The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

[BennyV]

Unfortunately no. Lizard Island, Australia, is a resort island in Queensland. I am heading south in the Tasman Sea. I am at Jervis Bay at present; check out the old wreck.

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My internet is bad today. It's been a stinker; I think we are due for a thunderstorm.

Crow

Very cool. Looks like a tetanus shot in the making 😂

What lizard is he referring to then?

Safe travels!

 

[BennyV]

Historian E. T. Fox seems to have actually accessed the original document from 1707 (as there are expressions that are not included in the 1922 edition).

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https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/articles/thesis/_Piratical_Schemes_and_Contracts_Pirate_Articles_and_Their_Society_1660-1730/29701832?file=56710925

I was also able to find the following document.

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What I take issue with regarding this document is not its content, but its authenticity. As I will show below, it is based on another document written by an associate of a man known to be a fraudster. Therefore, its credibility cannot be considered high.

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Nevertheless, would it not at least serve as evidence that the concept of pirates burying treasure existed as early as 1707?

I think people in general buried “treasure” during times of chaos or for safekeeping from others. Look at all these hordes found throughout Europe of ancient coins.

I find it amusing when people speak in absolutes, ie “A pirate has never buried treasure, ever”. I find folks who speak in absolutes have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about or little actual experience besides regurgitating what they read from someone else who also speaks in absolutes.

The fact is no one knows what’s out there and who buried it. So regardless of what anyone has to say on here, the advice & opinions are worth what you paid for it, absolutely nothing.

 

[Crow]

Okay, here is an update on the 1700 Avery document.

I found the reference in the Archives of Scotland; you can ask for a copy of the original
She appears in the following background: "Papers of the Hamilton-Bruce family of Grange Hill and Falkland"
The copy was made on paper made in 1806, as indicated by the watermark embedded in it. So the copy is not earlier than 1806.

This document, as you can see, is not the original document but a copy. It is not 18th century. I stand corrected in my speculation. The document was in the Papers of the Hamilton-Bruce family of Grange Hill and Falkland

Source Country code : GB
Repository code : 234
Organization : NAS
Repository: National Records of Scotland
Reference : GD152/160

Copy memorandum on ‘Avery the Pirate’ and copy letter (27 Dec 1700) by him in cipher addressed to ‘Rev James Richardson at the library
over : against Orenge Street, St Martin’s-in-the-Fields, London’, with note : annexed of treasure-filled chests
Dates: [c1806]

Access status : Open
Level : Item

So, conclusion: the 1700 document, post-1806 document which states it's a copy of an earlier dated 1700 letter
addressed to ‘Rev James Richardson at the library over: against Orange Street, St Martin’s-in-the-Fields, London, It could be, but we cannot prove it beyond doubt.

So it is not indisputable evidence of what was said in 1700 because it's a copy of an alleged earlier correspondence over 100 years later.

So, to fully clarify, to prove or disprove the items of buried and alleged treasure attributed to Avery, we must find the original documents in the State Papers Online database.

February 22 Letter: Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).
February 7 Letter: Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).
May 27 letter: Reference code. Sp 44/101/163 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 101, Page 163).

Unfortunately, I am at sea. Riding out heavy weather, and it's not high up on my list of priorities


Crow

 

[BennyV]

Okay, here is an update on the 1700 Avery document.

I found the reference in the Archives of Scotland; you can ask for a copy of the original
She appears in the following background: "Papers of the Hamilton-Bruce family of Grange Hill and Falkland"
The copy was made on paper made in 1806, as indicated by the watermark embedded in it. So the copy is not earlier than 1806.

This document, as you can see, is not the original document but a copy. It is not 18th century. I stand corrected in my speculation. The document was in the Papers of the Hamilton-Bruce family of Grange Hill and Falkland

Source Country code : GB
Repository code : 234
Organization : NAS
Repository: National Records of Scotland
Reference : GD152/160

Copy memorandum on ‘Avery the Pirate’ and copy letter (27 Dec 1700) by him in cipher addressed to ‘Rev James Richardson at the library
over : against Orenge Street, St Martin’s-in-the-Fields, London’, with note : annexed of treasure-filled chests
Dates: [c1806]

Access status : Open
Level : Item

So, conclusion: the 1700 document, post-1806 document which states it's a copy of an earlier dated 1700 letter
addressed to ‘Rev James Richardson at the library over: against Orange Street, St Martin’s-in-the-Fields, London, It could be, but we cannot prove it beyond doubt.

So it is not indisputable evidence of what was said in 1700 because it's a copy of an alleged earlier correspondence over 100 years later.

So, to fully clarify, to prove or disprove the items of buried and alleged treasure attributed to Avery, we must find the original documents in the State Papers Online database.

February 22 Letter: Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).
February 7 Letter: Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).
May 27 letter: Reference code. Sp 44/101/163 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 101, Page 163).

Unfortunately, I am at sea. Riding out heavy weather, and it's not high up on my list of priorities


Crow

Fair winds and following seas.