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Treat Oak Island as an Armchair Treasure Hunt and it has a Solution

It's the same jerks that just wait for you to post so they can attack and mock you .try to have a conversation and the same idiots jump at the chance to attack you.....this is some treasure site where you just get attacked... and then they reprimand you....
3cyl, if you think a rule is being broken report it, but members are allowed to respectfully disagree with a thread, especially when it is based on treasure legends, and treasure stories.

Please do not attack TreasureNet itself or the moderation of TreasureNet in our open forums, it violates our rules, our rules clearly state disagreements on moderation are handled privately via PMs, not in open forums.
 
It's the same jerks that just wait for you to post so they can attack and mock you .try to have a conversation and the same idiots jump at the chance to attack you.....this is some treasure site where you just get attacked... and then they reprimand you

Glad to debate this tall tale, but not with someone calling posters "jerks" and "idiots". No need for that at all.
 
Doesn't seem to come across as a debate though. It comes across as a "I'm right and your wrong" kind of thing..
 
Doesn't seem to come across as a debate though. It comes across as a "I'm right and your wrong" kind of thing..

That's how debates work. You state your point of view and the other person makes their counterpoint. Since no treasure has been found in 150 years and the Laginas alone have spent 13 years and untold millions searching for it, the only logical conclusion is there is no treasure and there probably never was any treasure.

Point/counterpoint reminds me of this classic SNL clip!

 
That's how debates work. You state your point of view and the other person makes their counterpoint. Since no treasure has been found in 150 years and the Laginas alone have spent 13 years and untold millions searching for it, the only logical conclusion is there is no treasure and there probably never was any treasure.

Point/counterpoint reminds me of this classic SNL clip!


Key word in there is "probably" No one can prove it either way but I'm thinking it has already been found, either by the original 3 and or Samual Ball. S Ball was pretty well off for the area, and mainly sold cabbage at about 5 cent a head.. That's a LOT of CABBAGE...
 
Key word in there is "probably" No one can prove it either way but I'm thinking it has already been found, either by the original 3 and or Samual Ball. S Ball was pretty well off for the area, and mainly sold cabbage at about 5 cent a head.. That's a LOT of CABBAGE...
Samuel Ball got it all.
 
As I mentioned in post #2, what you are saying is that an armchair treasure hunter is required to be a gullibilly. Can you explain why that is?


Anyone can take a set of claims and weave them into a story. Problem is, if the claims are bullsnort then the resulting story is bullsnort. If you demand that no one can challenge the claims and must accept them at face value, then the whole exercise is useless, except for the purpose of weaving a fanciful story.
The only people who buy this story of a 130 foot deep shaft dug to bury treasure are people who have never dug a hole in their life! It's hard work to even dig a small hole 2 or 3 feet in the ground with a shovel. Digging a 130 foot hole would take a tremendous amount of effort and way too much time if you're trying to be secretive. Not to mention the chance of a cave-in, which would mean certain death.
The mystery gets solved this side of Christmas but not by the Laginas. Drllling the Money Pit is a waste of time money and resources. The answer has been above ground for 800 years for anyone able to read the instructions.
 
BennyV please post by our rules, no insults...

As I mentioned in post #2, what you are saying is that an armchair treasure hunter is required to be a gullibilly. Can you explain why that is?


Anyone can take a set of claims and weave them into a story. Problem is, if the claims are bullsnort then the resulting story is bullsnort. If you demand that no one can challenge the claims and must accept them at face value, then the whole exercise is useless, except for the purpose of weaving a fanciful story.
There is no mystery anymore for Oak Island. The Knigts Templar surveyed Mahone Bay from approx 1180 and commenced constuction approximately 1200 from plans drawn up in Europe with the assistance of Cistercian Monks.
 
There is no mystery anymore for Oak Island. The Knigts Templar surveyed Mahone Bay from approx 1180 and commenced constuction approximately 1200 from plans drawn up in Europe with the assistance of Cistercian Monks.
There is absolutely no evidence from the historical record or archaeology that supports the theory Knights Templar or Cistercians reached the Americas before 1492. Any claim of a transatlantic Templar voyage during the Middle Ages remains at best pure speculation. You might as well believe a waterspout transported some medieval peasants from England across the Atlantic Ocean to North America in 1132.
 
Its not a theory, it's factual, whereas your waterspout theory I would suggest is impractical. For the record I stated it was Knights Templar and the Cistercians simply assisted with the design.
 
Its not a theory, it's factual, whereas your waterspout theory I would suggest is impractical. For the record I stated it was Knights Templar and the Cistercians simply assisted with the design.
Why does not a single credentialed historian agree with you? I don't believe in the waterspout theory, I used that an example to show how baseless your claim is. Based on what you have posted so far, you do not give me the impression that your approach is remotely evidence-based but I will nonetheless recommend to you Kenneth L. Feder's Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology.
 
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Why does not a single credentialed historian agree with you? I don't believe in the waterspout theory, I used that an example to show how baseless your claim is. Based on what you have posted so far, you do not give me the impression that your approach is remotely evidence-based but I will nonetheless recommend to you Kenneth L. Feder's Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology.
 
Credentialed does not mean correct. By credentialed I an assuming you mean academically qualified which demonstrates the ability to comprehend and
regurgitate other people’s ideas, rather than any capaity for independent thought. Unfortunately credentialed historians are exactly the cohort who will propogate other peoples ideas and then have their "knowledge" offered as support for a mistaken viewpoint. That does not make them correct however. As regards your waterspout material I fail to see how a nonsensically argument in any way undermines mine. In any event I don't want to appear argumentative, I respect your right to an alternative opinion even if it someone elses and incorrect.
 
You mentioned the solution is in the public and won't be solved by the laguinas. Who else would it be?
They have a majority stake in the island and in all likelihood will be the ones to put the spade in the ground unless the Nova Scotian authorities with responsibility for enforcing the Special Places Protection Act intervene but finding and solving are two different things.
 
Credentialed does not mean correct. By credentialed I an assuming you mean academically qualified which demonstrates the ability to comprehend and
regurgitate other people’s ideas, rather than any capaity for independent thought. Unfortunately credentialed historians are exactly the cohort who will propogate other peoples ideas and then have their "knowledge" offered as support for a mistaken viewpoint. That does not make them correct however. As regards your waterspout material I fail to see how a nonsensically argument in any way undermines mine. In any event I don't want to appear argumentative, I respect your right to an alternative opinion even if it someone elses and incorrect.
My point about the absence of support from credentialed historians and other relevant experts like archaeologists is that your claim — that the Templars had travelled to North America — is not a new claim that historians have simply overlooked. Claims of pre-Columbian Templar contact have been examined and scrutinised for multiple decades by specialists in medieval history, archaeology, as well as pre-Columbian contact. The fact that the claim has not gained acceptance among any specialists over decades is strong evidence when assessing how well supported the claim is and its probability (your claim is not credible and is extremely improbable). Of course, historians are not infallible but when a specific historical claim has been subjected to specialist scrutiny for many years and has failed to produce evidence that specialists regard as sufficient, that is a compelling reason to regard the claim as improbable and/or to reject it. What evidence is there the Templars actually travelled to North America? Calling the claim "factual" (like you did) does not answer that question. You are arguing by assertion.
 
Improbable I can accept, even rejection, if it is a considered and honestly held personal view but that still does not make it correct. Similar confirmation bias is exactly the reason the Lagina's are wasting millions drilling an empty hole year after year. Just because someone, or many, believed something before you, does not mean it has to be true. The Norse legends of travelling to the North American continent in approximately 1000 AD were ridiculed by academics until L'aus au Meadows was discovered in the 60's, proved the legends correct and is now a Unesco protected heritage site. What makes anyone so sure that Europeans were not present in Oak Island which is less than 1.000 km south about 200 years later? There was definitive proof on Laus au Meadows that those same Norse travelled or traded with people who had travelled that far South and combining that with the medival
Artefacts discovered in excavations and searches on Oal Island should be enough on its own to at least be open to the possibility.
 
Weststarbooks,
Is this treasure in the Money Pit or somewhere else on the island.
It sounds like a huge undertaking. How many men, ships and years to complete?
 
No not in the Money Pit although the primary vault was accessible from there at one stage before being destroyed by successive searchers. As to size its a good question and I cam't be sure but it was certainly large. Large enough to require a harbour, hard standing, quay and island infrastructure be built to accomodate construction materials and crews. Certainly the work of many seasons.
 

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