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What happened to the Kidd-Palmer treasure maps?

Re 'What happened to the Kidd-Palmer Charts'? All I see is arguments: 'She did', 'She didn't' 'It was in 1957'. 'No it wasn't'. Bla Bla! Let me settle it for you. They WERE sold in 1957, all three of them. I have the letter in front of me from the solicitors acting for Mrs Dick. End of! Don't be silly and ask me to show it, it is of course confidential.
And why the heated, wasted time on this subject? It doesn't matter when they were sold. What is so important about that? You should be concentrating your efforts on the veracity of the charts, why they were really created and where they really lead you to. They ARE a hoax/fraud regarding Kidd's/island/treasure, but contain genuine information hidden within.
 
Re 'What happened to the Kidd-Palmer Charts'? All I see is arguments: 'She did', 'She didn't' 'It was in 1957'. 'No it wasn't'. Bla Bla! Let me settle it for you. They WERE sold in 1957, all three of them. I have the letter in front of me from the solicitors acting for Mrs Dick. End of! Don't be silly and ask me to show it, it is of course confidential.
And why the heated, wasted time on this subject? It doesn't matter when they were sold. What is so important about that? You should be concentrating your efforts on the veracity of the charts, why they were really created and where they really lead you to. They ARE a hoax/fraud regarding Kidd's/island/treasure, but contain genuine information hidden within.
Can you confirm who the maps were sold to? Note that Gjb posted the following letter extract a few pages back:

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Maurice Taylor said he bought the maps in 1956 (not 1957), aside from that discrepancy, can you confirm whether the Yunnan Parchment was sold with the maps? Or did that end up somewhere else? Could you show me the solicitor letter in private (send me a private message or send it by email)? I still have doubts the maps were sold in 1957 - why did Dick's relative (nephew) in the 1960s not know they had been sold in 1957, and was searching for them? Surely, she would have left paperwork (note he had access to all her possessions he inherited).
 
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All I will say is that part of the solicitor's letter reads 'I acted for her on the sale round about 1957'. You can read into that '1956' if you want to. And it was just the three charts. No more correspondence on this, I have a life to lead.
 
All I will say is that part of the solicitor's letter reads 'I acted for her on the sale round about 1957'. You can read into that '1956' if you want to. And it was just the three charts. No more correspondence on this, I have a life to lead.
If you can upload/scan or take a photo and send me a copy, I will pay you (I can send the cash via PayPal). My use of the scan (or photo) will be for personal research and kept private so I will not publish or share it anywhere; there should be no copyright issue.

There are four maps (charts), so was one of them not sold by Dick ~1957 since the letter you have only mentions three? And thanks for confirming the Yunnan Parchment was not then sold. I suspected it was not. If we accept Dick did sell three of the maps to Maurice Taylor (does the solicitor's letter mention his name?), that does not explain what happened to one of the maps and the Yunnan Parchment. Anyway, thanks for clearing this up and providing the information about the solicitor's letter. I would very much appreciate though if you could upload/scan and send me a copy to put this matter finally to rest.
 
In light of CapnGeorge's uncooperative attitude and the fact he posts a lot of dubious and erroneous claims (especially in the other thread) and refuses to substantiate his claim about the solicitor letter, I now doubt the letter actually exists or it is not what he alleges. He is not trustworthy in anything he says. The search for the Kidd-Palmer maps therefore should continue. There is no proof they were purchased by Maurice Taylor in 1956, or 1957. I consider a more reliable source to be Dick's nephew who in the 1960s was still searching for the maps.
 
More evidence points to the Maurice Taylor scam...

Taylor claimed to have purchased the Kidd-Palmer maps and "all copies" in 1956 (although different sources say 1957) but provided no proof. I was looking through old newspaper articles and found a similar dubious claim that someone owned the maps in 1952:

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The Deseret News (24 August 1952)

So what do we have here? Someone (an unnamed man) from Essex, England claimed in 1952 to be in possession of Kidd's treasure maps (charts) [this was not Palmer who died a few years earlier and was from Sussex]. These charts are almost certainty alluding to the Kidd-Palmer maps since one of the maps is said to have been found "in a bureau aboard the pirate's galleon, the Adventure" (see Wilkins, 1935; one of the Kidd-Palmer maps was found in a bureau which had a plate inscribed: "Adventure Galley".) The anonymous person who said they owned the map(s) stated the treasure is located in the South China Sea and "China Sea" appears on some of the Kidd-Palmer maps.

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Wilkins (1935), p. 327

1952 was the same year, Maurice Taylor and his relative Patrick Crowe were involved in a scam trying to dupe people giving them £20,000 (see here) by promising they knew the location of Kidd's buried treasure ("If you have a spare £20,000 there's a man at Port Adelaide who believes he can take you to Captain Kidd's buried treasure.") Of course, they never knew the location and Taylor had a history of being involved in dodgy expeditions. Although Taylor is not named, I think it is likely he is the anonymous person or rather Patrick Crowe was (his relative). The article mentions the anonymous person had a partner. Even if I am mistaken about this and the two men referred to in the article were not Taylor/Crowe - this means there were even more people questionably claiming to own the Kidd-Palmer maps in the 1950s.
 
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In light of CapnGeorge's uncooperative attitude and the fact he posts a lot of dubious and erroneous claims (especially in the other thread) and refuses to substantiate his claim about the solicitor letter, I now doubt the letter actually exists or it is not what he alleges. He is not trustworthy in anything he says. The search for the Kidd-Palmer maps therefore should continue. There is no proof they were purchased by Maurice Taylor in 1956, or 1957. I consider a more reliable source to be Dick's nephew who in the 1960s was still searching for the maps.
Isn't sad to see, when someone who doesn't get what they want, acts like a little spoilt child, spitting his dummy out of his pram. All because I refused to send him a copy of a confidential solicitor's letter. He thinks, 'I know what I can do! I'll attack his character!' so we have; to quote: 'he posts a lot of dubious and erroneous claims/He is not trustworthy in anything he says'. He is even saying I am a liar regarding the letter. There have been many other similar comments from him. It all amounts to a deformation of character and slander in public. When all I have ever done is present facts and info to the public for their benefit. If you are so right and can therefore prove your statements, are you man enough to send me your contact details via my 'Anson's Gold' publisher? My solicitor can then get in touch with you. By the way, the secret to the charts is in that title. But it's far too complicated for you; it involves calculations.
 
Isn't sad to see, when someone who doesn't get what they want, acts like a little spoilt child, spitting his dummy out of his pram. All because I refused to send him a copy of a confidential solicitor's letter. He thinks, 'I know what I can do! I'll attack his character!' so we have; to quote: 'he posts a lot of dubious and erroneous claims/He is not trustworthy in anything he says'. He is even saying I am a liar regarding the letter. There have been many other similar comments from him. It all amounts to a deformation of character and slander in public. When all I have ever done is present facts and info to the public for their benefit. If you are so right and can therefore prove your statements, are you man enough to send me your contact details via my 'Anson's Gold' publisher? My solicitor can then get in touch with you. By the way, the secret to the charts is in that title. But it's far too complicated for you; it involves calculations.
If real, the contents of the confidential letter can arguably be disclosed under public interest, furthermore, I suspect the solicitor firm she probably used (Coles and James of Claremont Chambers at 1 Seaside Road, Eastbourne) closed long ago and Elizabeth Dick died in 1965. It is near impossible to get written permission from her legal heir (her nephew, who might now be dead). What is stopping you from showing me the letter in private? I cannot see you getting in trouble, and by whom? Dick and her solicitors are not around anymore and no one is likely to complain if you showed a >60-year old letter to me in a private setting. Regardless, even you have questioned some statements made by Maurice Taylor in this thread. He claimed to have purchased and owned "all copies" of the maps (charts) which you have disputed since we know there are/were other copies owned by different people:

Well Maurice was well and truly duped!.....'and all copies thereof'. How is it then that I have the chart negatives??

I have already proven you post dubious and false claims. As an example from page 5 of your 1996 book (Kidd):

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The bureau was not the "first discovery" by Hubert Palmer. He already had in his possession the Hardy Chest (1927). Secondly, the date is wrong. Palmer acquired the bureau in 1932, not 1929 (on page 7, you make more incorrect assertions about the bureau).

Embarrassingly, the very first page (in fact, first sentence 🤦‍♂️) of your book contains an error:

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The public had the first indication that Kidd has left any treasure maps in 1935. This was when Harold T. Wilkins book...

This is incorrect since Wilkins published an article on the maps ("Captain Kidd's Treasure") in The Passing Show on May 6, 1933. It amuses me you describe Wilkins' [1935] book as "carelessly written" and "unreliable" about the charts and their discovery, when this accurately sums up your own book (no awareness?). My comment you are untrustworthy is sourced to one of your own comments:

Wrong Wrong, Yawn Yawn. I personally did not make any claims in my book re the discovery of the charts. I didn't have 5 years to spare investigating this, and thank goodness I didn't have to. Anthony Howlett kindly allowed me to use/copy his work. That is obvious. So I didn't falsely claim anything! He is the only one who had the detail right..

So you admit you did no actual research of your own and lazily copied whatever Howlett wrote or told you without fact checking. We know that Howlett (1958) got nearly everything wrong concerning the maps (see the bureau example above) so this does make you untrustworthy since you have repeated a lot of misinformation. The most appalling thing is it does not seem to have bothered you that you have repeated falsehoods. Suffice to say, I have a very low opinion of you; combined with the vexatious legal threats you come across as deeply unpleasant.
 
By the way, the secret to the charts is in that title [Anson's Gold]. But it's far too complicated for you; it involves calculations.
Yawn. We already have in these threads a plethora of competing crackpot ideas and far-fetched location hypotheses about the maps (charts) that I have rightly criticised and stayed away from and refused to touch with a barge pole. Gjb claims they relate to Oak Island, Randawg72 believes the maps are authentic (17th century) and were drawn by Captain Kidd and he has identified the island (but refuses to disclose it), the French writer Albert Fagioli claims the maps point to a buried treasure on Koh Matlang (an island near Thailand), while others have identified the island as Hon Tre Lon, the Providenciales, Juan Fernandez Island; and so on. Adding to this list is your bizarre and mistaken belief the maps were drawn by Harold T. Wilkins (which I easily disproved [he had no knowledge of the maps until May 1932]) who had access to an "Anson file" concerning a treasure buried by George Anson. What next? Knights Templar? Masonic conspiracy theories? 🤡
 
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If real, the contents of the confidential letter can arguably be disclosed under public interest, furthermore, I suspect the solicitor firm she probably used (Coles and James of Claremont Chambers at 1 Seaside Road, Eastbourne) closed long ago and Elizabeth Dick died in 1965. It is near impossible to get written permission from her legal heir (her nephew, who might now be dead). What is stopping you from showing me the letter in private? I cannot see you getting in trouble, and by whom? Dick and her solicitors are not around anymore and no one is likely to complain if you showed a >60-year old letter to me in a private setting. Regardless, even you have questioned some statements made by Maurice Taylor in this thread. He claimed to have purchased and owned "all copies" of the maps (charts) which you have disputed since we know there are/were other copies owned by different people:



I have already proven you post dubious and false claims. As an example from page 5 of your 1996 book (Kidd):

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The bureau was not the "first discovery" by Hubert Palmer. He already had in his possession the Hardy Chest (1927). Secondly, the date is wrong. Palmer acquired the bureau in 1932, not 1929 (on page 7, you make more incorrect assertions about the bureau).

Embarrassingly, the very first page (in fact, first sentence 🤦‍♂️) of your book contains an error:

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This is incorrect since Wilkins published an article on the maps ("Captain Kidd's Treasure") in The Passing Show on May 6, 1933. It amuses me you describe Wilkins' [1935] book as "carelessly written" and "unreliable" about the charts and their discovery, when this accurately sums up your own book (no awareness?). My comment you are untrustworthy is sourced to one of your own comments:



So you admit you did no actual research of your own and lazily copied whatever Howlett wrote or told you without fact checking. We know that Howlett (1958) got nearly everything wrong concerning the maps (see the bureau example above) so this does make you untrustworthy since you have repeated a lot of misinformation. The most appalling thing is it does not seem to have bothered you that you have repeated falsehoods. Suffice to say, I have a very low opinion of you; combined with the vexatious legal threats you come across as deeply unpleasant.
You live in your own bubble where Wilkins is King. You believe everything the devious conman says. If he told you the Earth was flat and Elvis lives on, you would believe him. (comment, Randawg 72 - He was a habitual liar). Wilkins' version re the charts discovery- you believe is gospel, IS WRONG!. You believe it because he wrote it! Many times, he has been proven unreliable and not to be trusted. I know who I would believe; Anthony D Howlett, who spent years on the case : A London barrister at the Board of Trade, the Remembrancer of the City of London (senior officer of the City of London Corporation, - the City's Ceremonial Officer and Chief of Protocol). Active on 'D' day plus 1. President of the Sherlock Holmes Society of London. Who is anyone seriously going to believe? Wilkins, the unreliable liar, or Anthony Howlet? steadfast, genuine and highly respected. I wish he were here so you could face him and call him a liar. Carry on and believe the rubbish if you want to. There are so many things in Wilkins' books where he is conning you, but you wouldn't know it. Something else you are always conveniently ignoring when I ask the question: A treasure chart is to be solved, isn't it? Why are you wasting time on letters, and who wrote this/ who wrote that/it was that year/etc, etc. All irrelevant waffle that does nothing to actually solve the charts and what the numbers on them mean. Is it because you know i solved them years ago? you hate that fact and will not admit it. No comment at all on what I propose is the answer (Pinaki atoll, Wilkins does mention it, very early on in one of his books, an early tease, that only he knows). With any intelligence, you may realise now why he continually mentions: coral/lagoons/sand/Palms. So, answer the question: why are you not trying to work out what the figures mean on the 'Key' chart? Is all this beyond you? or can you just not get out of your Wilkins bubble, where everything is gospel?
 
You live in your own bubble where Wilkins is King. You believe everything the devious conman says. If he told you the Earth was flat and Elvis lives on, you would believe him. (comment, Randawg 72 - He was a habitual liar). Wilkins' version re the charts discovery- you believe is gospel, IS WRONG!. You believe it because he wrote it! Many times, he has been proven unreliable and not to be trusted. I know who I would believe; Anthony D Howlett, who spent years on the case : A London barrister at the Board of Trade, the Remembrancer of the City of London (senior officer of the City of London Corporation, - the City's Ceremonial Officer and Chief of Protocol). Active on 'D' day plus 1. President of the Sherlock Holmes Society of London. Who is anyone seriously going to believe? Wilkins, the unreliable liar, or Anthony Howlet? steadfast, genuine and highly respected. I wish he were here so you could face him and call him a liar. Carry on and believe the rubbish if you want to. There are so many things in Wilkins' books where he is conning you, but you wouldn't know it. Something else you are always conveniently ignoring when I ask the question: A treasure chart is to be solved, isn't it? Why are you wasting time on letters, and who wrote this/ who wrote that/it was that year/etc, etc. All irrelevant waffle that does nothing to actually solve the charts and what the numbers on them mean. Is it because you know i solved them years ago? you hate that fact and will not admit it. No comment at all on what I propose is the answer (Pinaki atoll, Wilkins does mention it, very early on in one of his books, an early tease, that only he knows). With any intelligence, you may realise now why he continually mentions: coral/lagoons/sand/Palms. So, answer the question: why are you not trying to work out what the figures mean on the 'Key' chart? Is all this beyond you? or can you just not get out of your Wilkins bubble, where everything is gospel?
Hubert Palmer sent a letter to Charles B. Driscoll about the Hardy Chest and included a photograph. In July 1930, Driscoll published a drawing of the photo, as well as quoted part of the letter in a syndicated newspaper column. The letter makes clear that Palmer purchased the Hardy Chest in 1927 and it was the first furniture piece he bought. This confirms Wilkins (1935) [see my posts here and here for proof] and disproves Howlett (1958) and what you erroneously repeated in your 1996 book (see above). Palmer did not first buy the bureau. You and Howlett got the sequence of discovery wrong, the dates wrong, and many other details wrong. Furthermore, we know that Wilkins' account of the discovery of the maps is far more reliable than Howlett (1958) because Gjb owns the private letters Palmer wrote to Wilkins (and an unpublished manuscript by Wilkins). He quotes some of these in his books and uploaded one of Palmer's letters to his website:

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It is you who is demonstrably wrong. You appear to keep ignoring the fact that Palmer's letters confirm the accuracy of Wilkins (1935).

A reviewer of your Anson's Gold hit the nail on the head, when he said:

This is, of course, hyper-selective wishful thinking (as opposed to anything that might approach critical evaluation, or indeed critical thought). What makes this even clearer is Geoff Bath’s very interesting series of books, for which Geoff managed to uncover a whole lot of Wilkins’ correspondence. In my opinion, Bath offered up a picture of Wilkins that was radically different from (and, I believe, a lot more accurate and evidentially-grounded) than the one in either of Edmunds’ books.
It is not surprising that Wilkins (1935) would be much more reliable than Howlett (1958) since Wilkins met Palmer in person multiple times (beginning in May-June 1932) and corresponded with him by letter, for over a decade. Anthony Howlett never met or corresponded with Palmer and only began investigating the maps after he died. Palmer's letters to Driscoll and Wilkins prove that Howlett (1958) was wrong about nearly everything. For example, Howlett claimed that Wilkins bought the Hardy Chest in 1931. This is impossible since Driscoll in 1930 published a drawing of a photograph of the Hardy Chest, Palmer earlier sent him. Palmer's letter makes clear he had purchased the chest in 1927 (this also disproves Howlett's claim Palmer acquired the bureau as the first piece of furniture in 1929 [in reality, Hardy Chest was first]).

Driscoll (1930):

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Howlett (1958):

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"Towards the end of 1931, Palmer bought an old, oak sea chest from Miss Pamela Hardy."

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This incorrect year [1931] you repeated in your 1996 book (page 9) without any fact checking. Stop being willfully ignorant.

Something else you are always conveniently ignoring when I ask the question: A treasure chart is to be solved, isn't it? Why are you wasting time on letters, and who wrote this/ who wrote that/it was that year/etc, etc.
I already answered this in the other thread: you will not get close to solving the maps (charts) unless you first know who was behind or involved in the hoax, the background of the hoaxers, the timeline and details of who owned the furniture pieces (the maps were in), and so on. The provenance of the furniture pieces is important since the records of ownership can ascertain who the hoaxer was.

No comment at all on what I propose is the answer (Pinaki atoll, Wilkins does mention it, very early on in one of his books, an early tease, that only he knows). With any intelligence, you may realise now why he continually mentions: coral/lagoons/sand/Palms.

The Kidd-Palmer maps have nothing to do with Pinaki atoll. This is nonsense you made up. It does not even make sense: you claim Wilkins knew the location of a buried treasure on this exotic island so why would he provide clues on maps to competing treasure hunters? Why did he not dig it up himself? In one of your earlier posts you used the poor excuse of WW2 but Wilkins lived on 15-years after the end of the Second World War. :tard: Furthermore, it is impossible Wilkins drew the Kidd-Palmer maps - he did not have any knowledge of the maps until he corresponded with and first met Hubert Palmer in May-June 1932 by invitation. You never comment about this for obvious reasons.
 
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There is another major flaw with your highly improbable claim Wilkins was the hoaxer who inserted clues on the maps (to Pinaki atoll) based on an "Anson file" (not just the glaring chronological inconsistency). Note that @gjb owns Harold T. Wilkins' unpublished manuscripts. To my knowledge, there is nothing in them about George Anson, an "Anson file", or a buried treasure on Pinaki atoll. I am sure he can clarify but he mentioned nothing about any of this in his books despite extensively quoting and discussing Wilkins' unpublished manuscripts. You expect people to believe Wilkins discovered a file by George Anson about a buried treasure in the British Museum but never once mentioned this in any of his private writings? You further expect people to believe the same file somehow went missing (alongside any references to it) in the British Museum? Of course, some files do go missing; a letter I was recently searching for went missing in the National Maritime Museum but despite lost there were still references to it in old cataloguing cards. If there was ever an Anson file about a buried treasure in the British Museum, it would appear referenced somewhere. However, this is not the case. The file never existed and is something else you made up.
 
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You live in your own bubble where Wilkins is King. You believe everything the devious conman says. If he told you the Earth was flat and Elvis lives on, you would believe him. (comment, Randawg 72 - He was a habitual liar). Wilkins' version re the charts discovery- you believe is gospel, IS WRONG!. You believe it because he wrote it! Many times, he has been proven unreliable and not to be trusted. I know who I would believe; Anthony D Howlett, who spent years on the case : A London barrister at the Board of Trade, the Remembrancer of the City of London (senior officer of the City of London Corporation, - the City's Ceremonial Officer and Chief of Protocol). Active on 'D' day plus 1. President of the Sherlock Holmes Society of London. Who is anyone seriously going to believe? Wilkins, the unreliable liar, or Anthony Howlet? steadfast, genuine and highly respected. I wish he were here so you could face him and call him a liar. Carry on and believe the rubbish if you want to. There are so many things in Wilkins' books where he is conning you, but you wouldn't know it. Something else you are always conveniently ignoring when I ask the question: A treasure chart is to be solved, isn't it? Why are you wasting time on letters, and who wrote this/ who wrote that/it was that year/etc, etc. All irrelevant waffle that does nothing to actually solve the charts and what the numbers on them mean. Is it because you know i solved them years ago? you hate that fact and will not admit it. No comment at all on what I propose is the answer (Pinaki atoll, Wilkins does mention it, very early on in one of his books, an early tease, that only he knows). With any intelligence, you may realise now why he continually mentions: coral/lagoons/sand/Palms. So, answer the question: why are you not trying to work out what the figures mean on the 'Key' chart? Is all this beyond you? or can you just not get out of your Wilkins bubble, where everything is gospel?
How about stop ranting and you put some facts on the table?

Cryptid did an immense job and so far we have seen close to nothing from you then unsustainable claims. At least his timeline claims are well documented here and deserve an answer from you (and a rectification of your own timeline I would assume!)

Yes I know "read my book" - I did and there are some interesting ideas but you connect them to fit your idea - nothing I would take serious.

When challenged to prove your point you hide behind secrecy and this further raises constant suspicion of you and your writings.

Why Crypid is not trying to work out what the figures mean on the 'Key' chart? - because he is better in the archives! I did quite some work on all the maps - did you even bother to have a look? It's not in a book but all here in the forum.

I explained the charts and the maritime background on them. They are clearly drawn by someone with nautical expierence. The instructions a dead reckoning directions. others like "V R" and so on.

Not that I have much hope but maybe we get some constructive ideas and facts from you?

 
Cryptid laid out a time line with evidence backing his claims to his credit. in which I agree with Bocaj I am truly impressed by Cryptid efforts. But I feel he is wasting his talents flogging a topic that is a dead horse. He has demonstrated time and time again Captain kidds alleged Charts are what they are 20th century fakes proven conclusively and shown with evidence time line of discovery and fate. Any hope that their is genuine information in them is wishful thinking at best.

if you genuinely desire to search for treasure search for primary documents like the ones below 7 chest of silver and 46000 pesos For example and not rely on the claims of 20th century treasure hunting books. They provide a camp fire treasure yarn. They inspire but rarely if ever lead to finding ANY treasure.

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A 1744 "piece of eight" coin (an 8 Reales silver coin) generally sells for between
$500 and over $3,500 USD, depending entirely on its condition, mint mark, and certification. BA

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Crow
 
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How about stop ranting and you put some facts on the table?

Cryptid did an immense job and so far we have seen close to nothing from you then unsustainable claims. At least his timeline claims are well documented here and deserve an answer from you (and a rectification of your own timeline I would assume!)

Yes I know "read my book" - I did and there are some interesting ideas but you connect them to fit your idea - nothing I would take serious.

When challenged to prove your point you hide behind secrecy and this further raises constant suspicion of you and your writings.

Why Crypid is not trying to work out what the figures mean on the 'Key' chart? - because he is better in the archives! I did quite some work on all the maps - did you even bother to have a look? It's not in a book but all here in the forum.

I explained the charts and the maritime background on them. They are clearly drawn by someone with nautical expierence. The instructions a dead reckoning directions. others like "V R" and so on.

Not that I have much hope but maybe we get some constructive ideas and facts from you?

The most frustrating thing is CapnGeorge apparently owns/has access to various private documents relevant to the Kidd-Palmer maps but he refuses to publish or share them with anyone. However, these can be published or disclosed under public interest and no one is going to take legal action against disclosure or publication considering the amount of time that has passed. In contrast, Gjb, has usefully scanned, published and quoted numerous private documents in his possession (see his website and books) such as Palmer's confidential letters to Wilkins and Wilkins' unpublished manuscripts. I noticed CapnGeorge in his 2016 book published an image that Gjb first published but inconsiderately with no image credit or acknowledgement. On page 242, CapnGeorge published a postcard sketch by Wilkins. This is owned by Gjb and was scanned and published in one of his books but this is not pointed out by CapnGeorge.

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There is no image credit or acknowledgement on this page. Furthermore, what makes this worse is CapnGeorge wrongly interprets the postcard - it is not remotely an admission by Wilkins he drew the map in the Hardy Chest and was the hoaxer. Rather, he is comparing the legend on the map in the Hardy Chest to those he drew himself (the 'Mar Del') and simply pointing out the legend on these maps at bottom was different: "Legend at base (but not as on my chart)."

Hardy Chest map -

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Mar Del map -

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It is quite frankly embarrassing how CapnGeorge got this so wrong. Even Gjb who owns the postcard must know CapnGeorge is sorely mistaken since he provides the correct straightforward interpretation or meaning of the postcard in his book.
 
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Cryptid laid out a time line with evidence backing his claims to his credit. in which I agree with Bocaj I am truly impressed by Cryptid efforts. But I feel he is wasting his talents flogging a topic that is a dead horse. He has demonstrated time and time again Captain kidds alleged Charts are what they are 20th century fakes proven conclusively and shown with evidence time line of discovery and fate. Any hope that their is genuine information in them is wishful thinking at best.

if you genuinely desire to search for treasure search for primary documents like the ones below 7 chest of silver and 46000 pesos For example and not rely on the claims of 20th century treasure hunting books. They provide a camp fire treasure yarn. They inspire but rarely if ever lead to finding ANY treasure.
I agree it makes no sense that the hoaxer would have left genuine information to a treasure on the maps unless he/she buried it themself and was setting up a treasure hunt and leaving clues on the maps. This is my viewpoint but it is of course possible that the hoaxer never buried anything and the maps lead to nothing. CapnGeorge now recognises the maps are a hoax but argues Wilkins (who he thinks was the hoaxer) inserted clues to a buried treasure by George Anson. Aside from the impossibility of Wilkins being the hoaxer (he had no knowledge of the maps until 1932), why would (a) Wilkins provide clues to rival treasure hunters despite he was supposedly searching for the treasure himself, and (b) if he knew the location of the treasure (Pinaki atoll) why did he not dig it up? CapnGeorge is still avoiding those questions.
 
I suspect Hoaxer as per say a joke was a little more. I suspect there was cynical exploitation of an old man in the stages of dementia who was fascinated by pirates and treasure who was shamelessly exploited by antiques dealer fraudulently and then followed by book authors exploiting the fraud all for their own personnel ends. In which in today's era does not stand up in today's ability for researchers to access information exposing for what is truly was. A fantasy.

And that is how treasure legends work. regardless people will continue blindly believe as if the fantasy is real like a religious epiphany.

Crow
 
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Re 'What happened to the Kidd-Palmer Charts'? All I see is arguments: 'She did', 'She didn't' 'It was in 1957'. 'No it wasn't'. Bla Bla! Let me settle it for you. They WERE sold in 1957, all three of them. I have the letter in front of me from the solicitors acting for Mrs Dick. End of! Don't be silly and ask me to show it, it is of course confidential.
And why the heated, wasted time on this subject? It doesn't matter when they were sold. What is so important about that? You should be concentrating your efforts on the veracity of the charts, why they were really created and where they really lead you to. They ARE a hoax/fraud regarding Kidd's/island/treasure, but contain genuine information hidden within.
Hi guys, forget the palmer maps they may have not been even been drawn by Captain Kidd himself, however included in my book (which you can get from your local library) he did draw and sign a rare map and that depicts Oak Island. Is there really a great treasure beneath Oak Island? yep, and if I get a call from the present searchers this year I will bring their quest to a successful conclusion and end your frustration and doubt.
Keep the faith and your fingers crossed.
Oak Island Sage
 
Thought I'd take a peek at TreasureNet, and there you are, all (most) still going around in circles. Craptid still burying his head in the (coral) sand with all his letters. I've said this before, - a treasure chart is for solving, but nobody in this thread seems capable of doing it. Who wrote what and when, appears to be more important. Some things need to be addressed while I think of them; the postcard sketch by Wilkins. This was sent to me by a colleague in Australia many years before my book was published. The map profile on it is unmistakably the same as on the charts, more proof he drew them. You have to be blind if you cannot see that. Cryptids quote;
.......the impossibility of Wilkins being the hoaxer as he had no knowledge of the maps until 1932'. Unquote. Cryptid is on another planet! Wilkins drew them and conned everyone into thinking he didn't! He was a habitual liar. Who do you think secreted these hoax maps into the furniture? It was Wilkins in collaboration with Hill Cutler, the dealer ideally positioned to do so, before passing them on to Palmer. What was in it for him? I wouldn't know. Ask Wilkins. Why didn't he go after the treasure? Why didn't he go after any of the 100s of others he wrote about closer to home? Anyone contemplating going to the middle of the South Pacific Ocean in the 30s/40s would need a lot of money and be prepared to do a lot of sailing. The same applies today. Cryptid again, quote: ......the Kidd-Palmer maps have nothing to do with Pinaki atoll, this is nonsense you (me) made up.' Unquote. This statement is proof he is not capable of in-depth research, so here's the answer, using Wilkins' map figures, NOT mine: Everyone (those with common sense and intelligence) knows the maps are based on the 1795 Spanish map of JFI. It is so blatantly obvious. It was easy for Wilkins to locate this chart, knowing the Anson file mentions JFI and a Spanish treasure linked to the Spanish Captain General Estaban Ubilla. JFI was a popular place for pirates and stories of buried treasure. Wilkins unearthed the Anson file, probably sometime in the 1920s or before. Quote: ' Treasure Hunting; 'Among the First Lord's papers in the confidential archives of the British Admiralty, in Whitehall, London are documents telling of the adventures of past hunters........' So the subject is a SPANISH treasure! And if you didn't know it, the Spanish used Cadiz as their meridian or starting point for navigation. Wilkins could have put any name on the charts; he chose Kidd for reasons explained in previous threads. Strictly speaking, they should be known as the Ubilla-Palmer charts. The code key for solving the charts is to put '1' in front of Wilkins' figures, giving us LAT 19.16N and 131.30E. Well fancy that, the almost exact position of Pinaki atoll from Cadiz. Wilkins, with his continuing efforts to confuse, has put N for S and E for W. Adding the 6.30 Cadiz meridian gives us 138 degrees longitude West from London. Can Cryptid get his glasses on and see that I did not make any of the above figures up?
THEY WERE PENNED BY WILKINS! I am not likely to get an apology; he'll be too busy working out ways to call me a liar again.
Let us look at the 'Mar Del' maps in his Skeleton Island book. Why did he include two, almost identical, with different direction figures? None of you has questioned this because you don't know. The map within the book, figures only, add the first two rows;
18+7+30+14 = 69. Bottom row; 7+8+4 = 19 (ring a bell at all?)
Inside covers map; add figures, first two rows; 18+7(disguised as 71, those in the know would know that) +26+18 = 69.
Two sets of '69', why? Well let's see, add them together and we get 138, the longitude of Pinaki from London, together with the figure of 19 for latitude. I told you Wilkins was devious. And NO cryptid, I didn't make those figures up either!!!
On the same charts is; Lat.d.m.d. A head scratcher, until you know that it decodes out to Lat 19 via the decoding of Anson's monument. There are people out there saying I made it all up! Really? It just goes to show, you cannot see what is staring you in the face. Because you haven't or cannot work it out yourselves, you rubbish the practical and sensible, genuine work of others, one in particular. Possibly too far advanced for you at this stage, but Anson built into one of his monuments on his Estate, a cypher, in Times Roman capital letters on two lines.. Guess what? when decoded, they give two figures: 138 and 19. Now, where have we seen that before?? and NO cryptid, I didn't make Anson's monument up!! What a stupid and silly man to say I made it all up.
No mention of Anson etc in any of Wilkins' files etc? By virtue of his codes,lies and deviousness, he was keeping it secret, as did Anson, it was a secret expedition to recover a treasure. But anyone doing serious in-depth research will know that he sent part of Anson's file to searchers on JFI in the 1950s, more proof he knew all about it.
Geoff Bath has done some good stuff, and I think I read somewhere - no mention of Anson etc? Possibly because he was concentrating on Oak Island and gathering together documents and letters etc about the Kidd maps saga and maybe not extending his research far beyond his 'bubble'. This was his 'thing', mine was solving the charts.
There are numerous other clues dotted around in his books, all giving the same answer when you know how to work them Another one, probably ignored, is a line in one of Wilkins' books: 'Eyeless and hairless, on th' island Pristarius'. Put there for a reason, containing clues. What he is really doing is drawing your attention to; Prime Star Scorpius. I'm not going into astromaths here, but when you know how to use the astro charts, guess what?; 138 and 19 come out again. No cryptid, I didn't make 'Pristarius' up, it's your favourite friend and master, honest! That's all. Read the book if you want to see other clues giving the same answer.
I shall wait, trembling in my seat, waiting for cryptid to find ways of telling everyone that everything said above is all lies, nonsense and made up! And I've just asked myself the question: 'Why would I want to do that?'
 

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