Oak Island Treasure Revelations

[Sand Swinger]

From the author's web site:

But my favorite line is from the OP: "my discoveries ... are based on a mixture of fact and probability". In other words, he just made stuff up. If this guy had even a shred of evidence to support any of this he could convince the usual True Believers to at least take a shot at it. Instead, the best he can do is sell books.

Speaking of books Carl, I got a few detecting goodies for Christmas this year and one of those was YOUR book! I've been wanting the 3rd edition for some time so I had it on my want list that I gave to the wife. Thank God I'm retired, it's gonna take me a while to get through all 612 pages. I'll need to pace myself, so much info in that book my head will explode if I try reading too fast, lol.

 

[mtdoramike]

Oak Island Sage, I hope they take you up on your offer because the longer the show continues, the more disheartened Rick looks and the more Marty is trying to pump him up and keep it going.

 

[TruthbeTold]

I have confidential definitive evidence of some things but mere speculation based on logic on others. As we were not alive back when the mine was originally built we cannot be really sure of anything. We have to just assemble clues and read between the lines, and then endeavour to make an hypotenuse based on logical and probability, as I have done.
Oak Island Sage

Definitive evidence followed by speculation based on logic of others?

Sounds like so many others who claim to have found the treasure BUT never provide any proof.

Yet another ad for a book of fiction in an attempt to make a dollar from the oak island scam.

 

[3cylbill]

Definitive evidence followed by speculation based on logic of others?

Sounds like so many others who claim to have found the treasure BUT never provide any proof.

Yet another ad for a book of fiction in an attempt to make a dollar from the oak island scam.

Yauuuun....

 

[gjb]

Would the answer to the Oak Island 'mystery' most likely be found then with one of those few screened and selected to appear as a guest theorist on the show or do you think it would be most likely found in the vast amount of information the Oak Island team have received in over a decade but have decided to not inform the audience about?

While we've never seen eye to eye, this seems to be a good point. The Curse of Oak Island appears to delight in selecting such 'kooks', but apparently now only those who support the line that they're currently peddling. Who can say what's been rejected in the past simply because it's not what they wanted to hear, and I'd suggest that this goes back to the late 1960s and the Triton era. They weren't good listeners, either!

The sad thing is that they're not even interested in testable hypotheses. When mine was presented to Marty Lagina, he replied that he would see what the producers had to say. And there was I thinking that he was the producer! Of course, he meant either Prometheus or the History channel which may even argue that he has little or no say in what's considered relevant to the quest and to the series as they see it and therefore how they want the world to see it.

In any event, what the audience has not been informed about seems not to matter to many here, because they've decided that whatever it is must be wrong without the need to investigate or test it!

 

[Cryptid1990]

Based on Oak Island Sage's comment his book reproduces a map drawn and signed by Captain Kidd, I bought it on Kindle.

Hi Cryptid1990, you could see the map in shown my book at you local library if you don't want to your own your own copy. Some of the maps actually by Captain Kidd's Quarter master, I would personally judge the best of those to be the South China Sea map, also name the Skelton Island Map. It does contain some vital clues but unfortunately a lot of misleading information that frustrates some people. I won't elaborate on these but I will say the only map that matters was really drawn by Captain Kidd's, his finale map depicting Oak Island and even where his ship anchored there.

This map Oak Island Sage is referring to ("Deadman's Island") is already something I posted several months back in another thread.

A better quality variant of the same map exists:

The original map was purchased by Edward Rowe Snow. It will be noted the map variant states:

In the 1940s, H. P. Hood and Sons Dairy sponsored a radio station show that aired on WNAC (Boston) called "Six Bells" narrated by Edward Rowe Snow. The show focused on stories of pirates and buried treasure and I presume Snow discussed the Deadman's Island map. Oak Island Sage claims handwriting experts have determined the signature by Captain William Kidd on the map to be genuine, however, this is dubious at best and not a shred of evidence is provided. Who were these so-called experts? Secondly, if the map (or handwriting on it) was authenticated by historians or paleographers as by Kidd, why is there no scholarly literature that mentions this? Surely if experts examined and determined it was a genuine 17th century pirate treasure map signed by William Kidd - this would be extensively discussed in academic literature yet there is nothing. If you search for this Deadman's Island map allegedly drawn and signed by Captain Kidd you primarily find fringe/pseudohistorical literature and websites about Oak Island. Apparently there is an article about the map in LIFE magazine but I have been unable to find it. Regardless of the signature on the map, the style of the map does not look to be 17th century but like the Kidd-Palmer maps, much more modern and in the vein of Robert Louis Stevenson's fictional Treasure Island map (1883). The Deadman's Island map was very likely drawn in the early 20th century and the fact its provenance cannot be established before then speaks for itself.

Oak Island Sage claims that the island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is Oak Island but this is patently false. The main island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is clearly a different shape to Oak Island and there are numerous profound topographical differences. Oak Island Sage ignores all those. Suffice to say, he does not present a convincing reason to identify Deadman's Island as Oak Island (when they look dissimilar) and you might as well arbitrarily argue Deadman's Island is Ireland or Japan. He also fails to present any credible historical evidence Captain Kidd traveled to Oak Island despite repeatedly asserting this is "indisputable". His belief Kidd visited Oak Island is entirely based on the Deadman's Island map which he naively believes was drawn by Captain Kidd. Oak Island Sage goes on to claim not only did Kidd travel to Oak Island but other pirates including Henry Every set foot there to bury treasure, but again no evidence presented at all. Oak Island Sage further claims Every and Kidd met together on the island and were part of a "secret Oak Island project".

Overall, an awful book. Completely devoid of critical thinking; filled with evidence-free and improbable claims.

My rating 1/10.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Based on Oak Island Sage's comment his book reproduces a map drawn and signed by Captain Kidd, I bought it on Kindle.


This map Oak Island Sage is referring to ("Deadman's Island") is already something I posted several months back in another thread.

A better quality variant of the same map exists:

View attachment 2240079

The original map was purchased by Edward Rowe Snow. It will be noted the map variant states:

View attachment 2240163

In the 1940s, H. P. Hood and Sons Dairy sponsored a radio station show that aired on WNAC (Boston) called "Six Bells" narrated by Edward Rowe Snow. The show focused on stories of pirates and buried treasure and I presume Snow discussed the Deadman's Island map. Oak Island Sage claims handwriting experts have determined the signature by Captain William Kidd on the map to be genuine, however, this is dubious at best and not a shred of evidence is provided. Who were these so-called experts? Secondly, if the map (or handwriting on it) was authenticated by historians or paleographers as by Kidd, why is there no scholarly literature that mentions this? Surely if experts examined and determined it was a genuine 17th century pirate treasure map signed by William Kidd - this would be extensively discussed in academic literature yet there is nothing. If you search for this Deadman's Island map allegedly drawn and signed by Captain Kidd you primarily find fringe/pseudohistorical literature and websites about Oak Island. Apparently there is an article about the map in LIFE magazine but I have been unable to find it. Regardless of the signature on the map, the style of the map does not look to be 17th century but like the Kidd-Palmer maps, much more modern and in the vein of Robert Louis Stevenson's fictional Treasure Island map (1883). The Deadman's Island map was very likely drawn in the early 20th century and the fact its provenance cannot be established before then speaks for itself.

Oak Island Sage claims that the island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is Oak Island but this is patently false. The main island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is clearly a different shape to Oak Island and there are numerous profound topographical differences. Oak Island Sage ignores all those. Suffice to say, he does not present a convincing reason to identify Deadman's Island as Oak Island (when they look dissimilar) and you might as well arbitrarily argue Deadman's Island is Ireland or Japan. He also fails to present any credible historical evidence Captain Kidd traveled to Oak Island despite repeatedly asserting this is "indisputable". His belief Kidd visited Oak Island is entirely based on the Deadman's Island map which he naively believes was drawn by Captain Kidd. Oak Island Sage goes on to claim not only did Kidd travel to Oak Island but other pirates including Henry Every set foot there to bury treasure, but again no evidence presented at all. Oak Island Sage further claims Every and Kidd met together on the island and were part of a "secret Oak Island project".

Overall, an awful book. Completely devoid of critical thinking; filled with evidence-free and improbable claims.

My rating 1/10.

I bought gjb’s book and found it to be total nonsense. No different than the tv show.

Based on your comments it appears oak island sage’s book is more of the same bs.

 

[gjb]

Based on Oak Island Sage's comment his book reproduces a map drawn and signed by Captain Kidd, I bought it on Kindle.

Apparently there is an article about the map in LIFE magazine but I have been unable to find it.

I mention both of the Deadman's Island maps in my first book (2013, see pages 155-158) with images of each, and include a reference to the article in LIFE in my bibliography:

Snow, Edward Rowe (1952) 'Red-Taped Gold', LIFE, July 21, 1952, Vol 3, No. 33

I assure you that it's there, as I have a copy of the magazine. The map is at the bottom of page 40. However, the article actually concerns Isle Haute and a supposed treasure map of Captain Edward Low, which is also reproduced in my book on page 104.

I hope this helps.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

You can read a free sample of Oak Island Treasure Revelations on Amazon.

The book is a rehash of the same old nonsense about Oak Island (Knights Templar, Captain Kidd, etc). Page 4 -

Hi Cryptid, Am I right in thinking that you have not actually read the book yet? Captain Kidd did sail to Oak Island, the book will show where his ship Adventure Prize anchored in Joudary Cove and what treasure he unloaded. I can promise you that this book is not in any a rehash. As for the Knights Templar connection I know very little about that subject but they may have stored their own treasures on Oak Island because the undersea level flood tunnel protection system provided an impregnable storage facility.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Cryptid1990]

I mention both of the Deadman's Island maps in my first book (2013, see pages 155-158) with images of each, and include a reference to the article in LIFE in my bibliography:

Snow, Edmund Rowe (1952) 'Red-Taped Gold', LIFE, July 21, 1952, Vol 3, No. 33

I assure you that it's there, as I have a copy of the magazine. The map is at the bottom of page 40. However, the article actually concerns Isle Haute and a supposed treasure map of Captain Edward Low, which is also reproduced in my book on page 104.

I hope this helps.

Thanks, appreciated. I actually have read the article about Isle Haute but missed page 40 since there is an advert page.

I don't see how this can be Oak Island, the resemblance is very slight:

Aside from the different shape and topography of the main island depicted on the map, the surrounding small islands and coastline are not a close match either. Look for example at the position of the coastline on the right. The map owner (Edward Rowe Snow) was familiar with Oak Island but sensibly appears to have not made that identification considering there is a remarkably poor resemblance between the two.

 

[freeman]

That's just the way Cocos Island was typically depicted as being 'the island' when illustrated in late 19th and early 20th century lost treasure stories.

 

[gold-dog]

My thoughts is it's a Soap opera. Long drawn out & boring I was done with it after 3 episodes

 

[Oak Island Sage]

I bought gjb’s book and found it to be total nonsense. No different than the tv show.

Based on your comments it appears oak island sage’s book is more of the same bs.

Based on Oak Island Sage's comment his book reproduces a map drawn and signed by Captain Kidd, I bought it on Kindle.


This map Oak Island Sage is referring to ("Deadman's Island") is already something I posted several months back in another thread.

A better quality variant of the same map exists:

View attachment 2240079

The original map was purchased by Edward Rowe Snow. It will be noted the map variant states:

View attachment 2240163

In the 1940s, H. P. Hood and Sons Dairy sponsored a radio station show that aired on WNAC (Boston) called "Six Bells" narrated by Edward Rowe Snow. The show focused on stories of pirates and buried treasure and I presume Snow discussed the Deadman's Island map. Oak Island Sage claims handwriting experts have determined the signature by Captain William Kidd on the map to be genuine, however, this is dubious at best and not a shred of evidence is provided. Who were these so-called experts? Secondly, if the map (or handwriting on it) was authenticated by historians or paleographers as by Kidd, why is there no scholarly literature that mentions this? Surely if experts examined and determined it was a genuine 17th century pirate treasure map signed by William Kidd - this would be extensively discussed in academic literature yet there is nothing. If you search for this Deadman's Island map allegedly drawn and signed by Captain Kidd you primarily find fringe/pseudohistorical literature and websites about Oak Island. Apparently there is an article about the map in LIFE magazine but I have been unable to find it. Regardless of the signature on the map, the style of the map does not look to be 17th century but like the Kidd-Palmer maps, much more modern and in the vein of Robert Louis Stevenson's fictional Treasure Island map (1883). The Deadman's Island map was very likely drawn in the early 20th century and the fact its provenance cannot be established before then speaks for itself.

Oak Island Sage claims that the island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is Oak Island but this is patently false. The main island depicted on the Deadman's Island map is clearly a different shape to Oak Island and there are numerous profound topographical differences. Oak Island Sage ignores all those. Suffice to say, he does not present a convincing reason to identify Deadman's Island as Oak Island (when they look dissimilar) and you might as well arbitrarily argue Deadman's Island is Ireland or Japan. He also fails to present any credible historical evidence Captain Kidd traveled to Oak Island despite repeatedly asserting this is "indisputable". His belief Kidd visited Oak Island is entirely based on the Deadman's Island map which he naively believes was drawn by Captain Kidd. Oak Island Sage goes on to claim not only did Kidd travel to Oak Island but other pirates including Henry Every set foot there to bury treasure, but again no evidence presented at all. Oak Island Sage further claims Every and Kidd met together on the island and were part of a "secret Oak Island project".

Overall, an awful book. Completely devoid of critical thinking; filled with evidence-free and improbable claims.

My rating 1/10.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Cryptid 1990 I Found your book review awful, defamitory, and petulant

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Cryptid 199O
So you rate my book 1/10, that would suggest that at least one thing justified your substantial investment with Kindle. I don't wish to respond to your post anymore because I found your remarks about me to be offensive to say the least. My theories can be questioned but my integrity cannot, you really should take more care about what you write about someone.

Yes I have based my Captain Kidd connection with Oak Island because in my view it is shown on the Deadman Island Map. I'm happy say that in my view this was Captain Kidd's last treasure map depicting Oak Island and was impetuously drawn by him personally when he was feeling dangerously overconfident that the two French Passes would prove his innocence. It was dated and signed by him and a rougher version of it was drawn by his quarter master John Ware.
The differences in the basic shape is because it was it basically drawn in their day without the aid of a birds eye view. There are actually many similarities to Oak Island and other places in Mahone Bay drawn on the map which I have personally viewed. I wonder if you have ever even been to Oak Island and talked at length with any of the treasure hunters as I have for many years.
I rate your petulant review as offensive and insufferably self opinionated.
0/10
Oak Island Sage

 

[Carl-NC]

Yes I have based my Captain Kidd connection with Oak Island because in my view it is shown on the Deadman Island Map.

Even if you assume the Deadmans Island map is real (and it doesn't look even remotely real), the island looks nothing like Oak Island and the mainland is shown to be east of the island, not west. So this can't possibly represent Oak Island.

Do you have any actual evidence (non-confidential, or course) to otherwise support your hypothesis? For example, hard evidence that Kidd visited Oak Island, or that Kidd teamed up with Avery, or that a massive repository was constructed on OI. Anything? Or is it all based on "probability"?

 

[gjb]

This continuing preoccupation with the ‘who’ of Oak Island just leaves me cold. I note that it’s a big thing with The Curse of Oak Island crew - maybe because they’ve got very little else to plug into.

What interests me is the ‘where’, because I sure as hell can’t convince myself that anyone sensible would put a treasure deep in the Money Pit, advertise its location to all comers then make it so that if anyone digs there it becomes near-impossible for anybody to recover it, including those who put it there.

Where’s the sense in that? So, if there’s a treasure on Oak Island it may well be somewhere else. Find the where and you’ve got the ‘what’, if it’s still there. This would provide clues as to the ‘who’ and ‘when’, and maybe even ‘how’ things were done.

Cerris’s thoughts cover not just the ‘who’ but also the ‘where’. That’s why he’s suggesting that the Laginas may well be advised to take note, though he doesn’t actually specify where to look in his book.

So, I’m not at all fussed about who he thinks did it, I’d like to know whether the Laginas are sufficiently convinced that it might be worthwhile testing what Cerris is suggesting concerning the ‘where’ of the matter. And that would mean looking and potentially digging, which is to say actually testing a new locational hypothesis.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Please provide factual evidence that some fantastical treasure was ever depositied on the island.

Without that, everything else is just the normal fiction about the island.

One premise in your book, the flood tunnels, has already been fully debunked by Dunfield with his digs

Hi TruthbeTold:
1/ The factual evidence is shown on the Deadmans Island map.
I have to disagree that Dunfield debunked flood tunnels, the huge excavation he did with a huge Clam Digger to find the location of the Money Pit was plagued by sea water entering from - flood tunnels.
On the Oak Island Treasure website on Dunfeild's demise his son came under came under intense fire for the massive damage his father had made during his search. I came to his sons aid and pointed out that if his father had found treasure he would be considered a hero all sins forgiven, also if it wasn't for him there would be no causeway.
Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

the huge excavation he did with a huge Clam Digger to find the location of the Money Pit

Old Sage,
The Dunfield dig was not to find treasure in the MP. The curved green line in attached diagram shows the outer circumference of his dig. This would place the center of his dig no where near the MP. So he was specifically looking for flood tunnels and after riding up and down in the bucket to view the pit walls, he concluded there was no evidence of flood tunnels.

The picture shows he was digging to the side of the CRIBBING of shafts near the MP that he planned to reuse had he had been able to shut off the flooding at its source.

What Dunfield DID proved which is overlooked,...the soil on Oak Island is not conducive for digging a 100ft deep shaft without cribbing. In a sense, that's exactly what he did when he dug his 100ft deep pit.
So if someone actually had dug 100ft to bury a treasure without cribbing, the boys wouldn't have seen a 13ft diameter indentation but rather something on the order of 75 ft or more.

It doesn't make sense that anyone would bury a treasure that deep in the first place. BUT...
Since there were only reports of log platforms and no structural CRIBBING, the depositors would have not only dug and cribbed a100ft shaft but also removed all the cribbing and replaced it with log platforms.

Really? I don't think so.

 

[chalkoutline]

The Dunfield dig was not to find treasure in the MP. The curved green line in attached diagram shows the outer circumference of his dig. This would place the center of his dig no where near the MP. So he was specifically looking for flood tunnels and after riding up and down in the bucket to view the pit walls, he concluded there was no evidence of flood tunnels.

The picture shows he was digging to the side of the CRIBBING of shafts near the MP that he planned to reuse had he had been able to shut off the flooding at its source.

What Dunfield DID proved which is overlooked,...the soil on Oak Island is not conducive for digging a 100ft deep shaft without cribbing. In a sense, that's exactly what he did when he dug his 100ft deep pit.
So if someone actually had dug 100ft to bury a treasure without cribbing, the boys wouldn't have seen a 13ft diameter indentation but rather something on the order of 75 ft or more.

It doesn't make sense that anyone would bury a treasure that deep in the first place. BUT...
Since there were only reports of log platforms and no structural CRIBBING, the depositors would have not only dug and cribbed a100ft shaft but also removed all the cribbing and replaced it with log platforms.

Really? I don't think so.

BTW, when the Onslow company dug in 1803, they had to use cribbing.

 

[Blak bart]

Everyone wondering where the treasure is....its right here on t-net in the form of these threads about a T.V. show !! Totally fascinating!! I've herd it all on these many different threads !! Continue on !! The thousands of pages dedicated to this show are a testament to the success of the show !! Not sure who is more passionate and dedicated....the haters, or the believers?? I kinda think the haters watch more than the believers Carefully scanning the show so they can report how stupid it is, but cant take there eyes off the show !! Either way everyone keeps marching on and choosing to spend tremendous amounts of there time both watching, analyzing, and then writing these long winded back and forth comments that are the sure sign they are hooked on this show !! If there were no forums, threads, and comments the hype would die, along with the shows ratings ? But you guys show every post just how huge the fan base is for this show !! Awsome work oak island groupies !! Rest assured wether i comment or not these threads have been super entertaining for all the wrong non treasure related reasons.....cant wait to waste time and read more of this stupid train wreck!!🍿🍿🍿🤣😂