I would like to say that I take no enjoyment in proving you wrong. (But I'd be lying).
Everyone is entitled to their theory. The problem is that you present yours as fact.
I don't believe in Bigfoot, or the Roswell incident. But I don't troll those websites repeating dozens of times that I think they are a hoax.
If I thought the charts were fake I might post once, and then spend my time on a different site (or thread).
Do you know what I think? I think deep down you believe the charts Are real.
That's why you obsess over the charts, and repeatedly ask everyone here for proof of their authenticity.
I've created multiple threads on treasure map hoaxes in this or related forum sections:
The Treasure of Isle D'Croix
The story goes that documents and a damaged notebook (dated 1776) belonging to a French naval officer named Alphonse d'Urville ended up in the possession of an early 20th century Danish sailor who died aboard the steamer Australia in the Pacific Ocean; his belongings were sent to his family in...
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Pirates Gold on Glen Island Bared By Cryptic Map in 1886
CHART THAT LED TO GOLD CACHE Above chart, carried around world by seamen for 150 years, revealed Pirates' gold on Glen Island in 1886. Spot believed rendezvous of Captain Kidd. Pirates' Gold On Glen Island Bared By Cryptic Map In 1886 Tale of Hidden Treasure and Captain Kidd Legends Revived...
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The Secret of Coffin Island [literary fiction inspired by a hoax]
The story is as follows: a ship captain, Ray Baldwin, in 1897, picked up a sailor floating in the waters somewhere in the Indian Ocean. The sailor died not longer afterwards (presumably of hypothermia); Baldwin found a mysterious note on the sailor's body with a drawing and initials N.E.S.R.C.I...
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In contrast, your only thread is this one in which you said (quotes from pages 1-12):
I have a great interest in the treasure "Lodged" by Captain Kidd. I believe the treasure exists, and that the "Kidd/Palmer" charts are authentic, and I do Not believe the treasure is located anywhere near the America's nor the China Sea.
I only believe the Kidd/Palmer charts were drawn by Kidd.
I estimate that Kidd hid his treasure sometime in 1698, and he was executed on May 8th, 1701. So he had about 3 years to hide maps.
I already found what I believe to be Kidd's island.
I believe the charts are real, and so far nobody has come close to convincing me otherwise.
In fact, you even described it as "
fantasy and delusion" to think otherwise:
If you firmly believe that [the maps are a hoax], then you are the one living a life of fantasy and delusion.
So every expert who has examined the Kidd-Palmer maps (including the former Head of Map Collection at the British Library, Peter Barber) and concluded they are an obvious early 20th century hoax, according to you is delusional. Not only that, but you have said anyone who recognises the reality they are a hoax is a believer in a "
giant crock of *censored*". Yet after nearly 50-pages you have not presented a shred of evidence the maps are authentic and Kidd owned/drew them. Your beliefs are evidence-free. It is not unreasonable for me to ask for evidence seeming as you have asserted the maps are authentic to the extent you said anyone who thinks the opposite is "living a life of fantasy". When I asked for evidence the maps are genuine in the sense of being drawn by Kidd (or another pirate in the 17th/18th century), you deflect, change topic, post
ad hominem, troll (e.g., your comment "deep down you believe the charts
Are real" despite that obviously is untrue and quite frankly absurd), try to
shift the burden of proof or post the bothsidesism/fallacy of false balance (documented
here).
I guess you have never heard of the epistemological dictum
Hitchens’s razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". The
burden of proof is on the person making a claim;
if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it. That said, despite your logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof and sheer arrogance (you openly dismissed numerous experts who have determined the maps are a hoax) in good faith, I provided converging lines of evidence the maps are indeed a hoax, and summarised them
here. Your response was to ignore or dismiss everything I posted that contradicted or disproved your beliefs. It is clear you are a true believer. However, it remains unclear what your reasons for this mindset are. Unusually for a true believer you do not have basic understanding or knowledge of what you are a fervent believer in. For example, prior to me posting in this thread, you had evidently never heard of Arthur Cutler because you falsely stated:
So. You believe that the Kidd charts discovered by Hubert Palmer were an elaborate "Hoax"? If so, who perpetrated this Hoax and for what reason? And why would this alleged hoaxer 'hide' the charts in complex secret compartments not knowing whether or not Palmer would eventually even discover them? Was it the various antique dealers?, Harold Wilkins?, or even Hubert Palmer himself?
Imagine the difficulty of locating four vintage 230 year old objects with hidden compartments (or modifying existing items with said compartments), Finding the correct era parchment paper and ink, then drawing four similar island charts, mimicking Kidd's handwriting, in which the subtle details evolve and interconnect. Then "fake age" them well enough to fool the leading expert on cartography at the time, the Superintendent of the Map Room at the British Museum. Then you'd have to magically funnel these objects to Palmer over the course of Four years through multiple antique auctions and dealers. (Ten years if you count the Yunnan Parchment).
There never were multiple ("various") antique dealers - only one - Arthur Hill-Cutler who sold the furniture pieces (with maps) to Hubert Palmer. Even the Yunnan Parchment was sold by Cutler to Palmer. This is strong evidence alone for the maps being a hoax. They were all sold by one individual to Palmer. Do you not find that suspicious? Palmer was also in Cutler's shop when he found the map in the bureau. This is proven by Palmer's private correspondence with Wilkins (published by Gjb) and Wilkins (1935) book. You never bothered to fact check or look up this information. You are a fervent believer in the maps authenticity but are pretty much clueless where they came from and never researched the provenance of these maps (Palmer did not acquire them from multiple dealers, only Cutler). It is apparent that you had never either heard of the names Dan Morgan and Pamela Hardy before I mentioned them in this thread.
The fact you are unfamiliar with literature on the Kidd-Palmer maps was again on display in another early comment you wrote:
And if Wilkins had spent the time to draw them, then why only one vague and incidental reference in his book? Thank you for proving my point.
This comment is laughable considering Wilkins wrote extensively on the maps in his [1935] book (multiple chapters) and published several articles on them. As I said, it is perplexing why you are a true believer in these maps when you have done no research on them, are unfamiliar with the literature, and did not even know who sold the furniture pieces/maps to Palmer. Can you explain?
