'Deadman's Island' map hoax and Cerris Francis' claims debunked

[Carl-NC]

Carl-NC, You cannot sensibly compare a modern google map overlay or a satellite image with John Wares crude map of Deadman Island, he did not have the benefit of a birds eye view

Even in the late 17th century, it would take a mighty incompetent cartographer to get things that wrong. Not just the shape of the island (most notably, a completely missing South Shore Cove), but the surrounding islets and features. They are all plainly wrong.

But the most damning evidence is in the profile view. That is what you would literally see from the ship's deck. And it is completely wrong in every way. A mountain in the swamp!

and you also have to remember these various treasure maps had some misleading information deliberate included on them.

That's called an "alibi." You can use it to explain away every single discrepency, at least the ones you haven't explained with fanciful stories.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Sage, you know, virtual signaling goes both ways.

So, according to you, Cryptid reviewing the previous errors of dead authors claims in finding the truth is tarnishing the memory of someone long dead? That's how fundamentalists work in a belief that foundational scriptures are unquestioned literally true and immune to error. That being said, in context, dead writers' claims in their books cannot be in error. Good research constantly finds errors in past authors' claims in the past. It is by no means disrespectful of those authors, as they were limited in the research data available to them at the time.

Also, I, too, do not know why you feel the need to reference yourself as a Freemason.

Freemasonry is a secular fraternity that represents the principles of brotherly love, relief (charity), and truth. Rooted in the traditions of medieval stonemason guilds, it uses the allegory of building to teach its members how to lead moral, honest, and charitable lives. Nothing wrong with those principles. You do not have to be in a fraternity to be of high moral character. But sadly, some people hide their true character behind the veil of freemasonry for their own self-interests.

Clearly, you have disingenuously exploited the values of freemasonry to give yourself some sort of credibility to promote and flog your book. ( I can show the link, but it's advertising, not allowed here ) under expectations that it gives you some sort of credentials for your claims in your book being true. It does not work that way. Credibility is earned by presenting the facts with evidence. You came here expecting everyone not to question your unproven claims, presenting zero credible supporting evidence. If you had presented credible evidence, I would be the first here to pat you on the back. And give congratulations to you as well as many others here.

Cryptid has presented evidence proven your claims incorrect. Yet the only retort you can provide here is that you are now lecturing and virtue signaling to Cryptid about finding errors with dead authors' research? Rather ironic when you are in breach of the Freemason moral code on truth and honesty. Being not honest with yourself and admitting that your claims have been proven incorrect time and time again. Everyone here loves treasure legends, and if they didn't, they would not be here. No shame in having a theory or attempting to write a book, either; in fact, your effort to have a go is admirable. Yet there is shame in cementing oneself into a theory, and then blindly refusing to face the blatant facts is just foolhardy.

Crow

As Edward Rowe Snow said: "The real money in treasure hunting wasn’t in finding treasure but in publishing books about the hunt". I won't provide links (not to breach rules on advertising) but Francis' book (Oak Island Treasure Revelations) is on his site for £28 (!) for a hardback.

 

[Carl-NC]

It may be significant that the area which we are told is modern-day Meisner Point is labeled on the maps “Logwood” or “Where ye Spaniards cut logwood”. Logwood is one of the common names for Haematoxylum Campecheanum, a flowering tropical tree native to Central America and Southern Mexico. Cutting and.stealing logwood, the source of a valuable dyestuff, was a common activity among British pirates of the 17th century. (See logwood on Wikipedia to learn more about this.) Being familiar with logwood and its value, it seems likely that if a 17th century pirate said “logwood “ he meant “logwood “ , not “wood logs” or any other strained interpretation of the phrase. Logwood tree, as I said, are native to tropical Mexico. They do not grow in Nova Scotia and it seems unlikely that a map that shows them as reference points could be showing Oak Island.

Sage, how did you miss this in all your research? If one were to apply Occam's Razor instead of Goldberg's Proliferation, this explanation makes far more sense. The "earliest" of the maps simply says "Logwood," no mention of Spaniards. Why identify a particular place as "logwood" unless it was a fairly unique feature in the area. And trees were abundant everywhere.

 

[BAW]

Another detail which may be of significance is that what is referred to as the “original “ or “unembellished” map is said to have been “a parchment “ which was authenticated by experts through the watermark it bore. If they were truly experts, one would think that they would have known that watermarks are applied to paper during its manufacture but are not and cannot be applied to parchment. A few minutes research on the subjects “parchment” and “watermarks “ will make it abundantly clear that it is impossible for a piece of parchment to have a watermark. If it does it is not parchment, but paper. I do not know that this is an insuperable objection, but it certainly shows carelessness and a lack of understanding on someone’s part.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Another detail which may be of significance is that what is referred to as the “original “ or “unembellished” map is said to have been “a parchment “ which was authenticated by experts through the watermark it bore. If they were truly experts, one would think that they would have known that watermarks are applied to paper during its manufacture but are not and cannot be applied to parchment. A few minutes research on the subjects “parchment” and “watermarks “ will make it abundantly clear that it is impossible for a piece of parchment to have a watermark. If it does it is not parchment, but paper. I do not know that this is an insuperable objection, but it certainly shows carelessness and a lack of understanding on someone’s part.

To all you guys on this website who rely using AI , Wikipedia or reading any old books that you can get your hands on. You happily share information between you all and that's fine, if that's all you want. But the truth is unless you're trying to get information for your next book you are just trying to fill your possibly boring lives with something interesting. You secure the feeling of importance you crave when you post something on this website.
Then along comes this old guy from England and spoils the party saying things he won't prove and share and that's irritating for the flock. So first you all attack his theories included in his book, then you cast doubts on the characters of deceased authors. You then attack the Deadman Island map in spite a the fact that these things drawn on the signed map and the surrounding islands - are still there.

Not one of you was willing to consider that the old guy was right on the money, no because the flock might attack you for doing that, new viewers must wonder what the hell was/is going on.
The Captain Kidd and/or Oak Island subjects on this fine website will never change whilst the controlling flock has blinkered vision, they have no intention of deviating from the rules of provenance or evidence. Anyone who reads my book can check up on what I have said happened, there are more things in it that are considered first than any other book that has ever been written before or since, it is not another rehash. Consider first Captain Kidd's action in alerting the Island of St Thomas (Danish) located in the Leeward Islands, and then the Caribbean Sea to an imminent French invasion and subsequently saving thousands of lives in all the Colonies. Then his valiant action his leading a successful attack on a superior French fleet and winning the Battle of St Martins Island, for those two achievements alone Captain William Kidd should have been Knighted by the King.
But no you guys in the flock just continue to pat each other on the back and don't rock the boat, in reality the bottom line is it's all you can have to nurse your ego's. I tried to blaze a trail for people like those in the flock to have a safe path, if they deviate from that they are lost. I have never asked to be believed by anyone only that people remember that I told them first.
Unless I receive a lot of support now I have no wish any longer to argue on any related subject with armchair doubters, believe what you want now.
The Deadman Island island Map was drawn and signed by Captain Willian Kidd in 1699 on velum not paper, and he did sail there once to the Jetty in Joudary Cove Oak Island. If you don't agree with any of that, tough but that's way it is.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Cryptid1990]

Another detail which may be of significance is that what is referred to as the “original “ or “unembellished” map is said to have been “a parchment “ which was authenticated by experts through the watermark it bore. If they were truly experts, one would think that they would have known that watermarks are applied to paper during its manufacture but are not and cannot be applied to parchment. A few minutes research on the subjects “parchment” and “watermarks “ will make it abundantly clear that it is impossible for a piece of parchment to have a watermark. If it does it is not parchment, but paper. I do not know that this is an insuperable objection, but it certainly shows carelessness and a lack of understanding on someone’s part.

Excellent find. I missed that myself.

 

[Carl-NC]

Unless I receive a lot of support now I have no wish any longer to argue on any related subject with armchair doubters, believe what you want now.

Translation: "I cannot back up my claims, nor refute yours."

Sage, how does vellum have a watermark?

 

[releventchair]

To all you guys on this website who rely using AI , Wikipedia or reading any old books that you can get your hands on. You happily share information between you all and that's fine, if that's all you want. But the truth is unless you're trying to get information for your next book you are just trying to fill your possibly boring lives with something interesting. You secure the feeling of importance you crave when you post something on this website.
Then along comes this old guy from England and spoils the party saying things he won't prove and share and that's irritating for the flock. So first you all attack his theories included in his book, then you cast doubts on the characters of deceased authors. You then attack the Deadman Island map in spite a the fact that these things drawn on the signed map and the surrounding islands - are still there.

Not one of you was willing to consider that the old guy was right on the money, no because the flock might attack you for doing that, new viewers must wonder what the hell was/is going on.
The Captain Kidd and/or Oak Island subjects on this fine website will never change whilst the controlling flock has blinkered vision, they have no intention of deviating from the rules of provenance or evidence. Anyone who reads my book can check up on what I have said happened, there are more things in it that are considered first than any other book that has ever been written before or since, it is not another rehash. Consider first Captain Kidd's action in alerting the Island of St Thomas (Danish) located in the Leeward Islands, and then the Caribbean Sea to an imminent French invasion and subsequently saving thousands of lives in all the Colonies. Then his valiant action his leading a successful attack on a superior French fleet and winning the Battle of St Martins Island, for those two achievements alone Captain William Kidd should have been Knighted by the King.
But no you guys in the flock just continue to pat each other on the back and don't rock the boat, in reality the bottom line is it's all you can have to nurse your ego's. I tried to blaze a trail for people like those in the flock to have a safe path, if they deviate from that they are lost. I have never asked to be believed by anyone only that people remember that I told them first.
Unless I receive a lot of support now I have no wish any longer to argue on any related subject with armchair doubters, believe what you want now.
The Deadman Island island Map was drawn and signed by Captain Willian Kidd in 1699 on velum not paper, and he did sail there once to the Jetty in Joudary Cove Oak Island. If you don't agree with any of that, tough but that's way it is.

Oak Island Sage

[Oak Island Treasure Revelations is nonfiction in genre but fictionalized in content—it reads like a treasure-hunt memoir with a strong speculative component, similar to other self-published Oak Island books that mix verified history with personal theories]

"To all you guys on this website who rely using AI , Wikipedia or reading any old books that you can get your hands on."
Gee. You don't know anyone like that do you? L.o.l..
Could you possibly be any more hypocritical?
You must have paid good money to dodge being published as 100% fiction by claiming being historical instead... (As if historical speculation differs. )But hey that's what publishers are for.

Wait , you who chastised others for considering old books ; have done what yourself with old books?
Oh you found not old book ;s but rare books. That's different. Were they actually factual (NON Fiction) or speculative?

[ I have first explored the possibility of a secret partnership between Captain Henry Every and Captain William Kidd, and in my view it is quite feasible. There were definitely some windows of opportunity for this theory to have occurred. By assembling known facts that I discovered in rare books and following my own theories based on logic and probability I assembled clues like a detective. In my book I give my honest opinion of what I believe really happened in the sixteenth century]

Definitely windows! Indeed.
Avery may have danced with Augustus the strong and arm wrestled Queene Anne before she was queen and taught the Shogun T.T. how to paint too. After all ; windows certainly existed.

 

[Red-Coat]

Translation: "I cannot back up my claims, nor refute yours."

Sage, how does vellum have a watermark?

Just to add to your body of evidence, although true animal vellum cannot be watermarked, there was an imitation of it known as 'paper vellum' made from plant fibres that can be (and was) watermarked. However, it was first manufactured by the Montgolfier brothers in 1777.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Just to add to your body of evidence, although true animal vellum cannot be watermarked, there was an imitation of it known as 'paper vellum' made from plant fibres that can be (and was) watermarked. However, it was first manufactured by the Montgolfier brothers in 1777.

Useful information. This does not help Oak Island Sage since the parchment map has a date written in ink on it: 1699.

 

[Cryptid1990]

Anyone who reads my book can check up on what I have said happened, there are more things in it that are considered first than any other book that has ever been written before or since, it is not another rehash.

This is a baffling claim considering your book is primarily rehashing far-fetched/pseudoarchaeological ideas about Oak Island:

1. Your book starts with the assumption there is a treasure buried (concealed underground) on Oak Island.
2. Your book links this treasure (for which there is no evidence) to Captain Kidd and/or Captain Avery.
3. Your book argues this treasure could have come from the Knights Templar.
4. Your book argues Captain Kidd traveled to Oak Island.
5. Your book argues for manmade underground vaults where treasure was transported and hidden on Oak Island.

These evidence-free ideas have been around for many decades.

None of this is original and is clearly a rehash. I have read a large number of pseudoarchaeology books that espouse extreme fringe ideas about Oak Island, and I found very little difference between yours and what the others are saying (see 1-5 above).

I guess my only complement is you are not trying to link Oak Island to William Shakespeare.

I have never asked to be believed by anyone only that people remember that I told them first.

Told them what exactly? I bought and read your book and could not find a fresh idea or new hypothesis in it.

 

[releventchair]

A.I. has an interesting take on the subject.

[Cerris Francis — Writer Alias​

Cerris Francis is the pen name used by an English researcher and author who has written extensively about the enigmatic Oak Island, Nova Scotia, and its alleged treasure history. The name appears on the cover and in the credits of her book Oak Island Treasure Revelations, where she presents theories about the island’s 17th‑century treasure operations, including a proposed secret partnership between Captain Henry Every and Captain William Kidd

Francis describes herself as someone who, as a child, dreamed of finding hidden treasure and later became fascinated by Oak Island after reading about it in Reader’s Digest and rare historical works . She has visited the island in 2002 and met with notable figures in the treasure hunting community, including Dan Blankenship.

Her work is part of a long tradition of Oak Island literature, but she claims her book offers new revelations — such as a CAD illustration of the island’s subterranean flood tunnel system, Captain Kidd’s alleged last signed treasure map, and the “Secret Jetty” where a treasure‑laden ship may have anchored TreasureNet. She has also discussed her theories in online forums, where she identifies herself as “the author Cerris Francis (Oak Island Treasure Revelations)” TreasureNet.

In short, Cerris Francis is the pseudonym adopted by this researcher for her Oak Island treasure‑related writings, and it is the name under which her book and related claims are published.]

 

[Cryptid1990]

Well, nothing wrong with using a pen name. The etymology of Cerris is "kind of oak". A coincidence? The opening pages of his book does mention another name but to respect privacy (and the fact he did not mention it himself on this forum) I will not repeat it. On the other hand, the AI could be wrong about the pseudonym. More importantly though it appears to be wrong about the "new revelations":

new revelations — such as a CAD illustration of the island’s subterranean flood tunnel system, Captain Kidd’s alleged last signed treasure map, and the “Secret Jetty” where a treasure‑laden ship

There any many drawings of hypothetical "subterranean tunnel systems" on Oak Island in other books. Nothing new there. A reproduction of "Captain Kidd' alleged last signed treasure map" first appeared in LIFE magazine in 1952 and a much better quality image was published by Geoff Bath (Cerris credits Bath in his book) so nothing new there either. The "Secret Jetty" thing is described in his book as "a platform of planks placed on top of a long wall-like structure of boulders." Hardly some sort of "revelation" and it is not mentioned many times.

Despite my criticisms of Oak Island Sage, I should point out he respectfully gives credit to his sources (like Bath providing him an image of the Deadman Island map) and respects the intellectual property of other contemporary creators. So there is no problem there.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

A.I. has an interesting take on the subject.

[Cerris Francis — Writer Alias​

Cerris Francis is the pen name used by an English researcher and author who has written extensively about the enigmatic Oak Island, Nova Scotia, and its alleged treasure history. The name appears on the cover and in the credits of her book Oak Island Treasure Revelations, where she presents theories about the island’s 17th‑century treasure operations, including a proposed secret partnership between Captain Henry Every and Captain William Kidd.

Francis describes herself as someone who, as a child, dreamed of finding hidden treasure and later became fascinated by Oak Island after reading about it in Reader’s Digest and rare historical works . She has visited the island in 2002 and met with notable figures in the treasure hunting community, including Dan Blankenship .

Her work is part of a long tradition of Oak Island literature, but she claims her book offers new revelations — such as a CAD illustration of the island’s subterranean flood tunnel system, Captain Kidd’s alleged last signed treasure map, and the “Secret Jetty” where a treasure‑laden ship may have anchored TreasureNet. She has also discussed her theories in online forums, where she identifies herself as “the author Cerris Francis (Oak Island Treasure Revelations)” TreasureNet.

In short, Cerris Francis is the pseudonym adopted by this researcher for her Oak Island treasure‑related writings, and it is the name under which her book and related claims are published.]

A.I. has an interesting take on the subject.

[Cerris Francis — Writer Alias​

Cerris Francis is the pen name used by an English researcher and author who has written extensively about the enigmatic Oak Island, Nova Scotia, and its alleged treasure history. The name appears on the cover and in the credits of her book Oak Island Treasure Revelations, where she presents theories about the island’s 17th‑century treasure operations, including a proposed secret partnership between Captain Henry Every and Captain William Kidd .

Francis describes herself as someone who, as a child, dreamed of finding hidden treasure and later became fascinated by Oak Island after reading about it in Reader’s Digest and rare historical works . She has visited the island in 2002 and met with notable figures in the treasure hunting community, including Dan Blankenship .

Her work is part of a long tradition of Oak Island literature, but she claims her book offers new revelations — such as a CAD illustration of the island’s subterranean flood tunnel system, Captain Kidd’s alleged last signed treasure map, and the “Secret Jetty” where a treasure‑laden ship may have anchored TreasureNet. She has also discussed her theories in online forums, where she identifies herself as “the author Cerris Francis (Oak Island Treasure Revelations)” TreasureNet.

In short, Cerris Francis is the pseudonym adopted by this researcher for her Oak Island treasure‑related writings, and it is the name under which her book and related claims are published.]

Hi relevantchair, you arrogantly claim to know so much about me and my book, so how come the picture of me in it which clearly shows I am a male has confused you?

I am English but my parents named me Cerris which is actually a Welsh first name for a welsh man, there is a different spelling for the females which I think is spelt Keris.

By the way Geoff Bath has met me and can vouch for my gender. Don't bother to apologise, we all make mistakes said the near sighted hedge hog who jumped on a scrubbing brush.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Hi relevantchair, you arrogantly claim to know so much about me and my book, so how come the picture of me in it which clearly shows I am a male has confused you?

I am English but my parents named me Cerris which is actually a Welsh first name for a welsh man, there is a different name for the females which I think is spelt Keris.

By the way Geoff Bath has met me and can vouch for my gender. Don't bother to apologise, we all make mistakes said the near sighted hedge hog who jumped on a scrubbing brush.

Oak Island Sage

Hi guys. I don't know if any you guys think that making critical and disparaging remarks about me, or my book will make me give things away but I can assure you that won't work with me.
I understand your frustrations but you're seriously backing the wrong horse, you can support Cryptid1990 all you want but he is not a winner, in fact he is in my view a non starter just grasping at straws. I have no interest in watermarks myself because I know (for the reasons I have previously explained) that the signed version of Deadman Island map was drawn, dated, and signed by Captain William Kidd.

The best advice I can give you all is to independently check out the things I've said yourself, and don't be in a hurry to share it with the usual naysayers.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Carl-NC]

you can support Cryptid1990 all you want but he is not a winner

Sage, do you think @Cryptid1990 did pretty good detective work at finding the Rainbow Island map?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Posts edited for rule violations.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Sage, do you think @Cryptid1990 did pretty good detective work at finding the Rainbow Island map?

Hi Carl-NC, Are you serious! the Rainbow Island map!!! , 😆 that made me spill my coffie. The phrase "The blind leading the blind " about sums the situation here.

There are only two maps that are important, the China Sea Map and the signed Deadman Island map, the first is 90% full of misleading information the second about 10%.
I am not going to argue with you on anything, you believe what you want, but for the sake of others reading this I will explain the facts as I see them.

On the signed Deadman Island map there is in profile what appears to be drawn as a mountain, I have already said that the bank of earth the runs 300ft along the bottom of the triangular pond was the highest level in the central area, tall fir trees may have also grown on it making it appear even higher when viewed from a distance.
Now neither Kidd or Ware were expert map makers or even needed to be, it was drawn on velum placed on a table, and it was created from memory without the benefit of a birds eye view.
The Deadman Island map is based on their combined impression with regards to the overall shape of how the island looked in their time. You cannot compare a satellite image to an antique hand draw map and expect a perfect match, if the surrounding islands were drawn in the precise positions the actual treasure map would have to be huge.
The mainland coastline with Meisner Point is ten miles to the east of Oak Island across Mahone Bay, and it was only intended as additional information to show a distant source of logs. This Spanish store of cut logs were to be stolen and used in the construction great subterranean network of flood tunnels beneath Oak Island, not to make dye.
To reiterate I tried my best to lead people in the right direction, if they are to be constantly led astray by someone like Cryptid1990, and his supporting flock then I can't help them.
There are good writers and researchers here for sure but unfortunately some of them have blinkered vision, if they can't have evidence and/or provenance of something they are not much interested in any hypothesis. This is attitude precisely why the treasure of Oak Island was not retrieved by me in around 2002, and that reason partially applies even today. This persistent dogmatic attitude constitutes the real "Curse of Oak Island", and if the present searchers don't call me very soon the treasure will probably never be found.

Oak Island Sage

 

[releventchair]

[ the facts as I see them]
Right. Meaning facts you see that are not supported by fact.

[ neither Kidd or Ware were expert map makers or even needed to be, it was drawn on velum placed on a table, and it was created from memory without the benefit of a birds eye view.]

Allegedly Kidd signed one. As opposed to the second Ware unsigned one. Nothing suspicious there. Well a water mark perhaps. The Deadman map was a Collaboration of Kidd and Ware on a table says you. Key word table?
You saw them draw both maps or is it the unproven improved facts as you envision them yet again?

John Ware – Pirate | Ware

 

[releventchair]

Hi relevantchair, you arrogantly claim to know so much about me and my book, so how come the picture of me in it which clearly shows I am a male has confused you?

I am English but my parents named me Cerris which is actually a Welsh first name for a welsh man, there is a different spelling for the females which I think is spelt Keris.

By the way Geoff Bath has met me and can vouch for my gender. Don't bother to apologise, we all make mistakes said the near sighted hedge hog who jumped on a scrubbing brush.

Oak Island Sage

You can put whatever you want up for pictures. It's your unproven story.
If you disagree with the article describing your alias ; you should take it up with the author. Not my circus. It's just what comes up in an alias review.
My review would read ; loosely based on even looser claims.