Oak Island: Was something even there.

[Tom_in_CA]

Hello All, Saying the Money Pit is a "Bust", what reasons have we for the stones found over the century?

The equilateral 10' triangle made of round beach stones pointing towards the "Money Pit" as well as a line of stones going thru and pointing due north?
Also the large "Drilled" stone found 50' North of the "Money Pit" and a similar "Drilled" stone more than 400' east? All found in the late 1890's.

What reasons are there for the discovery of "Nolan's Cross" found in the '80's. 5 large cone shaped granite boulders and one of sand stone in the middle seemingly aligned symmetrically to form a cross and showing geometric measurements? Possibly alluding to the connection between the Masons & Templars?

Explain several "Mosaic" marked stones that were found by Gilbert Hedden at Joudrey's Cove in 1936 with a number of different mosaic symbols?

What about the granite bolder with the letter "G" in a rectangle supposedly representing mosaic "Geometry"?

Also there was the "Heart" stone, possibly hand made. Was it to mark a treasure?


Were all these stones placed just to reinforce the Scam / Hoax many of you all propose or was there indeed a mosaic presence?
It seems to me this would be a large amount of work to go thru just to support a hoax and if the cross was indeed part of the hoax wouldn't the hoaxer have leaked it out before the 1980's?

Your Bud Aurum

Good questions Bud Aurum ! A few explanations I'd suggest to "curious stones" that seem to have a rhyme and reason so-as-to-have-been markers placed on purpose. Good question !

1) I am of the opinion that you can go anywhere on earth, and ... if you study rocks and their placement long enough, you can no doubt come out with all sorts of designs they form. And you can probably find funny squiggles, curious shapes, etc.... on lots of rocks anywhere. For example.... no joke ... some guy on T'net not long ago posted satellite image captures of the desert southwest floor. And in it, he was convinced he'd found boulders (as seen from satellite) that .... when you connect them with a line, formed triangles that were too uncanny to be dismissed as random. And he inferred all sorts of geometric shapes, and the meanings they hold as "treasure clues", etc... And others got on and said that it was nothing more than random coincidental.

Eg.: if you draw a line through ANY 3 rocks, you will ... doh .... get a triangle of some sort, right ? Or like if you lie on your back and stare at the clouds, you can eventually see a smiley face, a letter "G", and so forth that are formed by random cloud patterns, right ? Yet no one would suggest that this is anything more than random coincidence.

2) But suppose for a minute that the rock's placement, and any drill holes you could find there on Oak Island, did indeed pre-date the whole start of the first little boy who "saw lights". Ok, so what ? I mean, there were people there before hand, maybe even pre-contact indians eh ? What's to stop them from laying rocks in patterns, that mean nothing at all ? Or to have drilled a hole in a rock that means nothing at all ?

If you go into my backyard, you can find rocks in curious patterns (the paving stepping stones we placed in placed for a walk-path) don't mean "treasure". And you could find drill marks and/or other man-made marks in my back-yard, but ... trust me, they don't point to a treasure.

If someone thinks the curious placement of stones, and curious marks and symbols in my yard = treasure, I will allow you to hunt my back-yard for $50 p/h. My rates are reasonable.

 

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[Real of Tayopa]

Tom I agree with you on the mission Priests, the were preoccupied wiht wringing out a living for their flock in the first few years, They gorged themselves or ate grasshopers as the condition warrented.

The heads back in Rome were another thing, they were constantly ploting on how to advance their order, either directly or though their co-adjutors - this included mining, and finally insurection, for which they were expelled in 1767. not for ,imimg. but insurrection.

As far as the rocks and signs go, I agree with you 99, 99 percent. Too much imagination. with very few mines.



















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[lokiblossom]

Loki.....

Just curious on the triangle idea....How wide is the mouth of the Gold River and how far away from the triangle? How many points of degrees either direction could the triangle have and still 'hit' that mouth? In other words, what pinpoints it conclusively to pointing to that spot? Maybe 'that' spot is where treasure should be looked for...

As I'm sure you know the location of a river mouth is rather ambiguous at best, but the stone triangle was much more than just a scattering of rocks, It was a sort of cross within a well designed enclosure. There are sketches of the triangle that give its relation to magnetic North and "Google Earth" shows that the heading points to within the confines of the Gold Rivers mouth. It was basically a map in the sand to where they were. If someone thinks that was a stupid thing to do for someone in hiding, remember I am the only one who has made this connection and their followers would have already known what this map indicated. Just like the Shugborough Code "hidden in plain site".

Cheers, Loki

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... The heads back in Rome were another thing, they were constantly ploting on how to advance their order, either directly or though their co-adjutors - this included mining, ...

Good to hear from you ! So what position are you advancing Tayopa ? If some church headquarters, of any denomination, could historically be shown to "be doing a budget", that ..... sinister treasures *must* be at play ?

Reminds me of hearing of a little boy who... . in the 1950s growing up here, that whenever he and his father would walk down a street, or through a railroad station, etc..., if they happen-chanced to see a clergy member heading towards them on the sidewalk (as evidenced by clerical garb or whatever), would tell his young son: "Quick! Hide your wallet !" And the dad would playfully hold his hand against his back pocket.

The the little boy would ask: "what's that about?". And the dad would reply "the churches only want your money". So thereafter, growing up into his teens , whenever "the plate would be passed" the kid remembered his early memories and would think "aha! It's true, they only want people's money!".

Nevermind that ... how do they get the budget to run the operations they provide. Eg.: missions, marriages, burials, building the building to hold their services, etc..... I mean, since when isn't it fair that you contribute to the very community you profess to belong to ?

SO TOO do I not see something sinister if (heaven forbid), you can come up with something historically where Rome were said to have prompted for some sort of financial or mines or whatever.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

As I'm sure you know the location of a river mouth is rather ambiguous at best, but the stone triangle was much more than just a scattering of rocks. There are sketches of the triangle that give its relation to magnetic North and "Google Earth" shows that the heading points to within the confines of the Gold Rivers mouth. It was basically a map in the sand to where they were. If someone thinks that was a stupid thing to do for someone in hiding, remember I am the only one who has made this connection and their followers would have already known what this map indicated. Just like the Shugborough Code hidden in plain site.

Cheers, Loki

Loki, I'm sure if you came to my backyard, in Monterey, CA, and studied the placement of various objects (and squiggly lines on them, etc....) you could also come up with uncanny astrological lines, shapes, meanings, etc..... In fact, at some given time each day (the equinox, or 12 noon on June 10th of every 5 yrs, etc...) I bet the sun would shine right through a certain window and illuminate an *exact* spot in my house. Thus meaning the builders of my house no doubt knew of some codes revealing treasures. Right ?

C'mon over to hunt my yard. I charge only $50 p/h !

 

[lokiblossom]

Loki, I'm sure if you came to my backyard, in Monterey, CA, and studied the placement of various objects (and squiggly lines on them, etc....) you could also come up with uncanny astrological lines, shapes, meanings, etc..... In fact, at some given time each day (the equinox, or 12 noon on June 10th of every 5 yrs, etc...) I bet the sun would shine right through a certain window and illuminate an *exact* spot in my house. Thus meaning the builders of my house no doubt knew of some codes revealing treasures. Right ?

C'mon over to hunt my yard. I charge only $50 p/h !

You wouldn't make such a sarcastic comment if you saw a sketch of the stones I'm talking about. But you won't and will continue to ridicule, right? Btw, I have been to Monterey more times than I wished, but never saw the objects you mention. Do you know of Crabby Jim's?

Cheers, Loki

 

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[Raparee]

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I can't help but belly laugh whenever I see Hutton in his little treasure hunter costume. ... then I remember what a con he is, and get angry.

 

[lokiblossom]

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Before you ridicule me, you should understand that I have never premised anything of value on Oak Island!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ARC]

Hmmm I am confused...

How can one "keep personal bias" out of this yet still state an opinion.

Doesn't personal bias have more to do with the person "collecting the data"... than the "responder's" ? ? ?

Its an "influence thing" is it not ...
Hmmm maybe I should research.

Not being a smart arse... just saying.

 

[ARC]

Personal Bias

Definition: The researcher allowing personal beliefs to affect the outcome of a study.


Quite Simply...
•When the researcher favors a variable more than another based on their personal ideas, allowing possible changes in results.
•When someone's thoughts and feeling alter their research and data.


Examples of Personal Bias

•If a study was being performed to determine the student body's favorite soda, if the researcher prefered say, Mountain Dew, to all other sodas, then he may give an indication that Mountain Dew is better, or "misrecord" data, etc
•If a study was conducted on the belief of the theory of evolution in different areas of the United States, and the researcher was against the theory, he/she may end up getting the data that supports their belief, and letting personal bias effect the outcome of the study.




See Also...
1.Expectancy bias because in contrast to personal bias, expactancy bias is based off of expectations while pesonal bias is based of of personal beliefs.

 

[Roadhse2]

Bias...could be...

But I always believed the treasure tale until I started looking into it a bit harder, both the for and against evidence, trying to sort the probable from the fantasy...

I want to believe...but no longer can..to many things point away from there being anything there now or ever...

Maybe the Lagina's will find something to restore the belief, and why I continue to watch the show, hoping they do

 

[Wally Taylor]

It would be great. The teaser for tonight has John Chatterton saying "It's metal, and it's big". Then he says "WOW!"
It sounds promising, but with the Lagina boys luck, it's probably a rock filled with Iron Pyrite! It would be cool if they found something. That video that they shot in this chamber last season looked for all the world like a long gold chain placed on the wall of the chamber. Who knows? I'm an endless optimist, so I would love to see the Laginas get SOMETHING for all of their sacrifice and many years of holding Oak Island in awe. Good Luck men. You deserve something good to happen. If it doesn't happen soon, I will probably tape the show and watch it when I'm bored instead of tuning in every Tuesday for another dose of boring disappointment.
It is kind of sad that the narrator that they got stuck with is the same guy who narrates "Ancient Aliens". His favorbite line: "Our Ancient Alien Experts say that more than likely Greys from the Planet Zeebop were there 1000 years ago to teach the Incas how to build and fly jet aircraft, and even loaned them their helmets."

 

[gazzahk]

to many things point away from there being anything there now or ever...

I know it has been discussed before... I still believe the descendants claims need further investigation before saying there was never anything there...

 

[Roadhse2]

One thing I do like about these type of shows, any of them, is they show me things and places I will never personally go to see and give some historical overview at the same time before they break into the fantasy parts, Many times they seek out and show items or places that even as a tourist to the area, unless I had researched it before going, would miss.

Except for Naked and Afraid...I just watch it for the women....hahahahaha

 

[gazzahk]

"Equilateral Triangle"

This one (reconstructed)?

Haphazard naturally scattered rocks and overactive imaginations.

I agree it seems pretty far fetched that a treasure hider would go to the trouble of putting clues to where they hid the treasure on the ground near where they hid the treasure. Seems more likely that it was made by someone else on the island for some reason.

We do know that at some point the beach was built which seems to be a pretty significant operation. Maybe it was made by those people for some unexplained and quite trivial reason.

Trying to link it to hidden treasure does not seem to have much basis in logic is my view...

 

[gazzahk]

Here is an "alleged" photo of the actual triangle




https://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...o-show-the-lost-stone-triangle-of-oak-island/

This link also has another very poor image of what 'may' be the stone triangle next to the cut logs..

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Before you ridicule me, you should understand that I have never premised anything of value on Oak Island!

Cheers, Loki

Are you the one with the Monkey Division hat or the one in the blue shirt?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

You wouldn't make such a sarcastic comment if you saw a sketch of the stones I'm talking about. But you won't and will continue to ridicule, right? Btw, I have been to Monterey more times than I wished, but never saw the objects you mention. Do you know of Crabby Jim's?

Cheers, Loki

Loki, it's all in forum banter. No sarcasm or mean-ness meant. Other than to put a "face" on an example. Sorry for coming down hard and condescending in tone.

Yes we've eaten at Crabby Jim's . What brings you to Monterey ? Next time you're here , drop me a line ! We have lots of treasure legends in this area too. And the pre-history indians around here left "holes in rocks". And arranged them sometimes in patterns that still exist to this day perhaps (in the back-country if you know where to look). But they do not indicate any "treasure".

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Hmmm I am confused...

How can one "keep personal bias" out of this yet still state an opinion.....

If you have failed to agree with me, then .... by definition, you are

A) Biased,

B) mean and have an anger problem.

C) have a failure to talk about things in a gentlemanly fashion,

D) haven't given good enough reasons yet (I define what qualifies as "good reasons")

Have I made myself clear ?