The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

[Oak Island Sage]

You are wrong as usual. The "Deadman's Island" map was an embellishment created in 1946 by H. P. Hood and Sons Dairy. The original map in the possession of Edward Rowe Snow (see below) was not even named Deadman's Island and did not have the signature at bottom near coast line. You failed to do basic research. Your book only contains the embellished map made in 1946 (and not the original map by Snow).

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The William Kidd signature (bottom left) near coastline was added in 1946 alongside the Jolly Roger and "Deadman's Island" name for the island as embellishments. The original much more simple map did not have the signature, skull and crossbones nor was the island named:

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It is by no means clear that Kidd's initials appear on the original. There is no "W. K." only a "W" next to "1699".

Sorry but you are quite wrong Criptid1990.
Lets start with the second version you showed with no scull and cross bones. if you look closely you will that it bears the initials J W this was first drawn (not very well) by John Ware who was both Captain Kidd's quarter master and close friend who may also have piloted the Adventure Prize through the many dangerous sand shoals of Mahone Bay
The other map was a better copy of John Ware's rough version and it was improved on by Captain Kidd. Having first successfully unloaded the treasure and possessing two French passes Captain Kidd got over confident, and had his signed map fallen into the wrong hands it would have got him hanged in an open and shut case.

On his own map Kidd wrote, "Ye Mainland", and here "Spaniards cut Logwood" it was probably raided for use in the construction of the Mine or why add it to the map. Looking at a map of the expansive Mahone Bay I found this area located on its East side, this section of the coast line refers to "Meisner Point". It perfectly fits the location of the old Spanish lumber yard and its depleted stockpile. Above that the "Deep Cove" refers to a wide estuary. Further up the coast you come to East River (forked) Bay, it is also depicted on Captain Kidd's Dead Mans Island map. To reiterate I have been there when I was sailed all around Mahone Bay, by my local friend who had his boat moored in the Oak Island Marina.

Mr Hood may well have had John Wares rough version, the one that matters is the brash Captain Kidd's incriminating version of it he drew after he arrived at Oak Island. This map shows a triangular shaped pond and a fresh water stream that runs north to wet lands, and it then ends up at a bay with an anchorage, does all that ring a bell, that is precisely what an early satellite picture taken of Oak Island showed.

Oak Island sage

 

[Cryptid1990]

Great stuff as usual.

This illustrates the industry that developed over the 20th century of promoting treasure maps and books on buried pirate treasure. That and sensationalized stories in newspapers have influenced public perceptions of buried treasure even to this day.

This is where many people fall astray. It is not being derogatory of them; it happened where people become enthralled with such stories, and they start seeing clues in promotional products as real treasure clues. Whole books have been written, and lives have been wasted, basing their research on chasing rainbows, looking for clues in 20th-century fake maps and stories.

Even old Crow, I put my hand up 40 years ago, I am not ashamed, I did the same back then, caught up in the hype like many other people. Many do not advance in their research and critical thinking and remain lost in a self-perpetuating fantasy, blind to all else. Others quit and move on, and freaks like me learn to research for the truth. But it's a long, hard, thankless journey of many errors and Mistakes that you learn from along the way.

Crow

There are no authentic pirate treasure maps so this is why believing that Kidd drew a map is erroneous and a non-starter. Pirates very rarely buried their treasure and those that did, never created a treasure map. William Kidd buried a treasure on Gardiners Island but he did not make a treasure map with instructions or clues; instead, he simply asked John Gardiner to allow him to bury the treasure on the island for safekeeping (so Gardiner knew the exact location). Pirate treasure maps (including "X marks the spot") are a literary trope popularised by Robert Louis Stevenson (1883). The two posters in this thread arguing Kidd drew treasure maps (Randawg72, Oak Island Sage) are doing so in bad faith - you can do a quick Wikipedia search to find: "Although buried pirate treasure is a favorite literary theme, there are very few documented cases of pirates actually burying treasure, and no documented cases of a historical pirate treasure map." I own a large book and article collection on buried treasure, maritime history, and pirates. I have never come across a single authentic pirate treasure map.

While there are many claims of pirate treasure maps (especially in non-scholarly literature) none have been verified as genuine and the provenance of these maps is seldom traceable before the early 20th century. The owner of Snow's map, for example, cannot be determined before c. 1940. The owners of the Kidd-Palmer maps cannot be traced before the 1920s, which strongly suggests they were drawn by Arthur Hill-Cutler, who sold them to Hubert Palmer. That said, there are examples of real treasure maps (or textual clues to buried treasure) but they have nothing to do with pirates - in the 1920s and 1930s so-called scavenger hunts became quite common and I have read several stories in newspapers of people finding treasure maps in bottles or furniture around that period; some of them led to the actual discovery of buried treasure or objects of value. In the past few decades there are examples of modern treasure hunts (The Secret by Bryon Preiss, Jon Collins-Black's Treasure Hunt, Fenn treasure, etc) and I recently joined The Armchair Treasure Hunt Club. My own view is that the Kidd-Palmer maps point to a treasure buried in the 1920s (I will in the near-future post information on this). However, the treasure is local and buried somewhere in England. CapnGeorge (who bizarrely believes there is a treasure on an exotic atoll) and Gjb (Oak Island) are wide of the mark.

 

[Crow]

Historical records do not show a prominent, long-term associate named "John Ware" with Captain William Kidd. In 1698, after abandoning his leaking vessel the Adventure Galley, Captain William Kidd transferred his remaining loyal crew to the Quedagh Merchant, a captured Armenian ship he renamed the Adventure Prize. Many of his original crew deserted him at St. Mary’s, Madagascar, to join pirate Robert Culliford, leaving only about 15-20 men with him on the Adventure Prize. The fact remains 97 of his men abandoned him in Madagascar. They took their shares of spoils. John Ware was not a quartermaster. John Ware appears to be a 20th-century invention to fit the narrative for a 20th-century fake map.

Captain William Kidd’s crew, aboard the Adventure Galley in 1696, consisted of roughly 150 men, many of whom were English or French. Notable members included Chief Mate George Bollen, quartermasters Hendrick van der Heul and John Walker, surgeon Robert Bradinham, and cook Abeel Owen. The crew, often unhappy with their lack of plunder, later forced Kidd into piracy.

Key crew members and associates included:Hendrick van der Heul: A Dutch privateer and Kidd's quartermaster.Robert Bradinham: The ship’s surgeon.George Bollen: Chief Mate.John Walker: Quartermaster.Moses Butterworth: Crew member.Hugh Parrot: English pirate.Richard Barlycorne: Kidd’s apprentice.Gabriel Loffe: Swedish pirate.Edward Grayham: Carpenter.

Several of his crew members, including Richard Barleycorn, Robert Lamley, William Jenkins, Gabriel Loffe, Able Owens, and Hugh Parrot, were convicted of piracy but pardoned just before their scheduled hanging in London.

Crow

 

[Oak Island Sage]

More nonsense. The Deadman's Island map was obviously drawn in 1946 (the year it is dated by copyright). It took the name "Deadman's [island]" from a song by pirate Billy Bones and others in Robert Louis Stevenson's (1883) novel Treasure Island:

"Fifteen men on the dead man's chest—Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!".

The Deadman's Island map was an embellishment for marketing by H. P. Hood and Sons Dairy. None of the pirate names, symbols, and motifs were on the original map in the possession of Edward Rowe Snow. You have been refuted on this but lack the integrity to admit you are wrong (as Crow and others noted). It is a waste of time further debating you and other posters have already put you on their ignore list.Crypted1990 you and Crow are apparently so convinced that you are correct and that the Deadman Island is a fake, but, neither of you have explained the similarities between Captain Kidd's version (and John Ware's) and what the satellite pictures show of Oak Island, there were no drones in 1699.

Crptid1990, the locality of the the Spanish log pile at Meisner Point is also drawn on Captain Kidd's own map, this appears to be to be something that you seem very reluctant to talk about. I have conceded that the rough map drawn by John Ware may have been discovered by H P Hood and son's, but that is NOT the improved and signed version that was made by Captain Kidd.
To recap:
1/ The location of the Spanish Log store at Meisner Point on the far East side of Mahone Bay is depicted on both maps.

2/ I have identified some of the things drawn on Captain Kidd's own version of the Deadman Island map which were also on Oak Island before the searcher excavations destroyed them, such as the triangular shaped pond.

3/ Then you can add to this that Mr Lowe Snow had handwriting experts verify that the writing and signature were that of Captain Kidd.
4/ The surrounding islands that were drawn on both maps in 1699 are still there around Oak island now, how do you explain that? The only people who knew the position of the islands that back then were those who had actually sailed there and seen them in - 1699.

I'm not surprised that you have put me on your ignore list it's a very prudent decision, I do ask some extremely awkward questions that are safer to evade or ignore.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Crow]

Sage

I already know the answer.

The main purpose of a handwriting examination is to determine the authorship of two sets of writing. Were they written by the same person or were they produced by different people? A handwriting examination will determine the authorship of malicious letters, who may have written a Will, or who completed disputed cheques. In your case, the signature on a treasure map is the same as official Kidd letters in the British archives.

Handwriting specimens need to be in the same style as the writing in dispute. For example, it is only possible to compare BLOCK with BLOCK or lower case with lower case. The best handwriting specimens should have been written as part of everyday life. In addition, they should be from the same time period as the writing in dispute. It also helps if some are original rather than being photocopies. Examples of suitable specimens could be letters, diaries, business documents or college work. If you cannot obtain course of business writing, then request samples can be taken. Request samples should be dictated from the writing in dispute. If the writing is short we would need a number of versions of the text. For a longer piece of writing, a number of different paragraphs are advisable.

You're the one making the claims. It's your onus to prove your hypothesis. You said you are in the UK. Here is a link to specialists Cossett and Barr

UK Hand writing expert

You can use the alleged signatures of Kidd's that I posted in an earlier post. Two are confirmed real signatures on Kidd's letters of correspondence. And for good measure I will provide another signature. will provide enough text for the expert to confirm your signature on the Deadman Island treasure map.

Your Deadman Island map signature below.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Another thing, the map you claim is not a map of Oak Island anyway.

This Google Earth image is oriented true north. The mainland on the west side. Top of image North, bottom of image South, left west, right east.

You will see the compass bearing North below, pointing north on the Deadman Map below. Mainland on the right East

You will see the compass bearing north illustration below, pointing north. Mainland to the right east.

Notice the mainland on the maps is on the right side, the east side. Oak Island, facing north, the mainland is on the west side.

Plus, the maps show a substantial hill. Yet Oak Island does not have a hill below.

So you are just convinced that similar features you pointed out are evidence, while ignoring glaring irregularities that do not fit your pet theory.

You ignore the original Kidd Documents, you ignore that the map is not actually a map of Oak Island, and you ignore the fact that there are no records of any Quartermaster by the name of John Ware. You ignore that the map was copyrighted and drawn in 1946. You ignore that with all maps oriented north as per compass bearing, the mainland is on the right east on your Deadman map that you claim as real, while in reality, the mainland is on the left west facing north at Oak Island.

No one challenges your interest or passion or having a go at writing a book, but clearly ignoring these facts either shows egocentrism or declining cognitive skills. At the ripe age you're at, you have my admiration. I doubt I'll get to your age. But I cannot just agree to your claims just to humor you, for your unsubstantiated claims, knowing all too well they are incorrect. While your typing skills are very admirable and impressive, sorry, your reasoning and cognitive skills are just not there, buddy.

The sad thing is, you cannot see it and never will, when everyone else can.


Crow

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Historical records do not show a prominent, long-term associate named "John Ware" with Captain William Kidd. In 1698, after abandoning his leaking vessel the Adventure Galley, Captain William Kidd transferred his remaining loyal crew to the Quedagh Merchant, a captured Armenian ship he renamed the Adventure Prize. Many of his original crew deserted him at St. Mary’s, Madagascar, to join pirate Robert Culliford, leaving only about 15-20 men with him on the Adventure Prize. The fact remains 97 of his men abandoned him in Madagascar. They took their shares of spoils. John Ware was not a quartermaster. John Ware appears to be a 20th-century invention to fit the narrative for a 20th-century fake map.

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Captain William Kidd’s crew, aboard the Adventure Galley in 1696, consisted of roughly 150 men, many of whom were English or French. Notable members included Chief Mate George Bollen, quartermasters Hendrick van der Heul and John Walker, surgeon Robert Bradinham, and cook Abeel Owen. The crew, often unhappy with their lack of plunder, later forced Kidd into piracy.

Key crew members and associates included:Hendrick van der Heul: A Dutch privateer and Kidd's quartermaster.Robert Bradinham: The ship’s surgeon.George Bollen: Chief Mate.John Walker: Quartermaster.Moses Butterworth: Crew member.Hugh Parrot: English pirate.Richard Barlycorne: Kidd’s apprentice.Gabriel Loffe: Swedish pirate.Edward Grayham: Carpenter.

Several of his crew members, including Richard Barleycorn, Robert Lamley, William Jenkins, Gabriel Loffe, Able Owens, and Hugh Parrot, were convicted of piracy but pardoned just before their scheduled hanging in London.

Crow

There are other things to consider regarding John Ware, first from the original crew of the Adventure Galley, fifty prime seamen were pressed by a navel frigate on the River Thames estuary. Then at the Isle of Saint Mary many crew men (about two thirds) joined the pirate Robert Culliford who was Kidd's friend. Later along the east coast of America many crewmen opted to take their chances ashore rather than stay with Captain Kidd now declared a wanted pirate by the King. No records would kept by these men and many changed their names, so who John Ware was must remain a mystery. It's possible that he was given the job of Quarter master on the final stretch of the voyage whilst heading for Oak Island.
Signing his name next to William Kidd on an incriminating map of the Deadman Island (drawn and signed by William Kidd) is sufficient evidence for me to feel that John Ware was the doomed privateer's close and loyal friend, and possibly Henry Every's as well.
On his approach to Oak Island before entering Mahone Bay Captain Kidd's lookout reported sighting three rapidly pursuing wars ships on the horizon. A thick fog soon becalmed all the ships that were forced to anchor. Captain Kidd's ship Adventure Prize was carefully towed by long boat into a (concealed by tall pine trees) hidden anchorage, this is currently known as "Smuggler's Cove" or "Rogues Roost" After this stroke of luck and when the coast was clear he later sailed the ship through the dangerous sand shoals that exist in Mahone Bay. Taking constant soundings he successfully reached Oak Island, then sailing around to the North side of it at Joudary Cove he anchored at the secret jetty. Part of his cautious route is shown on his version of - the Deadman Island Map.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Cryptid1990]

John Ware was not a quartermaster. John Ware appears to be a 20th-century invention to fit the narrative for a 20th-century fake map [...]
Captain William Kidd’s crew, aboard the Adventure Galley in 1696, consisted of roughly 150 men, many of whom were English or French. Notable members included Chief Mate George Bollen, quartermasters Hendrick van der Heul and John Walker, surgeon Robert Bradinham, and cook Abeel Owen. The crew, often unhappy with their lack of plunder, later forced Kidd into piracy.

He was a member of Kidd's crew but there are few historical records that mention him.

"John Ware, his [Kidd's] master" was noted in Kidd's Instrument of Protest, 7 July 1699:

The Manuscripts of His Grace the Duke of Portland, preserved at Welbeck Abbey : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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Another record mentions John Ware as "Master of Capt. Kidd's ship":

https://readingroo.ms/2/4/8/8/24882/24882-h/24882-h.htm

(See: 86. Information of Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701)

Concerning "Deadman's Island" and the claim John Ware drew a map, Paul Hawkins and Fagioli Albert are spreading the same nonsense as Oak Island Sage. Albert is a dowser and self-proclaimed psychic who believes he identified the island depicted on the Kidd-Palmer map as Koh Matlang (located close to the coast of Chaweng Beach on Koh Samui, Thailand). 🤡 He questionably claims he found Captain Kidd's initials carved on a rock. Hawkins is a true believer (like Randawg72) the maps were drawn by Kidd and ignores any evidence to the contrary.

Hawkins also claims to have identified the island depicted on the Kidd-Palmer maps:

I have visited the island site and can verify the maps and content to be absolutely genuine. There will be many people left with egg on their face when I publish my full account in the near future.

Of course, nothing ever materialised (it is Hawkins with egg on his face) and he ended up deleting his website probably in embarrassment. Unfortunately, these two nincompoops (Hawkins and Albert), for decades, have dominated many message board discussions and article comment sections of the Kidd-Palmer maps but what amuses me is they cannot even agree among themselves on the location spot of the treasure. Hawkins and Albert claim to have identified different islands as where treasure was buried hundreds or thousands of miles apart.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Another thing, the map you claim is not a map of Oak Island anyway.

There is also the fact Snow did not identify the map as Oak Island considering the poor resemblance.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Another thing, the map you claim is not a map of Oak Island anyway.

This Google Earth image is oriented true north. The mainland on the west side. Top of image North, bottom of image South, left west, right east.

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You will see the compass bearing North below, pointing north on the Deadman Map below. Mainland on the right East

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You will see the compass bearing north illustration below, pointing north. Mainland to the right east.

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Notice the mainland on the maps is on the right side, the east side. Oak Island, facing north, the mainland is on the west side.

Plus, the maps show a substantial hill. Yet Oak Island does not have a hill below.

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So you are just convinced that similar features you pointed out are evidence, while ignoring glaring irregularities that do not fit your pet theory.

You ignore the original Kidd Documents, you ignore that the map is not actually a map of Oak Island, and you ignore the fact that there are no records of any Quartermaster by the name of John Ware. You ignore that the map was copyrighted and drawn in 1946. You ignore that with all maps oriented north as per compass bearing, the mainland is on the right east on your Deadman map that you claim as real, while in reality, the mainland is on the left west facing north at Oak Island.

No one challenges your interest or passion or having a go at writing a book, but clearly ignoring these facts either shows egocentrism or declining cognitive skills. At the ripe age you're at, you have my admiration. I doubt I'll get to your age. But I cannot just agree to your claims just to humor you, for your unsubstantiated claims, knowing all too well they are incorrect. While your typing skills are very admirable and impressive, sorry, your reasoning and cognitive skills are just not there, buddy.

The sad thing is, you cannot see it and never will, when everyone else can.


Crow

Hi Crow, my late associate was an RCMP detective and he knew me and my theories very well, in his opinion I should have been a detectives myself because in his view I have the natural gift intuitive perception. I respect you for your own work and would prefer not to dual with you, but please don't patronize me because of my age it does you no credit, would you do that to someone like Albert Einstein.
You make the point that on the Deadman Island drawn by Captain William Kidd he shows the main land close on the right east side, however your picture shows the mainland is on the left West side and I totally agree .
Now comes the detective work,
Question. Why would Captain Kidd include the source of logs on his treasure map?
Answer, Because hundreds of log were required for the construction of the Subterranean system of Oak Island.
2/ Question, Why is that coast line that he drew to the East nowhere near Oak Island?
Answer. Because it is actually located about twenty miles to the East across the far side of Mahone Bay, it was drawn only to additionally illustrate the source of stolen logs, he was essentually laughing at the Spaniards who had done all the hard work for them.
The date that a map was copyrighted does not indicate when it was originally drawn, or even establish who drew the original copy.
Oak Island Sage

 

[Blak bart]

Wow...45 pages, there is dead chest island in the carribean....it is called dead man's chest by many locals. This has turned pretty fascinating....but there is only so much written. We are now starting to enter the twilight zone and there are only so many lines to read between, and how many possible islands are we up to now....feels like the story is getting away from its core now !! So who's gonna go look ?? Anyone ?? Or will this go on for another 45 pages and end up with the crew of artemis finding kidds treasure on the dark side of the moon 🌚 either way we're on our way to a novel now !! This is getting fascinating 👏 👌 ill definitely need more popcorn 🍿 😋 ...and what happened to cryptid1990 ?? Wow...one bite of popcorn 🍿 and I missed something.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

!! This is getting fascinating 👏 👌 ill definitely need more popcorn 🍿 😋 ...and what happened to cryptid1990 ?? Wow...one bite of popcorn 🍿 and I missed something.

FYI....Cryptid is on timeout for insulting member after warning not to insult members again, using the same insult he was warned about again..

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Another thing, the map you claim is not a map of Oak Island anyway.

This Google Earth image is oriented true north. The mainland on the west side. Top of image North, bottom of image South, left west, right east.

View attachment 2249575

You will see the compass bearing North below, pointing north on the Deadman Map below. Mainland on the right East

View attachment 2249576

You will see the compass bearing north illustration below, pointing north. Mainland to the right east.

View attachment 2249577


Notice the mainland on the maps is on the right side, the east side. Oak Island, facing north, the mainland is on the west side.

Plus, the maps show a substantial hill. Yet Oak Island does not have a hill below.

View attachment 2249578

So you are just convinced that similar features you pointed out are evidence, while ignoring glaring irregularities that do not fit your pet theory.

You ignore the original Kidd Documents, you ignore that the map is not actually a map of Oak Island, and you ignore the fact that there are no records of any Quartermaster by the name of John Ware. You ignore that the map was copyrighted and drawn in 1946. You ignore that with all maps oriented north as per compass bearing, the mainland is on the right east on your Deadman map that you claim as real, while in reality, the mainland is on the left west facing north at Oak Island.

No one challenges your interest or passion or having a go at writing a book, but clearly ignoring these facts either shows egocentrism or declining cognitive skills. At the ripe age you're at, you have my admiration. I doubt I'll get to your age. But I cannot just agree to your claims just to humor you, for your unsubstantiated claims, knowing all too well they are incorrect. While your typing skills are very admirable and impressive, sorry, your reasoning and cognitive skills are just not there, buddy.

The sad thing is, you cannot see it and never will, when everyone else can.


Crow

Hi Crow, now that Crytpid 1990 has proved beyond all doubt that John Ware was Captain Kidd's master in 1699, 😁 it certainly now adds considerable credence to my own theory don't you agree. To reiterate, John Ware first drew and signed the rough version of the Deadman Island map, he then signed his name again on William Kidd's improved version that was done with a better pen and comprehensively detailed. Captain Kidd carved the writing on the rummer" Plan of the island from John's rough map" now that looks very interesting, that's because it suggest that John had already drawn at least one map. The next point to consider is that the only way that John could know anything about this island is if he had already been there after the work was finished by 1699 . This is simply because the triangular shaped pond was man made (with several other things), and that is how it and everything else appears on Oak Island and on Captain Kidd's version of the Deadman Island map dated 1699

When Captain Kidd arrived at the secret jetty located at Joudary Cove (as shown on the map) it was for the first and only time, so it logically follows that all the work was completed and the covert operation was already in full flow and receiving other treasure ships before he even got there.
I have explained the real distant location of what Kidd described and "Ye Mainland" and why he chose to add " Here Spaniards cut logwood"
You have been given a lot food for thought Crow, and I have been proven correct more than once on this website in spite of criticism. I now ask you this in a friendly manner, has my credibility gone up a notch now? are you prepared to change tack now? I'm thinking, no way Jose. 😆
"If you pass a sleeping tiger, tread softly" zzzzzzzzzzzz

Oak Island Sage

 

[Bocaj]

FYI....Cryptid is on timeout for insulting member after warning not to insult members again, using the same insult he was warned about again..

I think most here have their favorite spot (island). It is difficult to keep an even keel and its a good training to keep a cool head. Best to watch "The Treasures of Sierra Madre" to see where it leads if you can't.

 

[Bocaj]

Hi Crow, now that Crytpid 1990 has proved beyond all doubt that John Ware was Captain Kidd's master in 1699, 😁 it certainly now adds considerable credence to my own theory don't you agree. To reiterate, John Ware first drew and signed the rough version of the Deadman Island map, he then signed his name again on William Kidd's improved version that was done with a better pen and comprehensively detailed. Captain Kidd carved the writing on the rummer" Plan of the island from John's rough map" now that looks very interesting, that's because it suggest that John had already drawn at least one map. The next point to consider is that the only way that John could know anything about this island is if he had already been there after the work was finished by 1699 . This is simply because the triangular shaped pond was man made (with several other things), and that is how it and everything else appears on Oak Island and on Captain Kidd's version of the Deadman Island map dated 1699

When Captain Kidd arrived at the secret jetty located at Joudary Cove (as shown on the map) it was for the first and only time, so it logically follows that all the work was completed and the covert operation was already in full flow and receiving other treasure ships before he even got there.
I have explained the real distant location of what Kidd described and "Ye Mainland" and why he chose to add " Here Spaniards cut logwood"
You have been given a lot food for thought Crow, and I have been proven correct more than once on this website in spite of criticism. I now ask you this in a friendly manner, has my credibility gone up a notch now? are you prepared to change tack now? I'm thinking, no way Jose. 😆
"If you pass a sleeping tiger, tread softly" zzzzzzzzzzzz

Oak Island Sage

Let's see if you can tread on a tigers tail before giving Crow advice first!

For what it is worth start listening:
I can not say much about the history of those maps but one thing I know for sure its that the island depicted in the map has a indisputable geographic identification. A highly visible volcano with its peak drown on both the flat and the relief.

Which excludes OI.

 

[Blak bart]

Simple advice....go and search !! You will definitely not find the treasure speculating. Each person is here with a different perspective. Prove it !! Go into the field and prove it. I just cant imagine not scratching the itch !! Blah blah blah....aside from crow, I dont see anyone with practical experience in the field. I see back and forth bickering with absolutely no one digging or searching....rumored expeditions?? Well get on it before were all buried like the treasure supposed to be. Honestly the research has become easier, and easier in the digital era. Im not diminishing the hard work put in here academically on the research side. It can often be more rewarding than the actual hunt....but the internet has spawned an army of digital treasure warriors. Each one of these arm chair treasure hunters has 100% confidence in there theories, but i never see the expedition, or recovery of anything in most cases....especially here on t-net !! So who is really "THAT GUY" ! The one who will go out and prove his theories? Those types are the rarity !! Wikipedia warriors are a dime a dozen....get out there, show us, stop responding to people on a forum with emotion....take the E off emotion, and put that motion into action. The comfort of the arm chair will never produce treasure....unless Kidd sat in it and a dobloon is under the cushion !! Fly in, boat in, get on site, look around, find something besides your pen and paper!! 45 pages of ideas and theories and no one has ever been to these islands and locations?? All it will be is blah blah blah until someone pulls the trigger on a search. Be careful...you all freely exchange your theories and information on a public forum....there are people who are much more action oriented and can actually check some of this out....would be horrible if you finally did your search and there were only open holes where you wanted to look.

 

[Blak bart]

Digging through documents and archives is part of the process, but the range of skill sets needed to be successful are vast. Others are out there working at this moment, and yes they have used information provided here on t-net....sure bart...how do you know this....because I talk with them, and info from one thread or another has been used by them and is currently being explored !! The real hard parts are money, logistics, permits, permission, and the real physical challenges presented in the search...how healthy are you, can you treck through the actual terrain, how are your underwater skills, have a pilots license, can you dive, what about captain skills, and navigation. Maritime lawyers, government liaisons, technical experts, magnotometer experience, artifact preservation and on and on !! This thing with the Armchair detective is important, but when there rubber hits the road, and the hunt begins, thats when real obstacles start to appear in good ideas !! This is a very important but small part of succeeding at any of the propositions put forth here !!

 

[Crow]

Wow...45 pages, there is dead chest island in the carribean....it is called dead man's chest by many locals. This has turned pretty fascinating....but there is only so much written. We are now starting to enter the twilight zone and there are only so many lines to read between, and how many possible islands are we up to now....feels like the story is getting away from its core now !! So who's gonna go look ?? Anyone ?? Or will this go on for another 45 pages and end up with the crew of artemis finding kidds treasure on the dark side of the moon 🌚 either way we're on our way to a novel now !! This is getting fascinating 👏 👌 ill definitely need more popcorn 🍿 😋 ...and what happened to cryptid1990 ?? Wow...one bite of popcorn 🍿 and I missed something.

Ya might be onto something Bart. We all know a giant space elephant farted and blew a hole in Oak Island and filled it up with treasure from Avery and Kidd that was stored on the dark side of the moon.

All jokes aside, after 45 pages, one would be excused for needing a lift home in the rubber taxi.

There is no doubt that many people are passionate about the topic of Kidd. There have been many theories by book Authors written and published here about the topic. Some theories are anchored in truth and or half-truths. Others are pure flights of fantasy.

They all claim they are correct, even now, Oak Island Sage. That is why it is a treasure legend. So much has been written as fact over the years, which has been one author copying off another author, and assumed as fact. That has been done over the 20th century. Today, we have much greater access to information than in the early 20th century; most information was untouchable.

Each Captain Kidd author believes they have solved the mystery. But no one has bothered to ask whether there was any treasure to begin with or to hunt down original documents. There is too much speculation based on other people's speculation.

For better or worse, I prefer to dig for the truth behind the hype and legends. This topic is for me only an exercise in research skills. If I am presented with verifiable facts, I am prepared to change my opinion. Personally, at present, I do not believe in any conspiracy between Avery and Kidd. (Sage believes so, but refuses to prove his claim ) Nor a great treasure taken by either captain. Avery's personal share was substantial but not a great hoard, and Kidd's, well, his personal share was recovered from Gardiner's Island, but Kidd, in an ironic twist, gained immortality in connection to the treasure when Avery did not. But that does not mean there are not small personal caches of surviving pirates lingering about. I definitely think your island has merits in finding some of Avery's crew's private caches, or at least artifacts from that time period.

I understand cryptid1990's frustration, and his lashing out from that frustration earned him a time-out. I understand treasurehunters unenviable role of moderating in asylum.

Ironically, cryptid1990 found a lot of good stuff that, beyond doubt, reveals the Kidd Palmer charts for what they are. Yet still, a true believer will post believing in the Kidd Palmer charts. Yet in the midst of the chaos of 45 posts, there is some really good information on the topic. Indeed, cryptid1990 posted links to where John Ware mentions in several references. I stand corrected on that point. It does give a clue to Edward Roe Snow, who obtained the name from on his map. I confess I have mixed opinions about Edward Rowe Snow. He was, as it now appears, knowledgeable but still a bit of a showman. He claimed information of John Ware came from the following. Information of Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701 From the manuscripts of the Duke of Portland at Welbeck Abbey, a copy having been kindly furnished by the Rev. Richard W. Goulding, librarian to the duke. The date Feb. 4, 1700, means Feb. 4, 1701, new style. Bolton's previous history and his relations with Kidd are sufficiently shown by this and preceding documents. In 1700 he had been shipped to England from Jamaica, and he was now, or at any rate on Dec. 22, 1700, in Newgate prison under charges of piracy. Cal. St. P. Col., 1700, p. 760.

Source Information of Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701 this letter must have been in the Duke of Portland's archives.

This was transcribed first in 1891 and later in 1923 above. where it mentions John Ware. You can see below.

And the other source that mentions John Ware, his [Kidd's] master, was noted in Kidd's Instrument of Protest, 7 July 1699: mentions John Ware.

So I acknowledge the two sources that do mention John Ware. When I looked at the original documents in British archives, there was no mention of John Ware by W Jenkins. You can see for yourself below.

None of Captain Kidd's or known crew mentions John Ware other than the claims of Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701 this letter must have been in the Duke of Portland's archives. which transferred to the British Archive and Library. However, it is hard to find as I cannot find a catalogue with it listed..

Sources searched for John Ware. assioates and Kidd himself in all the following never mentioned him below.

Examination of Andrios Henlyne and other concerning Kidd's ship Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64ix)
Letter from Bellomont to Captain Kidd Date: 8 June 1698 Reference: HCA 1/98 f214
Letter to Captain Kidd from New York Date: 4 June 1698 Reference: HCA 1/98 f209
John Clarke's account of Captain Kidd Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123iv) 3 of 3
John Clarke's account of Captain Kidd Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123iv) 2 of 3
John Clarke's account of Captain Kidd Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123iv) 1 of 3
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 7 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 6 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 5 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 4 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 3 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 2 of 7
Narrative of Captain Kidd's voyage from London Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxv) 1 of 7
Copy of Captain Kidd's examination Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxiv) 2 of 2
Copy of Captain Kidd's examination Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxiv) i of 2
Letter from Bellomont to Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64v) 2 of 2
Letter from Bellomont to Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64v) 1 of 2
Letter from Bellomont detailing the seizing and committing of Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64) 5 of 5
Letter from Bellomont detailing the seizing and committing of Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64) 4 of 5
Letter from Bellomont detailing the seizing and committing of Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64) 3 of 5
Letter from Bellomont detailing the seizing and committing of Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64) 2 of 5
Letter from Bellomont detailing the seizing and committing of Captain Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64) 1 of 5
Letter from Earl of Bellomont luring Kidd to New York Date: 8 June 1698 Reference: HCA 1/98 pt1 f128
Captain William Kidd's articles of the Adventure galley drawn up in New York, via Joseph Palmer Date: 1701 Reference: HCA 1/15/8
Captain William Kidd's articles of the Adventure galley drawn up in New York, via Joseph Palmer Date: 1701 Reference: HCA 1/15/8
Captain William Kidd's articles of the Adventure galley drawn up in New York, via Joseph Palmer Date: 1701 Reference: HCA 1/15/8 (reverse)
Captain William Kidd's privateering commission Date: 11 December 1695 Reference: HCA 1/15 (108)
Captain William Kidd and others indictment for piracy and murder Date: May 1701 Reference: HCA 1/15 (69v)
Captain William Kidd and others indictment for piracy and murder Date: May 1701 Reference: HCA 1/15 (69)
Captain William Kidd's memorandum of treasure left on Gardiner's Island Date: 4 September 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (65xx)
Account of merchandise seized from Captain Wiliam Kidd by Bellomont Date: July 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xix) 2 of 2
Account of merchandise seized from Captain Wiliam Kidd by Bellomont Date: July 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xix) 1 of 2
Captain Nicholas Everts' depoistion concerning Kidd Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64x)
Letter from Captain Wiliam Kidd in Newgate gaol Date: 30 December 1700 Reference: ADM 1/2004
Testimony of William Kidd Date: 1695 Reference: HCA 13/81 (313)
Kidd's letter for wood and water Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123v) 2 of 2
Kidd's letter for wood and water Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123v) 1 of 2
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 8 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 7 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 6 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 5 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 4 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 3 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 2 of 8
Examination of Kidd's crewmen Wm Jenkins Richard Barleycorn and Robert Lamley Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xi) 1 of 8
Copy of Kidd's letter to Bellomont Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64v) 2 of 2
Copy of Kidd's letter to Bellomont Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64v) 2 of 2
Examination of Andrios Henlyne and other concerning Kidd's ship Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64ix)
Copy of French pass dated 14 Jan 1698 taken by Kidd on board Moorish ship Cara Marchand Date: 14 Jan 1698 Reference: CO 5/860 (64iii)
Copy of French pass dated 14 Jan 1698 taken by Kidd on board Moorish ship Cara Marchand Date: 14 Jan 1698 Reference: CO 5/860 (64iii)
Deposition of Nicholas Alderson Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124ii) 3 of 3
Deposition of Nicholas Alderson Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124ii) 2 of 3
Deposition of Nicholas Alderson Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124ii) 1 of 3
Deposition of Benjamin Franks Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124i) 4 of 4
Deposition of Benjamin Franks Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124i) 3 of 4
Deposition of Benjamin Franks Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124i) 2 of 4
Deposition of Benjamin Franks Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (124i) 1 of 4
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 15 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 14of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 13 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 12 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 11 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 10 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 9 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 8 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 7 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 6 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 5 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 4 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 3 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 2 of 15
Narrative of William Willock Date: 1697 Reference: CO 323/2 (123viii) 1 of 15
Deposition of Abel Owen Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxiii) 3 of 3
Deposition of Abel Owen Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxiii) 2 of 3
Deposition of Abel Owen Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xxiii) 1 of 3
Inventory of the sloop Antonio Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xx)
Examination of Hugh Parratt Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xviii) 3 of 3
Examination of Hugh Parratt Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xviii) 2 of 3
Examination of Hugh Parratt Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xviii) 1 of 3
Deposition of Duncan Campbell and his wife Susanna Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xvii) 3 of 3
Deposition of Duncan Campbell and his wife Susanna Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xvii) 2 of 3
Deposition of Duncan Campbell and his wife Susanna Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xvii) 1 of 3
Examination of Edward Davis Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xvi)
Deposition of Robert Livingston Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xv) 2 of 2
Deposition of Robert Livingston Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xv) 1 of 2
Examination of Thomas Way Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xiv)
Examination of Samuel Wood Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xiii) 3 of 3
Examination of Samuel Wood Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xiii) 2 of 3
Examination of Samuel Wood Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64xiii) 1 of 3
Copy of the examination by Bellomont of Gabriel Loff Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64viii) 3 of 3
Copy of the examination by Bellomont of Gabriel Loff Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64viii) 2 of 3
Copy of the examination by Bellomont of Gabriel Loff Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64viii) 1 of 3
Bellomont to Mr Gardiner Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64vii)
Memorial of Duncan Campbell Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64iv) 2 of 2
Memorial of Duncan Campbell Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64iv) 2 of 2
Abstract of the letter from Bellomont Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64i) 2 of 2
Abstract of the letter from Bellomont Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (64i) 1 of 2
Abstract of the letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62i) 1 of 2
Abstract of the letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62i) 2 of 2
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 6 of 6
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 5 of 6
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 4 of 6
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 3 of 6
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 2 of 6
Letter from Bellomont to the Lords of the Council Date: 1699 Reference: CO 5/860 (62) 1 of 6

There is at present no trace of this original Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701 this letter nor Kidd's Instrument of Protest, 7 July 1699: cannot yet be verified. other than transcribed copies in 1923. Which, no doubt, Edward Edward Rope Snow pulled the name from.

So I cannot say John Ware did not exist. Nor can I confirm he existed without confirming the original source documents that appear to be missing?

Nor can Sage claim without the original Henry Bolton. February 4, 1701 this letter, or Kidd's Instrument of Protest, 7 July 1699: to claim Ware was a real crew member of Kidd's Crew.

Sage, I agree with you to verify the signature on the chart as William Kidd's, which goes a long way in confirming your hypothesis.

However, thats your job? If I engaged an expert, you would simply dismiss them as a biased expert. I gave a link to experts in the UK and can supply a real signature and handwriting from Kidd via the British Archives original documents. To compare with the signature on the map.

If you want to be believed by anyone. Since you made bold claims, it is your responsibility to prove your claims.


One word of advice: comparing yourself to Albert Einstein confirms my comments about egocentrity and narcissism.

Crow

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Let's see if you can tread on a tigers tail before giving Crow advice first!

For what it is worth start listening:
I can not say much about the history of those maps but one thing I know for sure its that the island depicted in the map has a indisputable geographic identification. A highly visible volcano with its peak drown on both the flat and the relief.

Which excludes OI.

Hi Bocaj, I think you are referring to John Ware's rough version of the Deadmans Island map, on this he appears to have drawn a volcano but that is not what he tried to depict. The early satellite picture of Oak Island shows a triangular shaped pond near to the beach. A three hundred foot long ten foot high ridge of earth formed the base of the triangle, and that line forms a strong barrier to construct the excavated nine foot deep pond on the inside. This stagnant level gets shallower at the apex and it was built as a reservoir to supply fresh water via a stream at the apex, it's clearly shown on Captain Kidd's version of the Deadman Island map.

Smithsonian experts declared the ridge of earth to be of a man made construction. That artificial facility is what John Ware tried to illustrate, however, Captain Williams Kidd's signed and much improved version does not show what looks like a volcano. Captain Kidd actually drew a triangular pond with a fresh water stream which is (or rather was) in plain sight in around 1960, but that was long before the current extensive searcher excavations in the mid section of Oak Island. The triangular pond and stream are sadly both gone, and now in wet weather the whole valley becomes flooded and it looks like a big lake, but 80% of that long ridge of earth is still there.
The anchorage shown on Kidd's version of the Deadman Island map is still visible today next to Tom Nolan's modern jetty.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Crow]

Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series: America and West Indies, 1700 and 1701, Preserved in the Public Record Office

There is no mention of John Ware as part of Kidd's crew. Henry Bolton from Curacao claimed John Ware was with Kidd. in this February 4, 1701 this letter. I cannot confirm at present where that document is.

Henry Bolton is in Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: Volume 18, 1700 Covers the whole period 1700. There is no mention of any John Ware. All other crew members are below.

Dec. 22. Admiralty Office, Sunday Afternoon. 1041. J. Burchett to Mr. Popple. There being on board H.M.S. Dolphin one Bolton, who is sent from Jamaica upon account of some transactions between him and Capt. Kidd, now in Newgate for piracy, and my Lords of the Admiralty being informed that His Majesty was moved by the Lords of the Council of Trade to send for the said Bolton, they desire to know upon what grounds or information the Lords of the Council of Trade prepared the draught of the letter laid before His Majesty for sending him home, and if I can have your answer to-morrow morning, I shall then have opportunity of communicating it to the Board. Signed, J. Burchett. Endorsed, Recd. Dec. 23, 1700. 1 p. [Board of Trade. New England, 11. No. 33; and 38. p. 337.]

Dec. 22. Dec. 23. Whitehall. 1043. William Popple to Josia Burchett. In answer to preceding refers to correspondence abstracted in this and previous volumes. "I do not find that any letter or instruction was ever prepared by this Board for the sending home of Bolton by name, or in any manner more particularly than any other pirates, nor have their Lordships any account of Sir William Beeston's sending him." [Board of Trade. New England, 38. pp. 338–340.]

Dec. 23.1047. Journal of Council of Trade and Plantations. Letter from Mr. Burchet, Dec. 22, read. Secretary's reply approved. Upon further consideration of the papers in this Office relating to Bolton, copies ordered to be sent to Mr. Burchet. Major Ingoldsby's Memorial read. Copy ordered to be sent to Lord Bellomont.

Dec. 24. Whitehall. 053. William Popple to Josia Burchett. The Lords Commissioners for Trade and Plantations command me to send you the enclosed papers, which contain what has past or remains before them relating to Bolton. [Board of Trade. New England, 38. pp. 340–342.] (This paper could be the February 4, 1701, letter? That ended up in the Duke of Portland's archives?)



April 11. Admiralty Office. 310. J. Burchett to W. Popple. I send, as desired, the names of the pirates brought home in H.M.S. Advice from New England with Capt. Kidd, being 32, including Kidd. Addressed. Signed, J. Burchett. Endorsed., Recd. April 11, Read April 12, 1700. 1 p. On back, 310. i.

List of pirates:—

William Kidd. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Edward Davis. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
James Kelley alias Gillam. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Gabriel Loffe. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Samuel Arris. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Hugh Parratt. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Robt. Lamley. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Wm. Jenkins. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Richd. Barleycorn. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Jos. Palmer. Associates and Accomplices of William Kidd.
Joseph Bradish. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Tee Witherel. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Jno. Loyd. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Davis. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Robt. Knox. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Dane. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Cornelius Larkin. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Read. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Aylmer Clarke. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Jno. Westby. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Robt. Amsden. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Robt. Mason. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Jno. Peirce. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Andw. Martin. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Simpson. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Rowland Martin. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Willm. Griffin. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
James Vennen. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Edwd. Hamm. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Jno. Parrat. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Edgehill. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.
Thomas Hewes. Associates and Accomplices of Joseph Bradish.

[Board of Trade. New England, 10. No. 26; and 37. pp. 439, 440; and (memorandium only, ¼ p.) Plantations General, 5. No. 52.]

Note no mention of this alleged Pirate John Ware.

April 11.Whitehall. 312. Council of Trade and Plantations to Governor the Earl of Bellomont. This letter relates to the business of the Massachussets Bay and other neighbouring colonies. The dates of the letters received from you referring principally to them are July 8, 26, August 28, October 24, November 6, 18, 27, 29, 30. We refer to our letter of November 27 for our answer to a great part of what we find in these relating to pirates. Your care in seizing the persons and effects of Kidd, Gillam, etc., deserves great commendations, and it has been accordingly represented to His Majesty. But we can add nothing to the Orders that have been sent you thereupon. Letters have been writ to Barbados, the Leeward Islands and Jamaica, about Bourk and Bolton, and about pirates' goods carried by them or others to St. Thomas and Curacao, but we see little likelihood of recovering anything from thence. Upon what you write about the Fidelia, we spoke with Mr. Charles Noden, one of the owners, but could not fix any criminal matter upon the owners, yet have reason to suspect that the ship was sent out upon an unlawful design.
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source Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies:

Crow