LUE MAP CLUES

[releventchair]

I'm missing something, RC. What's at Sardina Peak?

mdog!

I couldn't find a good picture of barracks windows to fit the description they were mentioned with. Not doubting the description.
.. But Sardinia's military barrack (not the AZ, Sardinia) which came up in looking for barracks looks busy with it's crest/coat of arms.
Which had an single eye each side . (Loins positions.) Might as well try the curved line through it too ...
And so on until AZ'.s Sardinia. Because...AZ. was mentioned prior even before barracks windows. Which were turning up before Sardia but just not good enough as described .

I ran away looking for Masons in sardinia. (Took me to England first.)

[ the legend of the Silver Bullion at Sardina Peak is nonetheless very interesting. There are two variants of the legend that I’m aware of, and both are detailed in Ron Quinn’s book, Searching for Arizona's Buried Treasures: A Two Year Odyseey. At this time, the portion of the book detailing the legend, (Chapter 26, Pages 116-120), is freely available to the public via Google Books.]

(Quinn topic.)

"I sat on the slope facing north. To my left (west), the steep hill followed the canyon for perhaps a mile, but something was definitely wrong. Below to my left was a canyon--where none had existed. Curious, I made my way down, entering it from the east side, or so I thought.

I soon discovered I was in the same canyon that led toward the hill I had just scaled. I was more than 250 yards back down the canyon on a different slope, and now I was facing south--I had mysteriously been transported to the new location. Thinking I was looking west, I was really looking east, seeing the canyon I had just hiked.

There was no way on earth I could have reached this other slope while climbing the original hill. Knowing where I was, suddenly I knew why this had happened. Any skepticism I had about this crazy site vanished."

Treasure Hunters Encounter Something Unexplained In The Arizona Mountains - Ancient Pages

The following story was reported by a treasure hunter who together will his friends visited the mysterious canyon. This fascinating journey into the unknown began in early 1956 and still remains an unsolved mystery today.

www.ancientpages.com

 

[sdcfia]

If you're feeling spicy..... give it a shot!

click me then ask me things!!!! It's free, albeit you do help train the model with your questions.....

Off the bat it's not too useful, but you can train it.

Yesterday I asked it for an exhaustive search for something, and it turned up nothing. Then I searched for what I wanted and I found it. It was publicly available, digitized, and online. So I went back to that openai.com session and yelled at it, something like:
"I told you to do an exhaustive search and you told me there was nothing to see. However, I found 'this' online at 'here' and it's open access to the public, but you didn't find it. Can you do exhaustive searches or not?"
It replied something like:
"You are correct to point that out Joe. I did an exhaustive search of the websites I thought most likely to contain what you were looking for." (probably in an effort to conserve resources....but I work in power and the data center boom is keeping us real busy. So I don't care about its resources )
I then said:
"Ok now I want you to do an exhaustive search, of every public facing website for 'this.'

After that it turned up what I wanted and then some. So you gotta coax it along. It will give you really stupid answers sometimes with coordinates in another state and you gotta say, "bro, that was stupid, here's why....also, you will never be a human"............. and it'll refine itself and then all of a sudden it says something you hadn't thought of and...... off yer runnin!

It will also tailor its answers to your preferences and say things it thinks you want to hear, so you gotta reel it in sometimes. "Are you saying that because I had brought that up earlier..." Etc.. Keep it honest, as possible.

I've so far found it oversold. Sometimes finds new information, sometimes finds nothing, sometimes gives you confirmation bias, almost always needs browbeating to produce anything potentially useful. Bottom line, it depends on how much of man's knowledge, information and experience has actually been indexed, and how much hardware/energy is available for it to function - at least available for us mooks on the street. Not as much as we'd hope at this time is my gut feeling. I also suspect that there will be a huge political roadblock in its "integrity", if that's not already very solidly baked into the cake.

I still occasionally use it though, if nothing else for the occasional surprises it delivers. We all like an occasional dopamine hit now and then.

 

[sdcfia]

Barracks.
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Barracks Sardinian.

Sardinia peak. AZ.

https://www.anyplaceamerica.com/directory/az/santa-cruz-county-04023/summits/sardina-peak-34084/

But Sardina Peak has nothing to do with Sardinia, the island. In fact, the peak should actually be called Sarvinia Peak, after some guy who lived near it. There was copper and silver mining in the area, which isn't far from the Tumacacori mission.

 

[mdog]

mdog!

I couldn't find a good picture of barracks windows to fit the description they were mentioned with. Not doubting the description.
.. But Sardinia's military barrack (not the AZ, Sardinia) which came up in looking for barracks looks busy with it's crest/coat of arms.
Which had an single eye each side . (Loins positions.) Might as well try the curved line through it too ...
And so on until AZ'.s Sardinia. Because...AZ. was mentioned prior even before barracks windows. Which were turning up before Sardia but just not good enough as described .

I ran away looking for Masons in sardinia. (Took me to England first.)

[ the legend of the Silver Bullion at Sardina Peak is nonetheless very interesting. There are two variants of the legend that I’m aware of, and both are detailed in Ron Quinn’s book, Searching for Arizona's Buried Treasures: A Two Year Odyseey. At this time, the portion of the book detailing the legend, (Chapter 26, Pages 116-120), is freely available to the public via Google Books.]

(Quinn topic.)

"I sat on the slope facing north. To my left (west), the steep hill followed the canyon for perhaps a mile, but something was definitely wrong. Below to my left was a canyon--where none had existed. Curious, I made my way down, entering it from the east side, or so I thought.

I soon discovered I was in the same canyon that led toward the hill I had just scaled. I was more than 250 yards back down the canyon on a different slope, and now I was facing south--I had mysteriously been transported to the new location. Thinking I was looking west, I was really looking east, seeing the canyon I had just hiked.

There was no way on earth I could have reached this other slope while climbing the original hill. Knowing where I was, suddenly I knew why this had happened. Any skepticism I had about this crazy site vanished."

Treasure Hunters Encounter Something Unexplained In The Arizona Mountains - Ancient Pages

The following story was reported by a treasure hunter who together will his friends visited the mysterious canyon. This fascinating journey into the unknown began in early 1956 and still remains an unsolved mystery today.

www.ancientpages.com

Ok. I forgot about the barracks windows that Ramiro mentioned.

Thanks for the link to Quin's book. I've been looking for a book about treasure hunting in Arizona.

I've read more about the Masons, in the past year, than I have during the previous 75. I've been searching for a connection between the star Capella and the Masons. Remember when L.C. Baker posted a picture of an artifact with the word Capella on it? From coordinates on the LUE map, I believe the star Capella indicates the Kensington Runestone. Something of interest is that, above 44 degrees north latitude, Capella is visible all night long and all year long.

 

[releventchair]

But Sardina Peak has nothing to do with Sardinia, the island. In fact, the peak should actually be called Sarvinia Peak, after some guy who lived near it. There was copper and silver mining in the area, which isn't far from the Tumacacori mission.

I explained how I got there as mdog inquired. I didn't declare it made sense.

One more.

Back to Quinn's account. No I don't declare him canonized.
He's been around the block.
He's not stating being lost. (Again he's been around beyond the asphalt a few times).
He's not cussing a directional compass messed up by geodes or whatever in the area is glitchy energy.

He gives directions he moves and describes what is being seen or not seen where it should as he follows a course that puts him back on square one. At which point he realizes the unduplicated; duplicated reversal.
Then isn't surprised.

A distorted mirror image of a route and sights and altered from what it should appear terrain?
That isn't magnetic interference.
It didn't seem described as the typical lost wader a circle. I may place too much on Quinns prior experience out and about for him to not recognize if he was: turned around" lost.
But he describes being turned around. In a way that wasn't backtracking.

Is his there and back and sides a mirror image being offered that has two different sides reflecting different views/objects each side created by the first side(his initial course) first for one side; followed by his return course for the second ?
I didn't draw it out per Quinns directions with the mentioned ridge(s). Nor did I trace lay lines by his directions .
But let's imagine (sorry, fact is hidden far away here and I'm imagining) we did.
After drawing Quinns mini adventure ricochet.. Where would the Indian "portal" go on the drawing and what would it look like as a symbol or icon?
Anything else referred to that describes anything anywhere near the Lue's contents?

The first account I find of the lue remains the same person. Who studied so many stories and accounts ....
A conglomerate seems inevitable if fiction writing.
No I'm not saying the map is fiction.
I am suggesting there was a wealth of things to draw from to create a puzzling map for a make work program.
And it wouldn't be the first time a map wasn't real.
If it's a map; map..

Oh look an arrow. Kind of. There were native fish spearheads with multiple barbs.
Often barbed on only one side. But not always.
I doubt borrowing something replicates it each time drawn .
I would expect such items near water which isn't everywhere.
A weir is a fish trap you can poke and lift fish from. Not sure how that trasfers to arid sites. But am not on one at the moment.

 

[mdog]

If you're feeling spicy..... give it a shot!

click me then ask me things!!!! It's free, albeit you do help train the model with your questions.....

Off the bat it's not too useful, but you can train it.

Yesterday I asked it for an exhaustive search for something, and it turned up nothing. Then I searched for what I wanted and I found it. It was publicly available, digitized, and online. So I went back to that openai.com session and yelled at it, something like:
"I told you to do an exhaustive search and you told me there was nothing to see. However, I found 'this' online at 'here' and it's open access to the public, but you didn't find it. Can you do exhaustive searches or not?"
It replied something like:
"You are correct to point that out Joe. I did an exhaustive search of the websites I thought most likely to contain what you were looking for." (probably in an effort to conserve resources....but I work in power and the data center boom is keeping us real busy. So I don't care about its resources )
I then said:
"Ok now I want you to do an exhaustive search, of every public facing website for 'this.'

After that it turned up what I wanted and then some. So you gotta coax it along. It will give you really stupid answers sometimes with coordinates in another state and you gotta say, "bro, that was stupid, here's why....also, you will never be a human"............. and it'll refine itself and then all of a sudden it says something you hadn't thought of and...... off yer runnin!

It will also tailor its answers to your preferences and say things it thinks you want to hear, so you gotta reel it in sometimes. "Are you saying that because I had brought that up earlier..." Etc.. Keep it honest, as possible.

Thank you. I'll give it a try.

 

[releventchair]

Who drew?
And why?

We've seen examples of Travis Tumlinson's stonework.
The chimney being one of if not the earliest.
Was it a treasure map? A deceit? No the work was neither. But we have the advantage of his family declaring what it was.
Later Travis was carving again. And again icon type symbolism. Choices based on what

Colonial era women's pockets. (Bear with me.)
Consider the utilitarian aspect aside and look at the samples of work.
Number of stiches per inch for example. How straight the stitches. Then to the art aspects. And subjects which certainly varied.
Now move closer towards us in time to the needlework samplers framed on house interior walls at time.
What they do is showcase skill and ability. A bit more structured in content. Alphabet letters maybe.

Sometimes the Lue map stalls me out into thinking someone was staring at the wall subconsciously and started a sampler of thier own.
Or worse , found a sampler of a pattern board of someone elses.
I don't try the Masons as the source though one or more could have been an influence.
( No reason a treasurer for example would need to elaborate.)

The original author / drawer would be nice to know. It's awful busy in content .
A map should get you somewhere without having to press your eyes against it as you progress.

Colonial women picked ‘pockets’

Nursery rhymes were a big part of our childhood. Most of us can still repeat the lines of many favorites. But do you know what some of them mean? My guess is that we have rarely taken the time to fig…

www.columbiatribune.com

 

[Ramiro valdez]

I explained how I got there as mdog inquired. I didn't declare it made sense.

One more.

Back to Quinn's account. No I don't declare him canonized.
He's been around the block.
He's not stating being lost. (Again he's been around beyond the asphalt a few times).
He's not cussing a directional compass messed up by geodes or whatever in the area is glitchy energy.

He gives directions he moves and describes what is being seen or not seen where it should as he follows a course that puts him back on square one. At which point he realizes the unduplicated; duplicated reversal.
Then isn't surprised.

A distorted mirror image of a route and sights and altered from what it should appear terrain?
That isn't magnetic interference.
It didn't seem described as the typical lost wader a circle. I may place too much on Quinns prior experience out and about for him to not recognize if he was: turned around" lost.
But he describes being turned around. In a way that wasn't backtracking.

Is his there and back and sides a mirror image being offered that has two different sides reflecting different views/objects each side created by the first side(his initial course) first for one side; followed by his return course for the second ?
I didn't draw it out per Quinns directions with the mentioned ridge(s). Nor did I trace lay lines by his directions .
But let's imagine (sorry, fact is hidden far away here and I'm imagining) we did.
After drawing Quinns mini adventure ricochet.. Where would the Indian "portal" go on the drawing and what would it look like as a symbol or icon?
Anything else referred to that describes anything anywhere near the Lue's contents?

The first account I find of the lue remains the same person. Who studied so many stories and accounts ....
A conglomerate seems inevitable if fiction writing.
No I'm not saying the map is fiction.
I am suggesting there was a wealth of things to draw from to create a puzzling map for a make work program.
And it wouldn't be the first time a map wasn't real.
If it's a map; map..

Oh look an arrow. Kind of. There were native fish spearheads with multiple barbs.
Often barbed on only one side. But not always.
I doubt borrowing something replicates it each time drawn .
I would expect such items near water which isn't everywhere.
A weir is a fish trap you can poke and lift fish from. Not sure how that trasfers to arid sites. But am not on one at the moment.
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That is the most honest explanation as to why you did what you did!! According to Maddog inquiry! I'm seriously laughing at how you made a lot of sense! This should be a commercial. "I only went there? Cause that's where we are going with this discussion! This is memorable to me and I commend you for answering that way! Honest question, honest answer, makes me what to get more involved. I'm busy on the road but I'm I am going to answer your quest!

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Here are the three things.

The major area map.

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The general area map.

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And the immediate area map.

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This is Brewer's site at Smoke Rock Mountain where he made a recovery.

Maddog, at the moment I'm lost for words looking at this three things? There is a thread here about Oak island by Geo, where he wants to involve serious historians and academic intelligent individuals, such as found in Cipher Mystery. But when it comes to cipher maps? A man with less intelligence has a better chance at deciphering a cipher map than the most intelligent individual in the world! Why is that? Don't answer. I will answer that. So what I'm trying to say nicely is that you are very knowledgeable in your field of expertise. I can't compete with that or with anyone who is very good at what they went to school to master. This is the reason why I questioned? What is the definition of a cipher map? Why was it made? How is this map going to help anyone with too much intelligence? I appreciate your participation very much and I will assure you that you won't be disappointed with the knowledge that I'm going share about cipher maps. I'm going to post the definition of what a cipher map is and how to approach every clue. Im not going to stop anyone from posting whatever they want to post. In fact I understand to want to try grasping for straws looking for leads based on not having enough cipher knowledge. So I'm not going to tear apart those individual who are trying, but do not make sense, at least not directly unless they try me, except you! Just joking!LOL! But am going to say what is not common sense about what some treasure hunters say. Follow my lead and stay focus on the definition of a cipher map. Some of you have already questioned others in this thread about things that make no sense! That's the right focus.

 

[releventchair]

That is the most honest explanation as to why you did what you did!! According to Maddog inquiry! I'm seriously laughing at how you made a lot of sense! This should be a commercial. "I only went there? Cause that's where we are going with this discussion! This is memorable to me and I commend you for answering that way! Honest question, honest answer, makes me what to get more involved. I'm busy on the road but I'm I am going to answer your quest!

mdog has been patient with me for a very long time.
If nothing else I have provided distraction and some contrasts.
(mdog and I crossed trails way back when over a non Lue topic of mutual interest. I continue to be the beneficiary of that.)

Pitch in though.
The right puzzle piece could be the one to make the other missing ones not as necessary to see enough of the picture. Hey , it could happen.
( I also have a mallet to help fit pieces. As you've already seen demonstrated.)

 

[cuzimloony]

I've so far found it oversold. Sometimes finds new information, sometimes finds nothing, sometimes gives you confirmation bias, almost always needs browbeating to produce anything potentially useful. Bottom line, it depends on how much of man's knowledge, information and experience has actually been indexed, and how much hardware/energy is available for it to function - at least available for us mooks on the street. Not as much as we'd hope at this time is my gut feeling. I also suspect that there will be a huge political roadblock in its "integrity", if that's not already very solidly baked into the cake.

I still occasionally use it though, if nothing else for the occasional surprises it delivers. We all like an occasional dopamine hit now and then.

You have to spend some time with it and train it, if there is the patience, and many of those complaints, albeit valid complaints, can be minimized.
As to the confirmation bias, you are correct. The way out of that one is to see if someone else can produce the same results as I did without the history that I have in my sessions.
Someone, anyone, give it a shot Let's see how consistent it is.
I used the photo from neo and I let it choose any pre-1970 dollar.
I did not suggest it was a cipher. I asked if it saw a relation between the dollar and the "map," and IT said "yeah, this looks like a cipher." Etc.....
Someone else try It would be a good experiment.

 

[mdog]

mdog has been patient with me for a very long time.
If nothing else I have provided distraction and some contrasts.
(mdog and I crossed trails way back when over a non Lue topic of mutual interest. I continue to be the beneficiary of that.)

Pitch in though.
The right puzzle piece could be the one to make the other missing ones not as necessary to see enough of the picture. Hey , it could happen.
( I also have a mallet to help fit pieces. As you've already seen demonstrated.)

I've learned a lot from you, my friend and I appreciate the information that you've shared over the years. I hope we both have many more years on Tnet.

 

[mdog]

Who drew?
And why?

We've seen examples of Travis Tumlinson's stonework.
The chimney being one of if not the earliest.
Was it a treasure map? A deceit? No the work was neither. But we have the advantage of his family declaring what it was.
Later Travis was carving again. And again icon type symbolism. Choices based on what

Colonial era women's pockets. (Bear with me.)
Consider the utilitarian aspect aside and look at the samples of work.
Number of stiches per inch for example. How straight the stitches. Then to the art aspects. And subjects which certainly varied.
Now move closer towards us in time to the needlework samplers framed on house interior walls at time.
What they do is showcase skill and ability. A bit more structured in content. Alphabet letters maybe.

Sometimes the Lue map stalls me out into thinking someone was staring at the wall subconsciously and started a sampler of thier own.
Or worse , found a sampler of a pattern board of someone elses.
I don't try the Masons as the source though one or more could have been an influence.
( No reason a treasurer for example would need to elaborate.)

The original author / drawer would be nice to know. It's awful busy in content .
A map should get you somewhere without having to press your eyes against it as you progress.

Colonial women picked ‘pockets’

Nursery rhymes were a big part of our childhood. Most of us can still repeat the lines of many favorites. But do you know what some of them mean? My guess is that we have rarely taken the time to fig…

www.columbiatribune.com

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I've spent a lot of time over the past year, looking at the LUE map and I continue to make new discoveries. Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck finding the history of the map, so, all I have are theories. There are some who say they know the history of the map, but they aren't talking.

That's an interesting article about the pockets. My wife used to cross stitch and she made some beautiful creations. Most of them had a colonial theme.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

mdog has been patient with me for a very long time.
If nothing else I have provided distraction and some contrasts.
(mdog and I crossed trails way back when over a non Lue topic of mutual interest. I continue to be the beneficiary of that.)

Pitch in though.
The right puzzle piece could be the one to make the other missing ones not as necessary to see enough of the picture. Hey , it could happen.
( I also have a mallet to help fit pieces. As you've already seen demonstrated.)

When I first joined this treasure site, I noticed that there were many clowns making fun of what members were posting to the point that sometimes they would tear them down. Because of this many would not participate in fear of being made fun off. I made it a point to fight back, by using common sense, against such abuse. You defend your post with straight forward truthfulness and honesty in saying that you're trying to help solved this mystery by doing your part in gathering information that may directly or indirectly help piece together this mystery, no matter how crazy the information may be? You are absolutely right due to the fact that no one has gotten close to define it in many years and many have tried. Your honesty statement blew me away and everyone else who would ever want to question your input? I was laughing at how you managed to shut everyone down initially! Then I became that stupid clowns thinking aloud about a possible commercial. My apologies for offending you and appreciation for setting me straight! Would not ask for anything less, I had it coming. Hope this encourages members to participate without fear of being laugh at because that would really hinder Maddog's mission of solving the LUE cipher map!!!!! Again! I apologize!!!! I'll get back on trac!

 

[releventchair]

I've spent a lot of time over the past year, looking at the LUE map and I continue to make new discoveries. Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck finding the history of the map, so, all I have are theories. There are some who say they know the history of the map, but they aren't talking.

That's an interesting article about the pockets. My wife used to cross stitch and she made some beautiful creations. Most of them had a colonial theme.

.

When I first joined this treasure site, I noticed that there were many clowns making fun of what members were posting to the point that sometimes they would tear them down. Because of this many would not participate in fear of being made fun off. I made it a point to fight back, by using common sense, against such abuse. You defend your post with straight forward truthfulness and honesty in saying that you're trying to help solved this mystery by doing your part in gathering information that may directly or indirectly help piece together this mystery, no matter how crazy the information may be? You are absolutely right due to the fact that no one has gotten close to define it in many years and many have tried. Your honesty statement blew me away and everyone else who would ever want to question your input? I was laughing at how you managed to shut everyone down initially! Then I became that stupid clowns thinking aloud about a possible commercial. My apologies for offending you and appreciation for setting me straight! Would not ask for anything less, I had it coming. Hope this encourages members to participate without fear of being laugh at because that would really hinder Maddog's mission of solving the LUE cipher map!!!!! Again! I apologize!!!! I'll get back on trac!

No need to apologize to me.
Carry on.

 

[mdog]

The LUE cipher map is truly based on a window that was used in certain buildings in the 1930's especially in the military barracks. I know, I started my military career in 1979 and they were still using those type of windows. This windows were divided into four sections. The two lower sections sometimes were used for privacy and were not very clear plus they were always stationary. The upper half of the window could be unlock by moving the lock found in the center portion of the window. Unlocking the window would allow you to either push the upper half of the window open. In some windows you would have a handle that you would turn to open the window. So this cipher map was based on that specific type of window. The two upper sections of the window are the only ones that will allow you to look outside. The sun's rays on the LUE cipher map explains that the two upper sections of the window are clear and are the only two that will allow to see what is outside the window. Unlocking the window will allow you to see more of what is outside the window. Without the keys the window is just a square and you will never get out of that square. The opening of the window will give away the first part of a large area that is going to define a certain state because the map maker wants you to stay focus on the first part of the major map so you don't go wandering into left field. It is a cipher which hides the needed information to locate a treasure, but it's hidden information is no different in methods that you would find in most regular old instructional maps. Which means that in order to help someone find a treasure or a place? One needs to inform the receiver of the three things he is going, for sure need. That is the major area map, the general area map, and the immediate area map. When you deviate from common sense? And no one is going to listen to you! Because you make no sense!!!! It is a very crowded symbolic cipher and he intentionally ciphered too much but he did it to show how much knowledge he had obtained from certain books pertaining to the Templars plus he wanted to describe the some specifics of the venture. So, Bob Brewer knows that he is going to be wrong sometimes because he doesn't have all the answers to symbolic ciphering and that can happen to most who are looking for answers. He has a good character and he definitely means to do right by all. He definitely knows a good amount of ciphering and you could learn from him. I help those who need the help, but not those who want to help themselves.

Here's an excerpt that I found about Lafayette C. Baker, a Union spy during the Civil War, and how he processed information.

Baker had a system devised which eliminated the need for written words and maps. He memorized them. He could but others couldn't. He would divide a map into four segments of equal size and then determine the important segments. He would then concentrate on the important segments. He would draw mental lines diagonally cross the segments and then refer everything to these lines and their point of intersection, referring to everything in kilometers and degrees of [a] compass. He would then remember the two sets of numbers. He could retain up to fifty sets of numbers and transpose them back onto a map of different scale some two to five days later with no error. Once he met someone he could always call them by name on the next meeting. He was, without doubt, a genius.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

mdog has been patient with me for a very long time.
If nothing else I have provided distraction and some contrasts.
(mdog and I crossed trails way back when over a non Lue topic of mutual interest. I continue to be the beneficiary of that.)

Pitch in though.
The right puzzle piece could be the one to make the other missing ones not as necessary to see enough of the picture. Hey , it could happen.
( I also have a mallet to help fit pieces. As you've already seen demonstrated.)

Here's an excerpt that I found about Lafayette C. Baker, a Union spy during the Civil War, and how he processed information.

Baker had a system devised which eliminated the need for written words and maps. He memorized them. He could but others couldn't. He would divide a map into four segments of equal size and then determine the important segments. He would then concentrate on the important segments. He would draw mental lines diagonally cross the segments and then refer everything to these lines and their point of intersection, referring to everything in kilometers and degrees of [a] compass. He would then remember the two sets of numbers. He could retain up to fifty sets of numbers and transpose them back onto a map of different scale some two to five days later with no error. Once he met someone he could always call them by name on the next meeting. He was, without doubt, a genius.

Very interesting, I like it! You never know? And the more you know, especially when you're venturing into cipher maps, the more prepared you will be! Believe me! It's going to make sense because the compass was used a lot on old historical cipher maps. This genius, was graphing coordinates and probably was carrying a spyglass doing what pirates used to do. He was covering a large area and he used a square sheet of paper like a plain map. It section represented an area of the mapping that he set out to do and this way he didn't have to unfold tge nap fully. He knew how to use the compass and he aligned the paper to the compass drawing each intercepting lines creating many points of references which he could transfer on to a real map. Can you memorize 50 coordinates without lines? If he did he would not need lines on a paper? Just saying cause I would tend to think that he was mainly plotting reference points. I could be wrong? But let's not focus on weather he memorize the coordinates but the way that he ciphered coordinates using a spyglass, compass, intersecting points based on compass alignments, without writing numbers or words! Give that guy a medal!!!

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Some old military barracks constructed with cinder blocks were able to hold many large window panels wall to wall. The outer wall of a room contained many window panels wall to wall. The window panels were placed four feet off the floor and the first row of window panels had a glaze on it for more privacy. Because of so many window panels one could see almost everything that was happening outside. The second row, followed by the rest of window panels were all clear. The only difference was that the second row contained two window openings. Each opening contained two window panels and were spaced out to allow fresh air into the room. There was a rotating handle for each window opening on the right side, but first you had to unlock the window at its central point. The map maker must of had knowledge of the different type of window setups. He decided to use a very similar window setup for his cipher map, as the one I described. In order to read the LUE map you have to know how to open the window. He drew clues around the window on paper which explained how to open the window plus a few extra clues to help in deciphering each quadrant or panel. He released several maps and each map was missing a small amount of information that the other maps had insinuating that you needed to combine all the maps together to be successful. But that wasn't true because non of them had the keys or clues that would help you open the map to be able to read it. I have to give credit to Sergei for exposing the only map you will need containing the clues to open the window. The map maker replaced the handle with a rotating instrument because he needed a symbol that would describe rotation to work with other clues but not the handle because it would be too easy for someone to figure out that the window had to be opened by rotating a handle several times. He was very confident giving away the maps knowing that no one would understand a simple window with four panels containing many symbolic cipher clues! Who would? When you have missing information? Missing a clue can be crucial in deciphering a cipher map, but not always. As a matter of fact I personally found the area in question by using Trabuco's storyline and applying all the treasure hunting knowledge obtained by many other cipher maps before I came in contact with Sergie's LUE map containing the keys or clues that would unfold the cipher map. Even though I was able to find the site, I can assure that without the map one will not be able to locate the exact location. Cipher maps are very precise to be followed steps by step and the last step or clue is the most important one. So you can cheat like I did or take shortcuts cause you're not interested in the story that goes along with the map? But the cipher map is going to force you to stay in line if you want to get to the last clue. That's why explaining a cipher the way it's supposed to be is very important to those who don't understand cipher maps. A cipher map is going to explain everything you need to know in order to locate the treasure. Most people who follow the basic cipher symbols allow themselves be taken away from the immediate area of the treasure because they do not understand that the map maker is only substituting symbols to cover for the explanation or information that would normally be found in a map that is not ciphered. If you loose focus on the idea that a treasure map has to have three mapping areas with step by step instructions to lead you to the treasure? Then you have already lost the battle!!!!! not to take away from people trying, but most treasures are going to be found where the story took place. A cipher map related to the same story has the last word on where they buried the treasure. But I would cation every one to first consider wisely where the story took place before insisting to go to the four corners of the universe. A cipher is made to deceive you and draw you away from the treasure first, secondary it is going to inform you of what not to do if you understand ciphering. With this understanding you will be able to understand what I'm about to say about the German LUE cipher map. Remember common sense is very important!

 

[Ramiro valdez]

The LUE cipher treasure map, in my opinion, is the most difficult symbolic cipher treasure map of the 20th century. It was created by the use of many symbolic ciphered symbols. But what is the definition of a cipher map? A cipher map, based on my knowledge, is a map that can be created by using numbers, letters, words, languages, lines, symbols, mathematical equations, terrain, drawings, compass alignments, shadows, movable objects, cryptic ciphered text, ciphered messaging, outlines of rock structures, mountains, basically anything the map maker wants use, based on his knowledge of what he knows and will want to use? He will then add a selective symbolic meaning to every symbol he is going to use to deliver secret information or instructions that will help in defining a specific place where something is hidden. He is the only one who knows the meaning of the cipher and will always be his way or the highway. That's why I call it a unilateral explanation based on the meaning that he will attach to everything he uses. The LUE map is very difficult and lengthy based on the many symbolic symbols the map maker used to explain the story behind the map. I don't know what the LUE means? I'm thinking? Long Unilateral Explanation? I could be wrong, but not far from the truth. Some maps can be accompanied by a certain story that the map maker wants you to know? This will require the addition of more symbols creating more confusion to the simple minded? As jack has stated before? I'm just saying that simple jack will not be able to figure it out! LOL! This is a very interesting game for all those who love challenges? It's a game of hide and seek! He hides a treasure using his magical skills of ciphering and you figure it out! Simple! You learn more as you go until you master the art in deciphering! Do they teach this in academics? Nooooo!!!!!! You learn it out in the streets! I mean in the field! But the more education you can acquire the better chance you will have. An academic individual, is one who is highly trained in a specific field or fields. He follows rules and walks the straight line. He is considered a nerd when facing cipher maps! Cipher maps break all the rules and to them such a map is considered unimaginable, maybe even stupid or doesn't make sense? Therefore a man with basic intelligence has a better chance of deciphering a cipher map than the most intelligent man in the world. That's why Bob Brewer is cautioning the audience he is about to encounter, to hold all questions to the end of his presentation. He knows that the audience has very little knowledge of deciphering. Good luck to you, Mr. Brewer! Common sense will guide you every single time when tackling a cipher map. The dollar bill is symbolic in nature and its define symbolic meaning can be helpful as long as you apply it to the map or the proper location of where the treasure is supposed to be buried.The bad news is that the map maker used symbols similar to what you see in the dollar bill? Or similar to what the Templars have used before. But the way in which the LUE map uses them is different from what anything anyone has seen before. So, I'm going to read the cipher map symbols to help you understand how he used them and why. Once you open the window, you will see how he exposes the first two mapping areas which will lead you to the third area.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

There is a reason why people do the things they do? Especially pirates who steal gold! In order to understand their thinking? One has to try to be the subject or the pirate, to think like him, to see what he saw, to know what he knows? In order to make sense of what his done! With common sense! This story is going to open a can of worms, eventually. So let's break down the pirate's mystery, based on information. He was a German spy said the government and he hid a large amount of gold. All that was left was a cipher map? Or several similar cipher maps? Dwell into the mind of the pirate! He found a window that attracted his attention? He drew the window's setting or placement as he first saw it and now you have it in front of your eye. A window that from a distance looks like it's shut closed? But as you get closer you find that something is out of place. This is what caught his attention and interest. As he looked closer, he found out that the window was not locked in the closed position. The latch was locked in place and in his mind the idea of a symbolic sine wave symbol came to light that would eventually represent the locking mechanism. The closer he came, allowed him to identify one more thing? The window was not fully retracted into place identified by one of its sides not pressing tightly on the window seal? This is amazing! He took notes of how a window initially looks like its secure to the eye from far way, but not! And he wondered if anybody would figure this out if he drew it on a paper? Especially using cipher symbols? The first clue is that the window is not locked by the latching symbolic symbol mechanism. So the window is laying on the seal but not closed. So the window can be open, but how would you know that he wants you to open the window if he doesn't give you the instructions or keys to follow? Good question! Now you have found the keys and understand that he wants you to crack open the window. No need to unlock it, just follow the symbolic instructions to what he wants done. The starting point is the lock by all common sense and something that points to what you have to do next which is what the pointer is pointing to? This is where the symbolic brain start to work! The pointer points to four things but only three of them come into action. The pointer points to a line that reaches the outer part of the right corner of the window, then a stationary line that belongs to the window frame, a fade line outside of the window frame and finally a rotating symbolic instrument? Can you visualize the handle being rotated, window moving, and two lines switching places to show how far the window needs to be cracked? Can you follow those instructions to crack open the window? Can you rotate the lines? There is only two lines that you can rotate. But can you rotate each line in the order they have been given to you and place them exactly in the angle that they have been drawn for you in the opposing side of the window to describe that the window is now open? Those anyone here know how to follow symbolic cipher instructions and can you please show the final product of this window crack open as the map maker is insisting you do. I'm going to stop right here because it very important that you learn to open this window. If you don't open the window you will never understand symbolic ciphering. I suggest that you step away from this cipher map if you do not understand ciphering instructions. Just doing you a favor. Before I proceed!