that you claimed to match them?