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The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

Hi Blak bart, you clearly a treasure hunter in the true sense, one who has had wide experience searching underwater and beneath the ground. It's natural that you want tangible evidence but I don't own the land or the many permits required for searching on Oak Island. Successful Under water searches are either a result of a lot of research to locate the search area, or by sheer luck. Metal detectors and ground penetrating radar are exploratory devises, and the searches on Oak Island have used every thing they can in random searches all over and around the island all to no avail.

They are pestered for about twenty five years by an old English guy who claims to know how to retrieve the treasure in about two weeks at very low cost, and he'll do it for - nothing. Now if I were Rick unless that old guy came up first with up with evidence and provenance normally I'd reject his 2026 offer, however if it was for free I would shelve the offer.

That is where we are today.

Oak Island Sage
I focus on my personal hunts, and have ruled out such grandiose projects such as oak island...sometimes getting on the ground, and working in reverse can be successful. Hunt first, find something, and research possible scenarios. If no historical narrative fits, but treasure is found, then it is still a win. The clues on site fuel the research, and new discoveries are made, and old mysteries sometimes get worked out !! Im Searching and getting close to a third chest/cache. Stumbling on an unknown treasure while chasing legends is par for my course. Being a true conch, or islander gives a whole nother view on possible treasures. Mixed with a little book/archive work and real damage can be done. Just a different approach....a low budget approach....finding needles in haystacks is alot easier in a small hay stack with thousands of needles in it.
 
The hard truth of this search is the hard realities of life on the ground. Islanders know just how tough and unforgiving the terrain can be. Hundreds of years of jungle growth, erosion from typhoons and hurricanes, logistics and supplies, transportation, land development, restricted preserves, national parks, unesco, permits, financing etc. Without scouting trips, and making connections these types of expeditions can go bust before launching. In the terrain I'm used to, it may take an hour to travese 200 yards. Mechanical injury in this environment can be fatal. Irridium sat phone is recommended. It might be 10 visits over 4 years to actually get on something if at all. Bugs, snakes, and bacteria/virus can be common, so get your shots. Fire, water, and knife/machete is a plus. Good luck to those who search....dig deeper, stay longer, search harder, and keep the faith...and be careful!!
 
Hi Blak bart,
Simple? Global treasure hunting is an expensive proposition. While I have full confidence in my island and my solution, it will take some saving and logistics for me to carry out an expedition. Hopefully the planets will align and I will be able to go while I'm still able.
Hi Randawg72, I have decided to disclose the possible link between Captain Kidd and Captain Every. It is this enigmatic fact that set me pursuing their possible collusion by first examining their separate voyages, and then the several possible windows of opportunity for them to have formed a covert partnership.
The possible Link.
If anyone has a copy of Captain Kidd's Skeleton Island they should look in the index, they will there find a reference to a "Cradle Blanket" it refers to a fabulous Indian blanket interwoven with gold thread. The mystery is that this was recovered from Kidd's cargo, but, the valuable item was not listed in the manifest of Captain William Kidd. This item was taken during the previous year as plunder from the Gang-i-Sawai taken by Captain Henry Every in his ship The Fancy.

I confided this exciting discovery to Paul Hawkins he promptly leapt on it, and he later posted a picture of an existing fragment of the cradle blanket on his website.
When I went to Oak island (at the invitation of the late Fred Nolan) in my absence my dear wife thought I would have no more need for all the old books which I kept stored. To my horror I later found that she had dump them in the bin as superfluous clutter, :o so sorry but I can't give source references. However I have written what I found based true recorded accounts and logical probability. :read2:

If I get the call for help this year and every thing goes well I will disclose my thoughts and the revelations that I discovered on the Treasure Net forum.
In my humble opinion the "China Sea" map and the "Deadman Island" map were drawn by Captain William Kidd, and they do depict Oak Island. It is the combination of what is written on both maps that is important not the different shapes, and you have to be a good detective to find and decipher the clues, fortunately I am.😉

Oak Island Sage
 
Hi Randawg72, I have decided to disclose the possible link between Captain Kidd and Captain Every.
Please do.
Captain Every had disappeared and was presumed dead before Kidd even left New York.
In my humble opinion the "China Sea" map and the "Deadman Island" map were drawn by Captain William Kidd, and they do depict Oak Island. It is the combination of what is written on both maps that is important not the different shapes, and you have to be a good detective to find and decipher the clues, fortunately I am.😉
I don't want to sound cynical. But I suggest you review post 218.
 
I started this thread to spark interest in Kidd's treasure and to ponder the possibility that the Kidd/Palmer charts could be authentic. I never imagined it would reach 46 pages and 73K views. Mr Edmunds based his research on the historical data that was available to him at the time. Just like everyone else does. Misquoting the timeline of a chart's discovery does not diminish or invalidate his findings.
And to those readers that are convinced that the charts are a hoax, and/or if you don't believe that Kidd hid a second larger treasure than the Gardiner's Island stash, you are entitled to that opinion.
Please stop presenting obvious nonsense as facts, and stop insulting other members and their comments.
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Still using the bothsidesism/fallacy of false balance. 🥱

The false balance fallacy occurs when media or individuals present two opposing viewpoints as equally credible, despite one side lacking substantial evidence or expertise. This practice creates a false equivalence, misleading audiences into believing a consensus does not exist when it actually does.
There's mountains of evidence the maps are a hoax and every expert who has examined the maps came to that conclusion. It is not a mere "opinion" that is equal to the nonsense you are posting that Kidd drew a treasure map:

I only believe the Kidd/Palmer charts were drawn by Kidd.
Can you even name one scholar who believes this?
 
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Still using the bothsidesism/fallacy of false balance. 🥱
Can you even name one scholar who believes this?
Hi Cryptid,
We have all missed your sardonic wit and repetitious questions.
You might want to revisit post #598.
I have a question for you. If you believe the charts are a hoax, why did you
create a "series of about a dozen posts" detailing their discovery? 😉
 
Hi Cryptid,
We have all missed your sardonic wit and repetitious questions.
You might want to revisit post #598.
I have a question for you. If you believe the charts are a hoax, why did you
create a "series of about a dozen posts" detailing their discovery? 😉
Hi Cryptid, in the film The Great Escape Steve McQueen was known as the "Cooler king", he would have been proud of your record buddy. 😆

When I read your post Cryptid I get the feeling that if someone said the treasure was on a different island you would strenuously argue that they were completely wrong. However, if they eventually gave in and agreed with you, -- then you'd change your mind and criticise them for being fickle. 😆
Still using the bothsidesism/fallacy of false balance. 🥱


There's mountains of evidence the maps are a hoax and every expert who has examined the maps came to that conclusion. It is not a mere "opinion" that is equal to the nonsense you are posting that Kidd drew a treasure map:


Can you even name one scholar who believes this?
Cerris Francis, who is simple the best, ask Tina.

Oak Island Sage
 
There's mountains of evidence the maps are a hoax and every expert who has examined the maps came to that conclusion. It is not a mere "opinion" that is equal to the nonsense you are posting that Kidd drew a treasure map:
Perhaps an adjustment might be in order. There's mountains of assumption that the maps are a hoax. There's no hard evidence, no absolute proof. How can there be? You're also assuming that so-called or self-styled experts never make mistakes. The likelihood of this happening may be in the order of the number of cases in which an innocent person is wrongly convicted in courts in the free world, perhaps less, but this can nevertheless happen.

It's a serious risk to clear thinking and reasoning not to recognise this, and I feel that you shouldn't be falling foul of it. Also, I have no idea whether Kidd ever drew a treasure map, and I doubt anybody does, including you. Maybe he did but, admittedly, perhaps or probably not these!

You keep telling people that they're posting nonsense because you see no 'evidence' , and nor do your vaunted 'experts', but the truth is that you're not looking for potential evidence because you've previously dismissed the possibility of its existence due to assumption, prejudice and bias. Maybe you should be considering whether you're the one not thinking as clearly as you could or should be.
 
It's good to see you ask for evidence and not proof. That's progress. The evidence is in 231 years of failure. It's hard to argue with that.
I'd argue that the 231 years of failure may well be evidence that there's likely no treasure in the Money Pit or its vicinity, not that there never was a plan to deposit treasure somewhere else on the island. Who knows? Nobody on the island seems to be looking at all seriously into that possibility.
 
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Nobody on the island seems to being doing anything seriously, at all.
 
Perhaps an adjustment might be in order. There's mountains of assumption that the maps are a hoax. There's no hard evidence, no absolute proof. How can there be? You're also assuming that so-called or self-styled experts never make mistakes. The likelihood of this happening may be in the order of the number of cases in which an innocent person is wrongly convicted in courts in the free world, perhaps less, but this can nevertheless happen.
The idea the maps are genuine is a non-starter - pirate treasure maps are a literary invention and trope rather than historical reality. There is a consensus that pirate treasure maps are fiction among historians. Furthermore, pirates very rarely buried treasure (Kidd's buried treasure on Gardiner's Island is the only notable exception). A summary from the recent pirate exhibition at the National Maritime Museum: "While pirates certainly sought and captured valuable cargo, they almost never buried their treasure: they mainly spent it quickly. Pirates also didn’t make secret maps to help find buried treasure". Do you have any evidence to the contrary? No, of course not. There are converging lines of evidence the Kidd-Palmer maps were drawn in the early 20th century. This was already posted pages back. For example, one of the maps (the Sarah Kidd Map) was forensically examined and determined to have modern pencil marks under 'CHINA SEA' and on the compass rose:

The Metropolitan Police Laboratory
New Scotland Yard
London

9th August, 1951

The words 'China Sea' and the diagram indicating the points of the compass in red have obviously been inked in over pencil marks. In modern black lead (i.e. graphite) pencils clay is incorporated in the lead it would be a relatively simple matter to demonstrate the presence of this substance in the pencil marks on the questioned document.
Accompanying this letter by The Metropolitan Police Laboratory was a report by Wilson R. Harrison (M.Sc., Ph.D.), the Director of the Home Office Forensic Science Lab (South Wales and Monmouthshire) who examined the same map. He determined: "I have examined the colouring matter of the ink of the initials and date. This was not written with any of the coloured inks in use in the seventeenth century." He also stated: "in my opinion, the only conclusion which is justified on the evidence is that the initials W.K. were not signed by Captain Kidd and that other evidence points to the map being a comparatively recent production on what might very well be an old sheet of parchment."

True believers that Kidd drew the maps such as Paul Hawkins have argued that Elizabeth Dick gave a copy of the Sarah Kidd Map for the forensic examination. The problem, however, is the map is clearly described as a "parchment" in the police records: "One piece of parchment with drawing thereon". Secondly, a letter by one of Dick's associates dated 14 August 1951 is clear the map provided to police for inspection and forensic examination was the original and owned by Hubert Palmer before Dick inherited it (I have access to this letter). This disproves Hawkins. In your book you also argued that it might have been a copy. Nope. It was the original. Aside from this forensic evidence based on pencil marks and ink, Harrison concluded the map must have been modern based on the style of the cardinal points symbol on the map, which does not resemble the compass rose on maps from the 17th or 18th century.

The Kidd-Palmer maps have been studied by experts in cartography and paleography at the British Library, although they did not have access to an original map (like Harrison did) but copies, they determined the Kidd-Palmer maps were obviously not drawn in the 17th or 18th century based on the style of writing on the maps. A few of these experts were mentioned pages back notably Peter Barber, MA, FSA, FRHistS, Map Librarian, Map Library, The British Library:

When I came to the Map Library in 1987 I had spent 12 years in the Department of Manuscripts and had done extended courses in palaeography. In my last decade in Manuscripts I had also been increasingly involved with manuscript maps and charts. On the basis of this, and after consulting colleagues who specialise in palaeography I had come to the conclusion that these 'charts' were, in effect, not reconstructions or, if reconstructions, then so loosely based on originals as to be in effect new creations. My main reasons for reaching this conclusion were paleographic and contextual.
He also went on to say that the Kidd-Palmer maps are a "amalgam of elements from clichéd treasure maps" (Stevenson).

So there is historical, forensic, paleographic, and other evidence the maps are a hoax. Combined these independent lines of evidence all point toward the exact same conclusion. Furthermore, if the maps are a hoax we would expect their provenance not to date back or trace before the early 20th century. It is not a coincidence the maps cannot be shown to predate Arthur Cutler (who sold the maps to Palmer).

It's a serious risk to clear thinking and reasoning not to recognise this, and I feel that you shouldn't be falling foul of it. Also, I have no idea whether Kidd ever drew a treasure map, and I doubt anybody does, including you. Maybe he did but, admittedly, perhaps or probably not these!
Pirate treasure maps are a literary invention and trope. I can say I know Kidd never drew a treasure map since they were invented centuries after he died and were popularized by Robert Louise Stevenson in the late 19th century.

You keep telling people that they're posting nonsense because you see no 'evidence' , and nor do your vaunted 'experts', but the truth is that you're not looking for potential evidence because you've previously dismissed the possibility of its existence due to assumption, prejudice and bias. Maybe you should be considering whether you're the one not thinking as clearly as you could or should be.
Where is the evidence the maps are authentic and Kidd drew them? 47 pages and you/Randawg72 have presented nothing while ignoring all the contrary evidence. If I then claim (like any reasonable person) you are arguing in *censored*, I get reported. :icon_scratch:
 
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So pirate treasure maps don't exist? You may be shocked to learn that Barry Clifford found the Whydah Galley pirate ship in 1984 by using Cyprian Southack’s 1734 map showing the location of the wreck. (Thats 149 years before Treasure Island), While not drawn by Sam Bellamy, it is a verified historical example of a map with an 'X' marking the spot of a real authentic pirate treasure. So I guess that makes you wrong..
Again.

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So pirate treasure maps don't exist? You may be shocked to learn that Barry Clifford found the Whydah Galley pirate ship in 1984 by using Cyprian Southack’s 1734 map showing the location of the wreck. (Thats 149 years before Treasure Island), While not drawn by Sam Bellamy, it is a verified historical example of a map with an 'X' marking the spot of a real authentic pirate treasure. So I guess that makes you wrong..
Again.
Not drawn by a pirate. Shows the location of a shipwreck not buried treasure. Is there any evidence Barry Clifford even used the map? The general location of the wreck was always known - the Whydah was wrecked off the coast of Cape Cod on a sandbar fairly close (500-feet) to the shore and the local governor hired Cyprian Southack, a salvager and cartographer to reach the wreck and to recover anything valuable like gold that was onboard the ship. Prior to Southack, hundreds of people had already taken wreckage and items from the ship that were scattered along the shoreline. Beachcombers and treasure hunters in the early 20th century had also found things from the ship before Barry Clifford. In the 1940s, Edward Rowe Snow found some gold coins from Whydah (see Cape Cod Curiosities by Robin Smith-Johnson [2018]):

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Considering the general site of the shipwreck was always known, was Southack's map needed to find part of the wreck? In 1984, Clifford conducted a systematic survey of a two-square-mile area using a magnetometer to detect iron and found some cannons and the ship's bell which bore the inscription "The Whydah Gally 1716".

What you are doing is like comparing apples to oranges.

There are no authentic pirate treasure maps and the fact you cannot provide a single example speaks for itself.
 
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Pirate treasure maps in fiction (such as Stevenson's Treasure Island) tend to have the following similarities:

1. The map of a buried treasure was drawn or preserved by a member of a piratical crew (often a captain).
2. The map was passed to/found by an individual or small number of individuals (often shortly before the original map owner died such as on his deathbed) usually to a friend or former pirate shipmate.
3. The map contains riddles, clues, signs, or instructions to find the buried treasure.
4. The original (or early) map owner(s) was/were unwilling, unable or failed to return to the site of the buried treasure.
6. The individual or individuals who were passed/found the treasure map would search in vain for the treasure, before passing it on to someone else, or they got assistance from someone else, to take them to the buried treasure.
7. There are adverse individuals or groups trying to find the treasure as more people learn about the map.

When it comes to the Kidd-Palmer maps, you find the majority of these with the Hardy/Morgan Chests.

Concerning (7), this is actually found to some extent in Wilkins' literature (who quoted Palmer). According to Palmer, there was a group of men chasing Pamela Hardy for the chest (which had the treasure map) hence why she sold it to Arthur Cutler. This is mentioned in a few of Wilkins' articles. Although it does not appear to have been mentioned in his 1935 book. (1)-(2) is found in the pedigree note: the Hardy chest (the map was found in) is said to have been sealed by Kidd and passed to his shipmate Ned Ward. We also find (4) since Kidd according to the pedigree note did not want to reopen the chest because of some sort of a curse (hence this explains why in the story he did not use the map and return to the site of the buried treasure).
 
I will defend your right to believe whatever you like.
But didn't you say:
Pirate treasure maps are a literary invention and trope. I can say I know Kidd never drew a treasure map since they were invented centuries after he died and were popularized by Robert Louise Stevenson in the late 19th century.

Well Captain Samuel Bellamy was a pirate. And the map that was 'invented' in 1734 led Mr Clifford to a $400-Million pirate treasure did it not?
(PS: It's Robert Louis Stevenson).
 
Hi Cryptid,
You still haven't answered the question that I posed to you in post #926.
Why are you obsessing over the Kidd/Palmer charts?
You have dedicated a lot of your time and thousands of words discussing the charts. Including your "What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?" and the stagnant "series of about a dozen posts" on this site. That's a lot of effort spent considering you've repeatedly claimed that they are a "Hoax".
 
I will defend your right to believe whatever you like.
But didn't you say:


Well Captain Samuel Bellamy was a pirate. And the map that was 'invented' in 1734 led Mr Clifford to a $400-Million pirate treasure did it not?
(PS: It's Robert Louis Stevenson).
You know full well by 'pirate treasure map' I meant a map drawn by a pirate of a buried treasure.

My same post you quoted provided the context:

A summary from the recent pirate exhibition at the National Maritime Museum: "While pirates certainly sought and captured valuable cargo, they almost never buried their treasure: they mainly spent it quickly. Pirates also didn’t make secret maps to help find buried treasure".

Instead you posted a map drawn by a non-pirate of a shipwreck. 2 + 2 = 5?

I suspected you also posted false information about Clifford:

So pirate treasure maps don't exist? You may be shocked to learn that Barry Clifford found the Whydah Galley pirate ship in 1984 by using Cyprian Southack’s 1734 map showing the location of the wreck. (Thats 149 years before Treasure Island), While not drawn by Sam Bellamy, it is a verified historical example of a map with an 'X' marking the spot of a real authentic pirate treasure. So I guess that makes you wrong..
Again.
I now have the proof. I downloaded a PDF of Clifford's book Expedition Whydah.
Here is what he says on pages 44-45:
The need to find the exact spot where the ship lay was both a blessing and a curse. If the Whydah were in clear water or even in the type of location where it could be snagged with a net, then finding it would have beenno trick. The ship would also have been found already by someone else. Inthat sense, the curse of rough seas and a sandy grave was a blessing to me.Ablessing, that is, if I could find clues to her location.Since Southack was the only person to have written about the site of thewreck in 1717, the study of his work became my life. Copies of his maps were taped to the walls of my home office. One of the maps, from a zoology book in the Harvard University library, referred to Billingsgate as “theplace where I came through with a Whale Boat being ordered by the Governor to look after the Pirate Ship Whido Bellame Command cast away 26of April 1717 where I buried one Hundred and Two men Drowned.’ On the shoreline above Billingsgate is written, “The treasure ship Whido lost.” There is no X to mark the spot, only Southack’s crabbed writing over an area of the map that covers about ten miles of ocean. On either side of Southack’s charts I posted newer maps and aerial photos of the coast. They revealed little, other than the obvious fact that the Cape had bent substantially to the northwest in 250 years. Southack’s works howed a Cape that protruded like the arm of a muscleman flexing hisbiceps, east from Buzzard’s Bay at the bottom of Massachusetts and thendirectly north at a right angle, its end curling inward like a fist. Contemporary satellite photos show that wind and water erosion have tilted the Cape to the northwest.Wherever the Whydah was when she hit the shore, she wasnow at least two hundred feet farther out to sea.Day after day, and usually night after night, I pored over Southack’s letters and diary. At first, the old mapmaker’s handwriting was extremely difficult to read. Flourishes from capital letters collided with other letters onother lines, his spelling was bad, and his syntax was all off. Reading him wasat first painfully difficult, but gradually it became second nature.As I read his work over and over, I began to pick up on certain geographical reference points. I would then mark these points on the maps withcolored pins. For example, on May 4 Southack wrote of pieces of cable that he hadtransported from the site of the Whydah to a boat moored in a bayside town.Taking the cable to a vessel on the seaboard side would have been too dangerous because there was “no harbor in 25 miles of the wreck.” By examining his map I could see that Cape Cod Harbor, now known asProvincetown Harbor, was twenty-five miles away from Eastham Beach (inan area now known as Marconi Beach). I drew a line from Provincetownto Eastham that represented twenty-five miles and pushed in a pin. I did thesame on a number of the wall maps.Another entry referred to the wreck being three and one-half miles fromBillingsgate. I was able to locate Billingsgate on Southack’s map, but it wasmissing from all of the others.A victim of the Cape’s shifting shape, Billingsgate had sunk more than a hundred years ago. The last reference I saw tothis submerged town was in Thoreau’s book Cape Cod, in a passage whereEastham locals were telling him how the Cape had changed shape over theyears.
No "X marks the spot" nor did the map you post lead to the discovery of the shipwreck (you made that up). Rather, Clifford read Southack's letters and diary to identify certain geographical markers. The map by itself was pretty much useless because as Clifford noted the site of the shipwreck contained: "Southack’s crabbed writing over an area of the map that covers about ten miles of ocean". That area was already known as the general site of the wreckage, and cargo or parts of the ship were washed ashore, and were spotted out at sea. David Thoreau wrote in 1793 about part of the Whydah shipwreck being observed by the citizens of Cape Cod. “At times to this day,” he was told, “the violence of the seas moves the sands on the outer bar, so that at times the iron caboose of the ship atlow tide has been seen".

Well Captain Samuel Bellamy was a pirate. And the map that was 'invented' in 1734 led Mr Clifford to a $400-Million pirate treasure did it not?
No. See above.
(PS: It's Robert Louis Stevenson).

Whereas I have repeatedly disproven your claims (like above) all you can do is point out a trivial typing error.
 
Hi Cryptid,
You still haven't answered the question that I posed to you in post #926.
Why are you obsessing over the Kidd/Palmer charts?
You have dedicated a lot of your time and thousands of words discussing the charts. Including your "What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?" and the stagnant "series of about a dozen posts" on this site. That's a lot of effort spent considering you've repeatedly claimed that they are a "Hoax".
I already explained what the Kidd-Palmer maps likely are but virtually no one listened. The problem is most posters here have a pre-conceived idea about the treasure and location of the island depicted on the maps so they are not interested in anything aside from their own pet theory and delusions (Crow touched upon this). We have seen this time and time again in these threads. Based on what people have posted here we are expected to believe:

1. Oak Island Sage: Captain Kidd drew a treasure map, traveled to Oak Island with Henry Avery, deposited a treasure underground and this somehow involved gold from the Knights Templar.
2. Randawg72: Captain Kidd drew the Kidd-Palmer maps and the treasure is buried on an island (you have not disclosed where).
3. CapnGeorge: Wilkins drew the Kidd Palmer maps but wrote instructions to a treasure on an exotic atoll from an "Anson File".
4. Gjb: The Kidd-Palmer maps and Wilkins' maps are a set of different instructions that have to be combined that lead to a buried treasure on Oak Island (although not in the money pit but somewhere else on the island).

If I post strong criticism or harsh words to describe all this utter nonsense I get reported, legally threatened, or I am described as not being "open minded enough" despite (1)-(4) have as much validity as flat-earthism or germ theory denialism. There is not much point in me explaining in detail, what the Kidd-Palmer maps actually are, when whatever I say will be ignored (as previously). But what amuses me most, is you cannot even agree among yourselves which one of your absurd pet theories is correct.
 
No "X marks the spot" nor did the map you post lead to the discovery of the shipwreck (you made that up).
OK an 'arrow' marks the spot. You are the King of splitting hairs.
Go to 6:05 on this video to see that you're wrong.
(Again..)

Link:
 
It does give a clue to Edward Roe Snow, who obtained the name from on his map. I confess I have mixed opinions about Edward Rowe Snow. He was, as it now appears, knowledgeable but still a bit of a showman.
Crow
Snow never substantiated the Isle Haute treasure map (he bought) was drawn by the pirate Edward Low (aka Ned Low). An article was published in the 21 July 1952 issue of Life Magazine with a photograph of the map including a spot labelled “The Place” (to dig for treasure). He said he found eight gold coins and a skeleton at the location on the map. The whole thing looks like a hoax. Why did he not give the map to an expert to examine and to verify if it is authentic? Why did he not even disclose who he bought it from?

Local people also doubted Snow's claims:
Advocate’s [Harbour] townspeople told The Amherst Daily News that “the consensus of opinion seems to be that Mr. Snow did not stay on the Island long enough to search properly, and would not show his find to any people in Advocate.” They believed it was not a pirate’s skeleton, but a sheep’s.
Snow seems to have hinted at the hoax himself and once said: “The real money in treasure hunting wasn’t in finding treasure but in publishing books about the hunt". He published at least two books that discussed the Isle Haute treasure map and obviously made considerable money from the publicity (such as in Life Magazine) and his books. All claims of maps drawn by pirates of buried treasure are either proven hoaxes or are highly dubious to say the least like the Isle Haute treasure map. None have ever been verified as authentic.

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