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The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

Who said that he did? The stone marker on Gardiner's says: "Capt Kidd's treasure was bur-ied in this hollow and recovered 1699". How do you know that some of Kidd's men, or John Gardiner himself did not bury it? ..You don't. And why is it such an "Aha" subject for you? Kidd never (to my knowledge) said that he buried any treasure.
History operates in terms of degrees of evidential confidence rather than absolute certainty. The cumulative evidential silence in John Gardiner's sworn deposition, Kidd's own subsequent testimony, and Lord Bellomont's correspondence concerning the recovery of the treasure Kidd had entrusted to Gardiner provides historical proof that this treasure was not buried (by "proof" I mean very high confidence not certainty). If the treasure had been buried and dug up, one would reasonably expect some reference to its burial, concealment or excavation in at least one of these historical sources. Yet none contains such a reference. Instead, they consistently describe the property as having been left with Gardiner, kept by him, brought away and delivered to the authorities. In that evidential context, the cumulative silence concerning any burial is itself probative and strongly supports the conclusion that the treasure was never buried. Gardiner brought the treasure (Kidd gave him) to Boston, where the authorities received and inventoried it. Throughout these documents concerning the inventory, the language used is consistently that of custody and transfer: the property was “left,” “kept,” “delivered,” “brought away” and “seized.” There is no reference (not in the slightest) to the property having being “buried,” “concealed,” “dug up” or “excavated.” So aside from the cumulative evidential silence, the wording of the documents describes a chain of custody/recovery that is inconsistent with the idea the recovered treasure had ever been buried.

He wrote: "I have lodged goods and Treasure to the value of one hundred thousand pounds..". The only hint that Kidd may have buried some of his treasure is written on the Yunnan Parchment: "Ator Near 2 ft͟ Deep..". Which is a logical assumption, as leaving treasure sitting uncovered and unprotected in a cave would not be very secure.
You have to put that sentence in context of other sources that make clear he meant the Quedagh Merchant (Adventure Prize):

DateValuationSource/context
19 June 1699£30,000Emmot reporting what Kidd had told Bellomont
26 July 1699£30,000+Bellomont repeating Emmot's account
5 Jan. 1700£50,000–£60,000Kidd's later valuation
12 May 1701£100,000Kidd's letter to Robert Harley

These can be read here. It seems obvious that the changing numbers were a deliberate bargaining tactic by Kidd. He used the hidden Quedagh Merchant as leverage to avoid prison and the gallows; as his situation grew more desperate, he continuously inflated the value of the ship's cargo to tempt the authorities into sparing his life so he could guide them to it.

Summary:
  • 19 June 1699 (£30,000): Kidd was trying to negotiate a safe return with his backer, Richard Coote, the Earl of Bellomont. At this stage, he estimated the cargo at £30,000. Lord Bellomont referenced this £30,000 figure in his 26 July 1699, dispatch to the Council of Trade and Plantations in London, after having Kidd arrested on 6 July 1699.
  • 5 January 1700 (£50,000–£60,000): By this point, Kidd had been in a Boston jail for months and was about to be shipped back to London in chains aboard the HMS Advice. To delay his deportation and try to secure his release, he doubled the promised value of the goods and treasure from £30,000 to up to £60,000.
  • 12 May 1701 (£100,000): Kidd had been tried, convicted of murder and piracy, and sentenced to hang. On May 12, 1701, 11 days before his execution, Kidd wrote a final letter to Robert Harley, the Speaker of the House of Commons now claiming that the treasure was worth £100,000.

The reality is there was no lodged treasure since reliable reports reached Bellomont that the ship had been emptied and burned. As I said in a previous comment, if you want to find an actual buried or hidden treasure using clues, puzzles and maps, try solving an armchair treasure hunt where you know from the outset that there is an actual treasure or prize to be found, not waste time clinging to a belief in a non-existent treasure. Some people may not think armchair treasure hunts have the same thrill as searching for 17th or 18th century pirate treasure because they lack romance and adventure of that period. Yet the popular image of pirates deliberately burying treasure and drawing "X marks the spot" maps is itself a later fictional literary trope; one that developed during the Victorian period, rather than a well-established feature of historical pirate practice. However, there are still some genuinely challenging and unsolved armchair treasure hunts, including hunts that have been sitting unsolved for many decades and those like The Secret (1982) retain an old-fashioned sense of mystery.
 
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Decent newspaper article published in 1909.

EXPLODING THE MYTHS OF CAPTAIN KIDD

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Fanciful stories have been told of Kidd's visit to Gardiner's Island and his burial of treasure there. The only authentic account of his visit there is in the testimony of John Gardiner, given under oath at Boston about three weeks after Kidd's visit. It makes no mention of the treasure having been buried.
 
History operates in terms of degrees of evidential confidence rather than absolute certainty. The cumulative evidential silence in John Gardiner's sworn deposition, Kidd's own subsequent testimony, and Lord Bellomont's correspondence concerning the recovery of the treasure Kidd had entrusted to Gardiner provides historical proof that this treasure was not buried (by "proof" I mean very high confidence not certainty). If the treasure had been buried and dug up, one would reasonably expect some reference to its burial, concealment or excavation in at least one of these historical sources. Yet none contains such a reference. Instead, they consistently describe the property as having been left with Gardiner, kept by him, brought away and delivered to the authorities. In that evidential context, the cumulative silence concerning any burial is itself probative and strongly supports the conclusion that the treasure was never buried. Gardiner brought the treasure (Kidd gave him) to Boston, where the authorities received and inventoried it. Throughout these documents concerning the inventory, the language used is consistently that of custody and transfer: the property was “left,” “kept,” “delivered,” “brought away” and “seized.” There is no reference (not in the slightest) to the property having being “buried,” “concealed,” “dug up” or “excavated.” So aside from the cumulative evidential silence, the wording of the documents describes a chain of custody/recovery that is inconsistent with the idea the recovered treasure had ever been buried.


You have to put that sentence in context of other sources that make clear he meant the Quedagh Merchant (Adventure Prize):

DateValuationSource/context
19 June 1699£30,000Emmot reporting what Kidd had told Bellomont
26 July 1699£30,000+Bellomont repeating Emmot's account
5 Jan. 1700£50,000–£60,000Kidd's later valuation
12 May 1701£100,000Kidd's letter to Robert Harley

These can be read here. It seems obvious that the changing numbers were a deliberate bargaining tactic by Kidd. He used the hidden Quedagh Merchant as leverage to avoid prison and the gallows; as his situation grew more desperate, he continuously inflated the value of the ship's cargo to tempt the authorities into sparing his life so he could guide them to it.

Summary:
  • 19 June 1699 (£30,000): Kidd was trying to negotiate a safe return with his backer, Richard Coote, the Earl of Bellomont. At this stage, he estimated the cargo at £30,000. Lord Bellomont referenced this £30,000 figure in his 26 July 1699, dispatch to the Council of Trade and Plantations in London, after having Kidd arrested on 6 July 1699.
  • 5 January 1700 (£50,000–£60,000): By this point, Kidd had been in a Boston jail for months and was about to be shipped back to London in chains aboard the HMS Advice. To delay his deportation and try to secure his release, he doubled the promised value of the goods and treasure from £30,000 to up to £60,000.
  • 12 May 1701 (£100,000): Kidd had been tried, convicted of murder and piracy, and sentenced to hang. On May 12, 1701, 11 days before his execution, Kidd wrote a final letter to Robert Harley, the Speaker of the House of Commons now claiming that the treasure was worth £100,000.

The reality is there was no lodged treasure since reliable reports reached Bellomont that the ship had been emptied and burned. As I said in a previous comment, if you want to find an actual buried or hidden treasure using clues, puzzles and maps, try solving an armchair treasure hunt where you know from the outset that there is an actual treasure or prize to be found, not waste time clinging to a belief in a non-existent treasure. Some people may not think armchair treasure hunts have the same thrill as searching for 17th or 18th century pirate treasure because they lack romance and adventure of that period. Yet the popular image of pirates deliberately burying treasure and drawing "X marks the spot" maps is itself a later fictional literary trope; one that developed during the Victorian period, rather than a well-established feature of historical pirate practice. However, there are still some genuinely challenging and unsolved armchair treasure hunts, including hunts that have been sitting unsolved for many decades and those like The Secret (1982) retain an old-fashioned sense of mystery.
I wonder if the inflation of the numbers really was based on.I could imagine that he hold back on some part which he had set aside to pay his powerful backers. Only when it became more and more clear that they wouldn't help him he changed to deliver the whole treasure (Avery's - this is the only way he could have got 100k).

In any case changing the numbers would cut into his credibility - not wise in the situation he got himself into!
 
Cryptids focus on the word "buried" as supposed proof that no treasure was left on Gardiner's island is very misleading. Read for yourself the sworn testimonies of John Gardiner and Robert Livingston from the official court record of Kidd's trial:

": And the said Kidd desired this Narrator to take on shore with him, and keep for him, the said Kidd and Order, a Chest, and a Box of Gold, and a Bundle of Quilts, and Four Bales of Goods; which Box of Gold, the said Kidd told the Narrator, was intended for My Lord ; and the Narrator complied with the said Kidd’s* Bequest, and took on shore the said Chest, Box of Gold, Quilts, and Bales of Goods.

“ And the Narrator further saith, That Two of Kidd’s Crew, who went by the Names of Cook and Parrot, delivered to him, the Narrator, Two Bags of Silver; which, they told the Narrator, weighed Thirty Pound Weight ; for which he gave Receipt : And that another of Kidd’s Men delivered to the Narrator a small bundle of Gold, and Gold Dust, of about a Pound Weight, to keep for him; and did also present the Narrator with a Sash, and a Pair of Worsted Stockings : And just before the Sloop sailed, Captain Kidd presented the Narrator with a Bag of Sugar; and then took Leave, and sailed for Boston.

“ And the Narrator further saith, That he knew nothing of Kidd’s being proclaimed a Pirate; and if he had, he durst not have acted otherwise than 'he has done, having no Force to oppose them; and for that he hath formerly been threatened to be killed by Privateers, if he should carry unkindly of them.

“ John Gardiner."
(P. 216)

"He (Kidd) was forced thereto;* his -.men would otherwaise have run the Sloop on shore: And likewise acknowledged. That he had given Mr. Duncan Campbell 100 Pieces of 8, when he was on board his Sloop at Rhode Island : And knows no further Embezzlement, or Disposal, made by the said Kidd, his Company, or Accomplices, of any Goods, Gold, Money, or Treasure whatsoever, saving that the said Kidd did yesterday acknowledge to this Narrator, That the Gold before-mentioned was hid upon Gardner’s Island : He believed, there was about Forty Pound Weight of it; and that, in the same Box with it, there was about 3 or 400 Pieces of 8, and some Pieces of Plate.."

“ Robert Livingston.”
(P. 218)
 
Yes, anyone can read there is no mention of buried treasure in any of the court records. Thanks for proving my point. Rumours and stories that Kidd (or his shipmates) buried treasure on Gardiner island or somewhere else, were first told a century after his death and they were influenced by late Georgian and especially Victorian literary fiction (1837-1901) that romantised pirates. 17th and 18th-century literature often portrayed pirates as criminals, dim-witted and wicked, but during the 19th century this changed increasingly to transform pirates into adventurous and highly charismatic figures, who even if villainous were portrayed as likeable, intelligent and courageous. The literary trope of a pirate treasure map ("X marks the spot") emerged and developed during this period, as pirate narratives shifted from accounts of maritime violence or plundering towards romantic adventure fiction. In 1724, the book A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates was published. Despite being one of the most important early sources on pirates, its account of Kidd* does not state that he buried or hid any treasure. In fact, nor do any of the Kidd ballads that were written shortly after Kidd died (for example, Captain Kid's Farewel to the Seas, or the Famous Pirate's Lament, 1701). There is a gap of about 100 years before the first stories Kidd (or his crew) buried treasure. Gardiner family stories that Kidd's treasure was buried did not appear in literature until 1809 (J. L. Gardiner's memorandum book).

*"The Life of Captain Kidd" was included in the 1726 expanded edition.
 
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In any case it makes no sense to start a treasure hunt based on any of those maps. They only authentic document I know of that indicates a buried treasure (by Kidd from Every's hidden cache) is the Kresen Kernow document.
Very interesting but as I suspected, this document is not 16th-17th century but 19th century. Although the Cornwall Record Office catalogue records it as "n.d." (undated), another source states 19th century and this is suggested by a pencil marking "1854" near the top right corner, as well as the handwriting style. It is very likely to have been influenced by 19th century pirate fiction. The motif of pirates burying treasure was largely cemented in the public imagination between the 1820s and 1840s by Washington Irving's Tales of a Traveller (1824), Edgar Allan Poe's The Gold-Bug (1843) and James Fenimore Cooper's The Sea Lions (1849), decades before R. L. Stevenson's Treasure Island. Cooper's novel was one of the earliest to include a pirate treasure map, shifting the trope from a parchment containing a cryptographic clue (Poe) to nautical cartography. The narrative is set in motion by a dying sailor—a plot device that would later become a defining staple of the genre—who leaves behind two old charts, one which leads characters towards a remote island to the location of buried treasure.
 
Very interesting but as I suspected, this document is not 16th-17th century but 19th century. Although the Cornwall Record Office catalogue records it as "n.d." (undated), another source states 19th century and this is suggested by a pencil marking "1854" near the top right corner, as well as the handwriting style. It is very likely to have been influenced by 19th century pirate fiction. The motif of pirates burying treasure was largely cemented in the public imagination between the 1820s and 1840s by Washington Irving's Tales of a Traveller (1824), Edgar Allan Poe's The Gold-Bug (1843) and James Fenimore Cooper's The Sea Lions (1849), decades before R. L. Stevenson's Treasure Island. Cooper's novel was one of the earliest to include a pirate treasure map, shifting the trope from a parchment containing a cryptographic clue (Poe) to nautical cartography. The narrative is set in motion by a dying sailor—a plot device that would later become a defining staple of the genre—who leaves behind two old charts, one which leads characters towards a remote island to the location of buried treasure.
The document "[Watermark on paper 1818]" is clearly a copy of an earlier document but there have been various documented searches at the Lizard and beyond in the 18th century probably based on this information. This and the archives reputation makes this document as authentic as it can get. I guess this one is actually the starting point for Treasure Island and everything that came after it.

Best read Crow's posts about the document and those searches: https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/
 
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This is the most revealing image of the Sarah Kidd map. As already stated elsewhere, this pic is a photo of the actual chart rather than a redrawn copy. This version shows the most detailed topography of Kidd's island, with its central mountain ridge and paths or roads running north to south clearly defined. Also the last letter is not the bold 'W' as highlighted in the traced copy but instead has been left naturally faded and open to interpretation. And I believe that the 1669 date was mis-written and intended to be 1696.

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A lot of the validation for my findings comes from the Coral Island map. Compare the features above with the direction of the dotted lines and the location of the hills on the Coral map. The X's do not align, but this fits with the theory that the treasure may have been hidden in more than one location. Palmer had the wax, ink, and parchment of these charts scientifically tested by experts to confirm their 17th Century origin. And the handwriting on (the original of) this map was compared to known Kidd examples and verified by the Public Records Office.
(Seems a little strange that someone would add that obscure offshore rock to the south if they were drawing a fake map?)
While the written directions are a little confusing, the terrain and landmarks conform spot on to (my) Kidd's island.
 
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This is the most revealing image of the Sarah Kidd map. As already stated elsewhere, this pic is a photo of the actual chart rather than a redrawn copy. This version shows the most detailed topography of Kidd's island, with its central mountain ridge and paths or roads running north to south clearly defined. Also the last letter is not the bold 'W' as highlighted in the traced copy but instead has been left naturally faded and open to interpretation. And I believe that the 1669 date was mis-written and intended to be 1696.
I agree that this is probably the only photo of the real map. It has a different handwriting - explained by the fact that the others were redrawn by Guy Palmer with his handwriting on them. The fact is that the handwriting on this map looks similar to the RI map and also the outline of the island is almost the same as I have shown before. A fact that does re-enforce Cyptid's theory that RI is the original.

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A lot of the validation for my findings comes from the Coral Island map. Compare the features above with the direction of the dotted lines and the location of the hills on the Coral map. The X's do not align, but this fits with the theory that the treasure may have been hidden in more than one location.
Actually the X's do perfectly align if you take the Sarah and Skeleton maps as showing the central part disproportionately larger then the rest. Especially the Skeleton map doesn't use a proportionally direction as the distances between all the stroke lines are given in 55ft and 20ft which is clearly to small to be drawn on a proportional drawn map of a ca 1mile large island.
Palmer had the wax, ink, and parchment of these charts scientifically tested by experts to confirm their 17th Century origin. And the handwriting on (the original of) this map was compared to known Kidd examples and verified by the Public Records Office.
There has never been any confirmation of those claims as far as I know.
(Seems a little strange that someone would add that obscure offshore rock to the south if they were drawing a fake map?)
While the written directions are a little confusing, the terrain and landmarks conform spot on to (my) Kidd's island.
I commented on this before that there is no real explanation of those differences to the RI map from if you assume RI was first.
 
The document "[Watermark on paper 1818]" is clearly a copy of an earlier document but there have been various documented searches at the Lizard and beyond in the 18th century probably based on this information. This and the archives reputation makes this document as authentic as it can get. I guess this one is actually the starting point for Treasure Island and everything that came after it.

Best read Crow's posts about the document and those searches: https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/
I cannot find any source on the document having a watermark or the 1818 date. The year 1854 was written on the document in pencil. Based on what the document says and its handwriting style, I would date it to the mid-19th century. Specific details of the document heavily mirror Victorian adventure romance/pirate fiction. We will disagree on Avery, but my viewpoint is, for the same reason as Captain Kidd, there is no buried treasure to be found because (a) the stories about Avery burying or hiding treasure were first told a century after his death so they have no historical basis and (b) were influenced by Victorian adventure romance. In the other thread, there is mention of a man, John Knill.

Some literary sources claim that Knill was searching for Avery's treasure hidden treasure in a cave in the 1770s. This is not verifiable. The biographical pamphlet Note of John Knill 1733-1811, was not published until 1871. The earliest literary source I could find that mentions Knill was searching for Avery's treasure is dated 1848 (Rev. C. A. Johns, Week at the Lizard):

Going along the coast from Breage to the Lizard the solitary church of Gunwalloe is passed, built so close to the sea that the waves wash its graveyard walls. It is said to have been erected as a thank-offering by some man who escaped drowning when shipwrecked. "In the sand-banks near it (or, as others say, at Kennack cove), the notorious buccaneer Avery is reported to have buried several chests of treasure previously to his leaving England on the voyage from which he never returned. So strongly did this opinion prevail that Mr. John Knill, collector of the Customs at St. Ives, procured about the year 1770 a grant of treasure trove, and expended some money in a fruitless search."
 
Palmer had the wax, ink, and parchment of these charts scientifically tested by experts to confirm their 17th Century origin. And the handwriting on (the original of) this map was compared to known Kidd examples and verified by the Public Records Office.
None of this happened and you will not be able to substantiate these dubious claims. Palmer in his correspondence to Wilkins made clear he had none of the maps tested and none of the handwriting (namely Kidd's initials) on the maps was ever verified by the Public Records Office.
 
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I agree that this is probably the only photo of the real map.
It is from a 1951 police file in the National Archives (I own a digital copy of the file). Elizabeth Dick gave the original so-called Sarah Kidd parchment to the police for forensic testing and examination. The Metropolitan Police Laboratory determined: (a) the parchment had modern pencil marks under the ink and (b) the "ink used contains a dye stuff which is indistinguishable in all respects from Eosin an aniline dye which was first produced about two hundred years after Kidd was hanged" (exact quote), but they could not determine the age of the parchment (although it would not surprise me if it was 17th or 18th century). A forger wanting to trick someone into thinking a map was from the 1600s or early 1700s could easily get hold of a sheet of genuine 17th-century or 18th-century parchment, and write on it. The medium itself might genuinely be hundreds of years old, but modern chemical analysis of the ink (like finding modern aniline dyes) will instantly expose the forgery. Post-1951, Dick stated (quoted in newspapers) she no longer was going on another treasure hunting expedition and she lost interest in the maps. By that point she knew the maps were fake as the police would have informed her of the forensic testing.
 
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I cannot find any source on the document having a watermark or the 1818 date. The year 1854 was written on the document in pencil. Based on what the document says and its handwriting style, I would date it to the mid-19th century. Specific details of the document heavily mirror Victorian adventure romance/pirate fiction. We will disagree on Avery, but my viewpoint is, for the same reason as Captain Kidd, there is no buried treasure to be found because (a) the stories about Avery burying or hiding treasure were first told a century after his death so they have no historical basis and (b) were influenced by Victorian adventure romance. In the other thread, there is mention of a man, John Knill.

Some literary sources claim that Knill was searching for Avery's treasure hidden treasure in a cave in the 1770s. This is not verifiable. The biographical pamphlet Note of John Knill 1733-1811, was not published until 1871. The earliest literary source I could find that mentions Knill was searching for Avery's treasure is dated 1848 (Rev. C. A. Johns, Week at the Lizard):
"1818" in the same link you posted a few post above: https://kresenkernow.org/SOAP/detail/dffa8491-9074-4b00-b593-ff852fafe1a9/ - you overlooked it...

regarding the searches read from https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/post-7266809

In any case you may dismiss that document as fake but there is no prove - it is in any case much earlier than all those maps and I can see nothing that points to a fake in them.
 
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"1818" in the same link you posted a few post above: https://kresenkernow.org/SOAP/detail/dffa8491-9074-4b00-b593-ff852fafe1a9/ - you overlooked it...

regarding the searches read from https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/in-search-of-captain-averys-treasure.695054/post-7266809

In any case you may dismiss that document as fake but there is no prove - it is in any case much earlier than all those maps and I can see nothing that points to a fake in them.
There are two digital scans of the same document (J 2277) from Kresen Kernow (Cornwall's archive centre); see here and here. One of these includes a small mark/pencil annotation (top right): 1854 (?). Both include some French words (line 5) and the word "cove" is written in pencil above line 5. Below line 5, there is also small penciled note: "now nearly overgrown with furze & grass".

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Although I cannot see any watermark on either of these digital scans, historical watermarks were often embedded directly inside the physical texture of the paper during manufacturing and would be generally invisible in a digital scan (unless the document when scanned was backlit by a specialised light). So I presume there is a 1818 watermark on the document and the archival cataloguers (who have handled and examined the document) are not likely to have made this error, so thanks for the correction. In the first quarter of the 19th century (1800-1825), romanticised fiction about pirates and buried treasure was just beginning to emerge, laying groundwork for later classics like Edgar Allan Poe’s The Gold-Bug (1843). Washington Irving was one of the earliest romanticisers during this period (1824). My view remains that the 1818 document was relying on pirate fiction, however, prior to Irving and Walter Scott's The Pirate (1821), fiction about pirates was almost entirely confined to poetry, broadside ballads, and so-called chapbooks (pamphlets). Full-length novels about pirates were very rare before the 1820s. No 18th century literary source mentions Avery buried or hid treasure; 18th century embellished stories instead either described Avery as a "Pirate King" who sailed to Madagascar with his Mughal fortune, and spent his money ruling his own kingdom or claimed he returned to England in secret and was cheated out of his money, dying penniless and in poverty. Both these narratives themselves are of questionable historical reliability and improbable, so when you look at the 1818 document claiming that Avery buried three chests of gold and jewels, it becomes far more plausible to see it as a product of early 19th-century romantic imagination.

The annual magazine Fathom of the National Maritime Museum Cornwall in 2023 (issue 7) published the following information on the document (p. 27) for their Pirates exhibition:

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Hello Cryptid 1990

Your conclusion about the alleged Avery documents is a little premature. Your words below.

Both these narratives themselves are of questionable historical reliability and improbable, so when you look at the 1818 document claiming that Avery buried three chests of gold and jewels, it becomes far more plausible to see it as a product of early 19th-century romantic imagination.


IS that fact or an assumption? The problem I have is that you have committed a cardinal sin: procrastinating about others about confirmation bias, but dismissing it on the assumption of your own predetermined narrative without determining the authenticity of documents in question. Isn't that confirmation bias?

That case you presented on questioning the authenticity of the Scottish document is based on the following claims:

Historical Skepticism: Many historians and researchers have questioned the letter's authenticity. Critics note several inconsistencies:

1 Henry Avery historically spelled his name with an "E" (Every), not an "Avery".

That assumption is based on a document, British Library IOR/E/3/50 f 354 : 28 Feb 1695 - seems like this was written by a scribe and not Every himself. Please see link. Every pirate letter (Reddit source). So criticism 1 is questionable. At least an official clarification of the document from the British Library that the handwriting is of the pirate. My guess is they will have no answer to that.

2 Pirates of that era rarely referred to themselves as "pirates" or signed their real names to intelligence/spy correspondence.

There is no evidence that Avery or Every could even read or write. So these letters were either dictated or written by others writing about treasure connected Avery or Every. So criticism 2 does not credit or discredit the documents.

3 The document is marked as a "Copy" and dates from around 1700, several years after his supposed disappearance.

Since the document, like all the others, has never seen by the hand of Avery. I am still interested in confirming the age of the document in question. But that requires clarification on the age of the paper: Scottish Records Office. Without that being verified. At least it will help give an approximate age of the document in question. So Criticism 3 is weak also.

So the three above key criticisms of the Scottish Records Office document being fake are weak. But it does still not prove the documents are legitimate either.

Others claimed Dr Sean Kingsley's conclusion was based on the authenticity of the document. Which, funny enough, I agree with you, as Kingsley never tried to authenticate the age of the paper on the documents. So he is guilty himself of confirmation bias. However, he does have credentials.

Dr Sean Kingsley, Director of Wreck Watch & the Centre for East-West Maritime Exploration. Sean has over 25 years of experience working in marine archaeology, specialising in the recording and interpretation of shipwrecks, harbours, pottery and trade patterns. With a doctorate from Oxford University, and as a former visiting research fellow of Reading University, he has consulted as far a field as Montenegro and Israel, where he discovered the largest concentration of shipwrecks in the Eastern Mediterranean in the ‘Solomonic’ port of Dor. He has worked in ancient harbours containing material culture varying in date from 1800 BC to the modern day and on Canaanite, Phoenician, Roman, Byzantine, Crusader, medieval and post-medieval wrecks. Sean specialises in Late Antique, Near Eastern, marine archaeology, Biblical Archaeology.

Sean is also Director of the Centre for East-West Maritime Exploration (EWME). EWME is an independent research hub and think tank focused on investigating global culture, economy, history and archaeology between the Eastern and Western world. We carry out cutting-edge science, research and fieldwork to deepen understanding of our shared past and bring people together to build bridges towards a clearer consideration of where we came from and where we are going. The EWME community bridges past and present to influence the foundations of a clearer future.

Now if we look at document (J 2277) from Kresen Kernow (Cornwall's archive centre); I have openly stated that that document was 1818 watermark manuscript and in no way written by Avery. However,.

The description of treasure in document (J 2277) with the alleged earlier document.Scottish Records Office document description of treasure in remarkably similar.

There were searches for alleged treasure connected to Avery carried out in 1701. Here is something of interest: the information about treasure to being alleged to be connected to Avery's crew in Cornwall dates back to 1701 as it IS recorded in official Charles the III state papers; the 1701 correspondence mentions it. Calendar of state papers, Domestic series, of the reign of William III... Preserved in the Public Record Office v.6 1700-1702; see link below

Charles the 111 state papers, Public Record Office, v. 6, 1700 -1702

Both official Charles the III state papers of 1701 and Scottish Office records allegedly predate the claims of Captain Charles Johnson, who wrote about the famous English pirate Henry Avery (also spelled Every) in his 1724 book A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the most notorious Pyrates

Fact vs. Fiction: Scholars note that Johnson’s account blended real trial records with tall tales, including the dramatic legend that Avery tricked his fellow captains, stole the entire treasure, and vanished. So the information sources we have about Avery are very questionable.
The Mystery: "Captain Charles Johnson" itself is widely considered a pen name, as no historical record of a sea captain by that name exists
The Author's Identity: "Captain Charles Johnson" is a pseudonym. Historians have long debated who actually wrote the book, with strong theories pointing to writer/spy Daniel Defoe or publisher Nathaniel Mist?

The Defoe Theory: In the 1930s, scholar John Robert Moore and others argued that Captain Charles Johnson was a pseudonym used by Daniel Defoe, pointing to stylistic similarities, shared themes, and Defoe's known interest in maritime crime and piracy. The Dispute: Later researchers, including P.N. Furbank and W.R. Owens in the late 1980s, challenged this attribution, citing tonal differences and a lack of direct historical or archival proof connecting Defoe to the text. Alternative Candidates: Other scholars have proposed alternative possibilities, such as writer and journalist Nathaniel Mist, an associate of Defoe who had a background as a sailor.

So, your conclusion on the documents in question is that it is far more plausible to see it as a product of early 19th-century romantic imagination or literature. I disagree unless the document's age, as dated by the Scottish Office, is properly verified; at the very least, it's early 18th-century imagination, isn't it?

If I were to speculate on the source of the treasure story relating to Avery, either Mist or Defore promoted the legend for their various personal agendas and political intrigue in the power play between the Whig party and Tories.

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Hello Cryptid 1990

Your conclusion about the alleged Avery documents is a little premature. Your words below.

Both these narratives themselves are of questionable historical reliability and improbable, so when you look at the 1818 document claiming that Avery buried three chests of gold and jewels, it becomes far more plausible to see it as a product of early 19th-century romantic imagination.


IS that fact or an assumption? The problem I have is that you have committed a cardinal sin: procrastinating about others about confirmation bias, but dismissing it on the assumption of your own predetermined narrative without determining the authenticity of documents in question. Isn't that confirmation bias?

That case you presented on questioning the authenticity of the Scottish document is based on the following claims:
There is no mention of Avery burying or hiding treasure in that document:
Letter from Avery the Pirate

27 Dec. 1700

Dear Sir,

Yours I received ye [the] 16th instant. I desire to set out for ye 23 to ... morning, & hope to be with you in the evening. I have writt to him that has had no answer as yet—the rest to meet the 14 some time on Tuesday next.

I have prevailed with 3 and 4 to give me leave to lodge at a private house since I have found myself so indisposed after the fatigue of the troublesome voyage. I desire 5 in my Dept. to make choice of a proper place for a lodging for a night or two where 5:6: and I may consult what is fitt to be done, 3 & 4 is perfectly easy upon all occasions to those more suspicious upon any side.

You may expect to hear from me upon every motion that is material. I am infinitely delighted in my ... I am not the least concerned for ... being out of the ... solely depending upon ... I beg you to acquaint ... what is resolved on in relation to ... By 5 you may expect a perfect sheet of all proceedings of our meeting at 23.

The lower portion continues approximately as follows:

“I am infinitely satisfied in my ... I am not the least concerned for ... being out of the ... solely depending upon ... I beg you to acquaint ... what is resolved on in relation to ... By 5 you may expect a perfect sheet of all proceedings of our meeting at 23. ... I thank you very kindly for paying that bill. I was in the ...”
I searched three of the most widely read publications on Avery in the early 18th century:
Zero mention of Avery having buried/concealed treasure in any of these nor is there even a hint he or he crew did. Two of these (1), (3) are heavy embellishments of Avery's life. They have a substratum of fact, but their narratives cannot be relied upon as accurate biographies of Avery and are semi-fictionalised accounts. Daniel Defoe's The King of Pirates (1720) is fiction. Two of these texts, popularised the sensational tale Avery become a wealthy king ruling over a pirate utopia in Madagascar, the other, instead claims he died in poverty somewhere in England. Their silence on buried or hidden treasure is noteworthy. Had the story or rumours of Avery burying or hiding treasure been told in the early 18th century, it is reasonable to expect them to have been mentioned in one of these early accounts of Avery's life. The association between Avery and buried treasure developed later (early 19th century) when romanticised fiction about pirates and buried treasure began to emerge, the same for Captain Kidd, and numerous other pirates. You can also read a ballad published under the title “A Copy of Verses Composed by Captain Henry Avery” (1694) and another pamphlet titled Some Memoirs concerning that famous Pyrate Capt. Avery (1708) [a precursor to the later semi-fictionalised Avery biographies]. Again, it is remarkable that none of these sources mention Avery buried or hid treasure anywhere (nor do any of the Kidd ballads c. 1701 mention Kidd buried treasure). For a discussion, see this article (Frohock, 2020).

Now if we look at document (J 2277) from Kresen Kernow (Cornwall's archive centre); I have openly stated that that document was 1818 watermark manuscript and in no way written by Avery. However,.

The description of treasure in document (J 2277) with the alleged earlier document. Scottish Records Office document description of treasure in remarkably similar.
I acknowledged the 1818 letter, but there is no mention of buried/hidden treasure in the earlier [1700] document (see above).

There were searches for alleged treasure connected to Avery carried out in 1701. Here is something of interest: the information about treasure to being alleged to be connected to Avery's crew in Cornwall dates back to 1701 as it IS recorded in official Charles the III state papers; the 1701 correspondence mentions it. Calendar of state papers, Domestic series, of the reign of William III... Preserved in the Public Record Office v.6 1700-1702; see link below

Charles the 111 state papers, Public Record Office, v. 6, 1700 -1702

Both official Charles the III state papers of 1701 and Scottish Office records allegedly predate the claims of Captain Charles Johnson, who wrote about the famous English pirate Henry Avery (also spelled Every) in his 1724 book A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the most notorious Pyrates
These treasure searches were likely made up in the early 19th century and influenced by adventure romance/pirate fiction. The state papers (as abstracts or summaries) were compiled and published in the 20th century. The excerpts you posted are not verbatim quotes but summaries written in 1937, and their accuracy is questionable. Note that another forum member a few pages back was relying on a similar source (Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: Volume 24, 1708-1709, ed. Cecil Headlam [London, 1922]) to try to prove that a 1707 document mentioned buried treasure in/near Madagascar and I told him the same thing. Of course, I can be proven wrong if you can access the following documents in The National Archives:

February 22 Letter:
  • Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).
February 7 Letter:
  • Reference Code: SP 44/100/541 (located on the exact same page of the ledger book).
Note that if you have access via a university library or academic institution, the database State Papers Online contains high-resolution scans of the actual handwritten pages for the SP 44/100 ledger. I suspect though that the summaries written in 1937 are dissimilar to what the original documents actually state if you read SP 44/100/541. I managed to find a photograph of the first page of the other (1707) document. I then compared that first page to the summary in the state papers compiled and published in 1922. There are significant textual differences between the text on that single page, to the summary, meaning the summaries of these documents are not verbatim quotes so we need to check the original documents. I do not though have access right now to SP 44/100/541 to verify if the summary written in 1937 is accurate.
 
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Hello Cyripid

Bocaj's own hypothesis partly refers to the alleged second part of the 1700 letter.

You missed the second page of the alleged document in the Scottish archives. It appears Dr Sean Kingsley shows only part of the 1700 letter in the Guardian article, only the part relevant to his hypothesis. At the bottom of the alleged 2nd page is a description of the treasure. Annexed to the letter. This needs to be verified and not summarily dismissed just because it does not fit the 19th-century romantic fiction trope cognitive bias.

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Well not yet anyway.

That is why more research is needed to clarify this alleged document with the Scottish archive: is this document real or a fraud/hoax? I have no definitive evidence either way as yet. As you see below, a similar description of the treasure is mentioned in the later 19th-century document (J 2277) from Kresen Kernow (Cornwall's archive centre)

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And of course I agree, a golden rule of thumb is that all original documents are best. Of course, confirming that the P 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541) matches the claims in Charles III state papers of 1701 1937 version summary. As we know, sometimes getting the records we need to find is like pulling teeth from the institutions that hold them. It will go a long way in proving or disproving the case in question. You did some brilliant research on Kidd's charts beyond a doubt. Truly impressive!!! But don't let that lead you down the path that all treasure stories are nothing but legends. Each story stands or falls on its own merits. You have the makings of a very good researcher, but even with the very best researchers, it is very easy to fall into cognitive bias without realizing it. I am not ashamed to admit I like everyone else and have at one time been guilty of it over the years.



The conclusion you have later may be very different from what you have concluded presently.

I am retired, and I am at present sailing down the east coast of Australia. So my access to documents and archives is now limited. As life now is no longer about researching in archives but actually living a life. I am as brown as a native, spending my money on booze and wild women. Like all old pirates should. :laughing7:

Crow
 
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Hello Cyripid

You missed the second part of the alleged document in the Scottish archives. Dr Sean Kingsley shows only part of the 1700 letter relevant to his hypothesis. At the bottom of the 2nd page is a description of the treasure. Annexed to the letter.

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That is why more research is needed to clarify. As you see, a similar description to the treasure is mentioned in the document (J 2277) from Kresen Kernow (Cornwall's archive centre)

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And of course, original documents are best. Of course, confirming that SP 44/100/541 matches the P 44/100/541 (State Papers Domestic, Entry Books, Volume 100, Page 541).

The conclusion may be very different from what you have concluded presently.

I am retired, and I am at present sailing down the east coast of Australia. So my access to documents and archives is limited.

Crow
The Lizard is Lizard Island near Australia?
 
The Lizard is Lizard Island near Australia?
Unfortunately no. Lizard Island, Australia, is a resort island in Queensland. I am heading south in the Tasman Sea. I am at Jervis Bay at present; check out the old wreck.

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My internet is bad today. It's been a stinker; I think we are due for a thunderstorm.

Crow
 
Note that another forum member a few pages back was relying on a similar source (Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: Volume 24, 1708-1709, ed. Cecil Headlam [London, 1922]) to try to prove that a 1707 document mentioned buried treasure in/near Madagascar and I told him the same thing.

Historian E. T. Fox seems to have actually accessed the original document from 1707 (as there are expressions that are not included in the 1922 edition).

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I was also able to find the following document. This is an excerpt from Joel H. Baer's British Piracy in the Golden Age, Volume 3. This book is a compilation of various primary sources from that era. (The use of the long s suggests that it was copied directly from contemporary records.)

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What I take issue with regarding this document is not its content, but its authenticity. As I will show below, it is based on another document written by an associate of a man known to be a fraudster. Therefore, its credibility cannot be considered high.

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Nevertheless, would it not at least serve as evidence that the concept of pirates burying treasure existed as early as 1707?
 
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